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[tmp7704]

Saibh wrote...

I'm talking about women in Ferelden, as if they were in the army and wearing stock armor like you'd loot off a dead woman's corpse. Ser Cauthrien's, since you asked.

But as far as i can tell there's no "stock armour" in Ferelden, and certainly no such thing as stock heavy/massive armour -- even the item descriptions (helmets in particular) mention the prohibitive cost and how such items are "investments into career of a soldier" made by individual in question. If you see Ser Cauthrien in heavy armour, she has very likely --just like every other officer-- had it ordered for herself, paid with her wages and while at it, made to fit her figure.
 

The metal cutting to fit around the breasts would offer no extra support, and would be done with the cloth or leather worn beneath the armor. As such, it would be easier to forge smaller armor then it would be to hammer out boobs. Sure it looks good, but I can't think of a reason to make it like that other than to declare I R WOMAN!

I don't think whether it's easier or harder is a concern of the armour owner -- they pay and expect the results, everything beyond that is the problem of the armoursmith. And it's not like a couple of extra curved pieces are making much of difference for the smith either, considering the whole armour is made of lot of curved pieces as it is. Even if you don't shape chest piece around the breasts it's still a curve after all, just different.

As for why do it -- because when we stop getting all excited that it's zomg boobs, it's part of the body just like any other, with its own shape that should to be taken into account. If the rest of the armour is made to conform to shape of shoulders, back, thighs and whathaveyou there's no reason why the chest would be treated any different. And it's more comfortable and practical to have armour shaped in a manner which then allows the breasts to rest naturally (meaning the armour can also double as very effective "sport bra" of sorts limiting any extra movement, quite helpful) than have to put up with extra binding and having then to run potentially for hours in such manner because the idiot armoursmith didn't make accomodations even though they could have done that.

In other words, it's not to declare the owner is a woman but because the owner is a woman and does have body shape different from a man. And it deserves exactly the same attentive treatment the men get when they have armour made for them. Rather than being forced into form unnatural for it because the smith is lazy or because otherwise someone could actually notice that it isn't a man in that armour.

edit: thinking of it some more, the extra curves on the chest may actually provide another benefit -- reinforcing the armour in that areas where individual curves meet, similar how fluting does it, and also increasing chance to deflect the arrows given the angles change more abruptly.

Modifié par tmp7704, 30 août 2010 - 05:03 .

[Zjarcal]

Saibh wrote...

Oh, I'm just saying when you're particularly asked, it doesn't seem like you can offer an opinion that doesn't either earn or lose approval, or at least is very vague. In a roleplay situation, you could certainly imagine that you were saving the people you grew up with whilst hating on the templars, but it didn't seem like you could say to Wynne "why can't we be free to live our own life?" or something similar.

I could simply be forgetting, though.

Ohhh, yeah, I see your point there.

Actually I think the whole game in general could've used some major tweaking when it comes to letting you choose a middle ground. Like with Wynne, when you meet her at the tower, it's either take her with you or kill her. Because I just can't stand taking her with me again, I end up killing her, but it feels like a completely OOC decision. Why couldn't we just tell her to stay behind? Okay, there is an option to tell her that and like the stubborn lady she is, she'll insist that she's coming along. Well, give us an option to knock her out instead, without killing her!

Wynne's dialogue is another example. I feel that from the player's perspective, the dialogue is terrible. You can either agree that she's the fountain of wisdom or blow her off in a juvenile way. This made her conversations very frustrating for me.

Another funny one, if you're a blood mage, you don't have the option to defend blood magic in conversations. You actually get all the "anti-blood magic" dialogue choices even if you are a blood mage. Kind of hypocritical don't you think?

Let's hope there are more vague or neutral dialogue options in DA2.

And to stay on topic, rah-rah Lady Hawke! 

[Riona45]

Zjarcal wrote...
Wynne's dialogue is another example. I feel that from the player's perspective, the dialogue is terrible. You can either agree that she's the fountain of wisdom or blow her off in a juvenile way. This made her conversations very frustrating for me.

Well, like I said before, you can disagree with her and not lose any approval for doing so.   

[HighMoon]

Okay, so I was bored... but I'm done now! I swear... no more bad photoshops from me. At least not ones I'm going to post here.

[Riona45]

Haha, those are funny!

[Zjarcal]

Riona45 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
Wynne's dialogue is another example. I feel that from the player's perspective, the dialogue is terrible. You can either agree that she's the fountain of wisdom or blow her off in a juvenile way. This made her conversations very frustrating for me.

Well, like I said before, you can disagree with her and not lose any approval for doing so.   

It's not about approval points. I don't care about that. It's the actual dialogue choices which I feel weren't properly fleshed out.

But I'm not gonna turn the Lady Hawke thread into the Wynnie the Poo 3.0 thread.

Wynnie the Poo 1.0

Wynnie the Poo 2.0

[Riona45]

Zjarcal wrote...

It's not about approval points. I don't care about that. It's the actual dialogue choices which I feel weren't properly fleshed out.

I understand that, but I still think the Wynne conversations had room for variety.  Not trying to defend Wynne overmuch (for example, her original instance on the PC being a "celibate hero" is annoying), just telling you what I experienced.

[Celticon]

MariSkep wrote...

Celticon wrote...

MariSkep wrote...
And why exactly was Morrigan so happy with me saying that? She's maleficar too.

Slightly more on topic, here's hoping this wheel thingy prevents similar situations between Hawke, Bethany and whoever else is accompanying us.

Not all apostates/witches are maleficars.

Morrigan and Flemeth are most definitely maleficar as both practice blood magic, frequently hunt and kill Templars and have 'rejected the Maker.' They've basically broken every 'commandment' of the Maker.

