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[nhsk]

I don't want to begin a major conversation over where it is happening as it inappropriate for a board dedicated to DA2 and not everything else, but I can rephrase it to a more unsubtle way.



I'm tired of listening to people whine over gay rights and wanting gay people everywhere, not just in DA2. And yes, I do have some gay friends and aquintances that think the same. But enough of that for this board.

[Semyaza82]

nhsk wrote...

I don't want to begin a major conversation over where it is happening as it inappropriate for a board dedicated to DA2 and not everything else, but I can rephrase it to a more unsubtle way.

I'm tired of listening to people whine over gay rights and wanting gay people everywhere, not just in DA2. And yes, I do have some gay friends and aquintances that think the same. But enough of that for this board.

I agree that this board is not the place for a major discussion on gay rights, the place of homosexuals in society etc.
However, i don't think thats means asking for clarification on a hugely ambiguous statement is an invitation for one. I might well be coming across as an A hole here, but honestly i'm not just being pedantic - i really don't know what you mean by phrases like "wanting gay people everywhere". Who wants gay people everywhere? In what sense? Seriously, i don't know what you mean.

p.s. If you're tired of hearing people 'whine over gay rights' think how tired they are of having to ask for them.

[0rz0]

If you're on the pc it's pretty easy to get a mod that unlocks the romances for everyone. So I think it's more sensible to keep love interests' interests within their character designs.

[ErichHartmann]

0rz0 wrote...

If you're on the pc it's pretty easy to get a mod that unlocks the romances for everyone. So I think it's more sensible to keep love interests' interests within their character designs.

Funny part is Morrigan still refers to my female warden as a man!

[Semyaza82]

0rz0 wrote...

If you're on the pc it's pretty easy to get a mod that unlocks the romances for everyone. So I think it's more sensible to keep love interests' interests within their character designs.

Sadly my PC died before i fully got to experience the joys of modding so i was limited to the Xbox version

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

ErichHartmann wrote...

0rz0 wrote...

If you're on the pc it's pretty easy to get a mod that unlocks the romances for everyone. So I think it's more sensible to keep love interests' interests within their character designs.

Funny part is Morrigan still refers to my female warden as a man!

Yeah, the limits of voice acting really unless you piece together sound files from the rest of the dialogue. Through some heroic efforts have been made like in the mod to revive the scene David Gaider did with Aimo in the short web comic, giving dialogue to Alistair and Morrigan about the Dark Ritual. It's a pretty good work in progress and adds a deeply missing element to her character.

Tone, timing, word choice are sadly luxuries though that even the best modders can't create out of thin air for any pieced together dialogue. So....some romance options can be "fixed" but they are a sloppy fix in modding.

Modifié par Ryllen Laerth Kriel, 24 août 2010 - 11:12 .

[Akka le Vil]

Oh, God, again.

Isn't this subject just cyclingly being posted once every week ?



I've nothing against gay romance, but seriously, the more there is, the more it's asked for. Hello, there is about 10 % homosexual people in the population at best, having more than half of the party going steam and sails is going to feel completely tacked on and weird. Heck, even having half the party romanceable at all starts to feel a bit curious.



I already somehow dislike the "too perfect distribution" of romances (1 straight and 1 bi for each sex), it feels rather artificial. I'd like to have believable settings and character, not a "romance free-for-all" bonanza making no sense.



*old geezer mode*

We were happy to simply have some romance at all back in the days ! Having "automatic" romances included everywhere, with calculated distribution, remove quite a bit of the surprise, immersion and discovery.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Oh, God, again.
Isn't this subject just cyclingly being posted once every week ?

I've nothing against gay romance, but seriously, the more there is, the more it's asked for. Hello, there is about 10 % homosexual people in the population at best, having more than half of the party going steam and sails is going to feel completely tacked on and weird. Heck, even having half the party romanceable at all starts to feel a bit curious.

I already somehow dislike the "too perfect distribution" of romances (1 straight and 1 bi for each sex), it feels rather artificial. I'd like to have believable settings and character, not a "romance free-for-all" bonanza making no sense.

*old geezer mode*
We were happy to simply have some romance at all back in the days ! Having "automatic" romances included everywhere, with calculated distribution, remove quite a bit of the surprise, immersion and discovery.

Hey now...are you suggesting that all traveling parties of do-gooders in Thedas are bi-curious? Maybe they could just drop the "r" and go with Gey Wardens!


Oh come on, don't be offended, it's funny the more you think about it. And I support gay romance options, it doesn't hurt anyone. Akka does have a point however, you can't make everyone in the part a romance option. Heck, make some female members solely lesbian or solely gay if you have to or just straight or whatever.

[ErichHartmann]

simfamSP wrote...



The thing with Mass effect , is that it's based on a modern era. It has modern rules and principles. Since when have you seen a man in the army gay? They are very rare. With Women I think it's different, seeing that Lesbians have a "manly" touch to them it's more tolerated. Of course, I'm not saying women who are not gay aren't brave and heroic. I'm just comparing the two gay sides. Whilst a lot of gay men tend to be...well let's just say "squeamish". Lesbians are more rough and tumble. I'm trying to make sense out of it, and trying not to offend any of the community's gay members. But just to put it plain and simple. There are hardly any gay men in the army. And I'm talking proper gay, not just "guy messing with guy" gay.



But in a medieval fantasy world they can get away with it. But I see your point. They shouldn't exclude gay males from one game, and not the other.

Don't ask, don't tell prevents American soldiers from serving openly gay. Your point is moot. Sexual preference has nothing to do with your prowess as a soldier. Stereotyping is bad for everyone.

[Semyaza82]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Oh, God, again.
Isn't this subject just cyclingly being posted once every week ?

I've nothing against gay romance, but seriously, the more there is, the more it's asked for. Hello, there is about 10 % homosexual people in the population at best, having more than half of the party going steam and sails is going to feel completely tacked on and weird. Heck, even having half the party romanceable at all starts to feel a bit curious.

I already somehow dislike the "too perfect distribution" of romances (1 straight and 1 bi for each sex), it feels rather artificial. I'd like to have believable settings and character, not a "romance free-for-all" bonanza making no sense.

*old geezer mode*
We were happy to simply have some romance at all back in the days ! Having "automatic" romances included everywhere, with calculated distribution, remove quite a bit of the surprise, immersion and discovery.

I actually thought given the normal standard of these forums this topic wasn't appearing all that much 
&
I'm all for immersion and discovery - but when 99% of the time as a gamer that means 'no gay romance for you' it kinda loses its appeal

[Semyaza82]

simfamSP wrote...

The thing with Mass effect , is that it's based on a modern era. It has modern rules and principles. Since when have you seen a man in the army gay? They are very rare. With Women I think it's different, seeing that Lesbians have a "manly" touch to them it's more tolerated. Of course, I'm not saying women who are not gay aren't brave and heroic. I'm just comparing the two gay sides. Whilst a lot of gay men tend to be...well let's just say "squeamish". Lesbians are more rough and tumble. I'm trying to make sense out of it, and trying not to offend any of the community's gay members. But just to put it plain and simple. There are hardly any gay men in the army. And I'm talking proper gay, not just "guy messing with guy" gay.

But in a medieval fantasy world they can get away with it. But I see your point. They shouldn't exclude gay males from one game, and not the other.

Do i detect a tongue in a cheek here? I think i do...

[Semyaza82]

simfamSP wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

The thing with Mass effect , is that it's based on a modern era. It has modern rules and principles. Since when have you seen a man in the army gay? They are very rare. With Women I think it's different, seeing that Lesbians have a "manly" touch to them it's more tolerated. Of course, I'm not saying women who are not gay aren't brave and heroic. I'm just comparing the two gay sides. Whilst a lot of gay men tend to be...well let's just say "squeamish". Lesbians are more rough and tumble. I'm trying to make sense out of it, and trying not to offend any of the community's gay members. But just to put it plain and simple. There are hardly any gay men in the army. And I'm talking proper gay, not just "guy messing with guy" gay.