If I'm not mistaken, they're shapeshifters, not blood mages.

[ErichHartmann]

I tolerated Wynne, but she felt like an overbearing parent or teacher.  Too much lecturing! :innocent:

[Saibh]

tmp7704 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I'm talking about women in Ferelden, as if they were in the army and wearing stock armor like you'd loot off a dead woman's corpse. Ser Cauthrien's, since you asked.

But as far as i can tell there's no "stock armour" in Ferelden, and certainly no such thing as stock heavy/massive armour -- even the item descriptions (helmets in particular) mention the prohibitive cost and how such items are "investments into career of a soldier" made by individual in question. If you see Ser Cauthrien in heavy armour, she has very likely --just like every other officer-- had it ordered for herself, paid with her wages and while at it, made to fit her figure.
 

The metal cutting to fit around the breasts would offer no extra support, and would be done with the cloth or leather worn beneath the armor. As such, it would be easier to forge smaller armor then it would be to hammer out boobs. Sure it looks good, but I can't think of a reason to make it like that other than to declare I R WOMAN!

I don't think whether it's easier or harder is a concern of the armour owner -- they pay and expect the results, everything beyond that is the problem of the armoursmith. And it's not like a couple of extra curved pieces are making much of difference for the smith either, considering the whole armour is made of lot of curved pieces as it is. Even if you don't shape chest piece around the breasts it's still a curve after all, just different.

As for why do it -- because when we stop getting all excited that it's zomg boobs, it's part of the body just like any other, with its own shape that should to be taken into account. If the rest of the armour is made to conform to shape of shoulders, back, thighs and whathaveyou there's no reason why the chest would be treated any different. And it's more comfortable and practical to have armour shaped in a manner which then allows the breasts to rest naturally (meaning the armour can also double as very effective "sport bra" of sorts limiting any extra movement, quite helpful) than have to put up with extra binding and having then to run potentially for hours in such manner because the idiot armoursmith didn't make accomodations even though they could have done that.

In other words, it's not to declare the owner is a woman but because the owner is a woman and does have body shape different from a man. And it deserves exactly the same attentive treatment the men get when they have armour made for them. Rather than being forced into form unnatural for it because the smith is lazy or because otherwise someone could actually notice that it isn't a man in that armour.

edit: thinking of it some more, the extra curves on the chest may actually provide another benefit -- reinforcing the armour in that areas where individual curves meet, similar how fluting does it, and also increasing chance to deflect the arrows given the angles change more abruptly.

I'll yield. I couldn't argue this topic too much, since I've never forged anything in my life that wasn't a wire stick figure for art class.

[Spawny]

MariSkep wrote...

Flemeth is an abomination and the ritual Morrigan performs is a blood magic ritual. A ritual which she has known the entire time (or learned from her mother's grimoire) and definitely planned to use at some point.

But doesn't she say  "Some people would call it blood magic"? She never really comes right out and says what it is. I'm persuming that if it was she would call it so as she knows the different schools of magic. Her mother no doubt uses it since she is an abomination but Morigan appears to not of known this until finding the book which makes me think she does not use it but uses something a lot like it at the end. It's really a bit of a mystery

Modifié par HagSpawn, 30 août 2010 - 05:53 .

[Riona45]

HagSpawn wrote...

But dosen't she say  "Some people would call it blood magic"? She never really comes right out and says what it is.

You're right, but I don't think it's a huge leap to assume it is what the Chantry would define as blood magic (otherwise why make such a comment?).

[Spawny]

Yes that is just it, they would assume it was, but she doesn't call it that and considering she couldn't give two flying rats for the chantry I don't think she would care if that is what it was and calling it so. Uh...did that make sense? babble mode is on.

Modifié par HagSpawn, 30 août 2010 - 05:54 .

[Riona45]

HagSpawn wrote...

Yes that is just it, they would assume it was, but she doesn't call it that and considering she couldn't give two flying rats for the chantry I don't think she would care if that is what it was and calling it so. Uh...did that make sense? babble mode is on.

Well, she states plainly that she doesn't care, saying "but that's just a name."  I think you may have missed my point, but it's not that important and I'll let it go.

[Spawny]

Yeah I probably did Riona, I do that sometimes sorry I did just re-read what you said. I don't remember the bit about the just a name comment so I must pay attention at the end of this play through.

[Riona45]

HagSpawn wrote...

Yeah I probably did Riona, I do that sometimes sorry 

Or I just wasn't clear enough.  But whatever.

[ErichHartmann]

All this talk of magic!  Nobody wants to be a pure warrior and bash some skulls in?

[Riona45]

ErichHartmann wrote...

All this talk of magic!  Nobody wants to be a pure warrior and bash some skulls in?

Not in DA2, no. 

[Spawny]

Oh I enjoy whacking people up the side of the head with a two handed sword just as much but I must admit I'm having a bit of a roll on the mages of late trying to use spells I wouldn't normally. And believe me if blood mage is still an option in DA2 my L'Hawke is going there!

[Riona45]

I've played a pure warrior many a time, but overall mages are my preference.

[Never]

ErichHartmann wrote...

All this talk of magic!  Nobody wants to be a pure warrior and bash some skulls in?

Me me me! Rogue, warrior, and eventually mage. That's how my playthroughs of any game usually go. If such classes are available of course...

[Saibh]

MariSkep wrote...

 Yeah late night posting and drinking!



No idea how realistic this one is but I plan to use it as inspiration for a future fem warrior Hawke. Monster head and all. She'll keep it as a reminder of what it cost her to get to where she is.

That...honestly looks male to me. Severely so.