But in a medieval fantasy world they can get away with it. But I see your point. They shouldn't exclude gay males from one game, and not the other.

Don't ask, don't tell prevents American soldiers from serving openly gay. Your point is moot. Sexual preference has nothing to do with your prowess as a soldier. Stereotyping is bad for everyone.

See I was trying to avoid that. I was REALLY saying that as a man. Who is commander of the Normandy, you would not go banging guys up. Your no less of a man ofcourse. But in a modern era, your crew members would just ignore your orders especially the males. And I KNOW it's a game. But this is not a sense of realism. This is just common sense. But when your a bad ass woman, Lesbian or Hetrosexual your just the same as everyone else. It's life really, as bad as it is.

Damn, i'm not sure if this post proves i was right about you not being serious or not

[SoleSong]

Well, when we are at it, gay, lesbian... why not a swingers party or an orgie... would not that be fun??? :-)

This is a game, man! It is not like the society today... must it be?

Modifié par SoleSong, 24 août 2010 - 11:54 .

[Mecha Tengu]

Kengi9 wrote...

ZZZZZZ

India<3

no game can be infinitely open ended, and can have everything you personally want. Either make your own video game, or play an MMORPGFPS called Life, one mega server, no respawns, no lag, lvl cap of nearly 100

[Semyaza82]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

no game can be infinitely open ended, and can have everything you personally want.

No one asked for either. We just want a few more boys in the game to be kissing options thats pretty finite and limited as requests go. And it is, and has been phrased as, a 'request' throughout - not some crazy demand that anyone has claimed a right to have. I would not want to be mistaken as a crazy...(damn, why is there no frothing at the mouth smiley?)

[Semyaza82]

simfamSP wrote...

Semyaza82 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

The thing with Mass effect , is that it's based on a modern era. It has modern rules and principles. Since when have you seen a man in the army gay? They are very rare. With Women I think it's different, seeing that Lesbians have a "manly" touch to them it's more tolerated. Of course, I'm not saying women who are not gay aren't brave and heroic. I'm just comparing the two gay sides. Whilst a lot of gay men tend to be...well let's just say "squeamish". Lesbians are more rough and tumble. I'm trying to make sense out of it, and trying not to offend any of the community's gay members. But just to put it plain and simple. There are hardly any gay men in the army. And I'm talking proper gay, not just "guy messing with guy" gay.

But in a medieval fantasy world they can get away with it. But I see your point. They shouldn't exclude gay males from one game, and not the other.

Don't ask, don't tell prevents American soldiers from serving openly gay. Your point is moot. Sexual preference has nothing to do with your prowess as a soldier. Stereotyping is bad for everyone.

See I was trying to avoid that. I was REALLY saying that as a man. Who is commander of the Normandy, you would not go banging guys up. Your no less of a man ofcourse. But in a modern era, your crew members would just ignore your orders especially the males. And I KNOW it's a game. But this is not a sense of realism. This is just common sense. But when your a bad ass woman, Lesbian or Hetrosexual your just the same as everyone else. It's life really, as bad as it is.

Damn, i'm not sure if this post proves i was right about you not being serious or not

Forget it, trying to say something bad about being gay in the internet is just as bad as talking about religion. No matter what you say, and no matter how many times you try to be fair on both sides you will get flamed by the Athiests, and the religiouse snobs. Either it's "Right on, teach them ****gots a lesson", or "You ignorant child! Your steroptypical views on gays is completley stupid and immature". So let's forget it. Because then this decent post that I agree with, though I am trying to make sense out of the non male gay in ME and defending bioware with it's choice. And if I continue this post will be filled with "fu simfamSP" and sadly half of those are the ones who later go on Just Bieber vids and comment "****G". But I'm not pointing this to you ofcourse. Just in general. Lol to think that I romanced Zevran with my male Warden...and I'm not even gay !

You sir have restored my faith in the internet You were actually saying what i thought you were, but online i constantly doubt my abilty to judge tone. Its why i hugely over use smiley faces - because if i don't? Someone will think every absured thing i say is honestly meant. And that... well that just wouldn't be good.

p.s. I romanced Morigan and Lelianna and not even straight! You at least have the excuse that Zevran is a huge **** who pretty much throws himself at you. And we've all been there - your sitting round the camp fire, you've had a few drinks, an elf who tried to kill you gets a bit flirty.... well you know the rest:D

[Semyaza82]

simfamSP wrote...

Semyaza82 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Semyaza82 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

The thing with Mass effect , is that it's based on a modern era. It has modern rules and principles. Since when have you seen a man in the army gay? They are very rare. With Women I think it's different, seeing that Lesbians have a "manly" touch to them it's more tolerated. Of course, I'm not saying women who are not gay aren't brave and heroic. I'm just comparing the two gay sides. Whilst a lot of gay men tend to be...well let's just say "squeamish". Lesbians are more rough and tumble. I'm trying to make sense out of it, and trying not to offend any of the community's gay members. But just to put it plain and simple. There are hardly any gay men in the army. And I'm talking proper gay, not just "guy messing with guy" gay.

But in a medieval fantasy world they can get away with it. But I see your point. They shouldn't exclude gay males from one game, and not the other.

Don't ask, don't tell prevents American soldiers from serving openly gay. Your point is moot. Sexual preference has nothing to do with your prowess as a soldier. Stereotyping is bad for everyone.

See I was trying to avoid that. I was REALLY saying that as a man. Who is commander of the Normandy, you would not go banging guys up. Your no less of a man ofcourse. But in a modern era, your crew members would just ignore your orders especially the males. And I KNOW it's a game. But this is not a sense of realism. This is just common sense. But when your a bad ass woman, Lesbian or Hetrosexual your just the same as everyone else. It's life really, as bad as it is.

Damn, i'm not sure if this post proves i was right about you not being serious or not

Forget it, trying to say something bad about being gay in the internet is just as bad as talking about religion. No matter what you say, and no matter how many times you try to be fair on both sides you will get flamed by the Athiests, and the religiouse snobs. Either it's "Right on, teach them ****gots a lesson", or "You ignorant child! Your steroptypical views on gays is completley stupid and immature". So let's forget it. Because then this decent post that I agree with, though I am trying to make sense out of the non male gay in ME and defending bioware with it's choice. And if I continue this post will be filled with "fu simfamSP" and sadly half of those are the ones who later go on Just Bieber vids and comment "****G". But I'm not pointing this to you ofcourse. Just in general. Lol to think that I romanced Zevran with my male Warden...and I'm not even gay !

You sir have restored my faith in the internet You were actually saying what i thought you were, but online i constantly doubt my abilty to judge tone. Its why i hugely over use smiley faces - because if i don't? Someone will think every absured thing i say is honestly meant. And that... well that just wouldn't be good.

p.s. I romanced Morigan and Lelianna and not even straight! You at least have the excuse that Zevran is a huge **** who pretty much throws himself at you. And we've all been there - your sitting round the camp fire, you've had a few drinks, an elf who tried to kill you gets a bit flirty.... well you know the rest:D

Haha! I'm just very Latino, so I can relate to Zev . Good to have sorted it out  Was expecting someone to go and virtually kick me in the balls :happy:

Nah, i think ball kicking should be left to consenting kinky antivans :innocent:

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

As long as you are wearing Antivan leather boots, Zevran would be game for just about anything I'd imagine.

[Semyaza82]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

As long as you are wearing Antivan leather boots, Zevran would be game for just about anything I'd imagine.

He seems happy with the idea of being tied up and a few other kinky notions - you kinda get the feeling that there isn't anything he'd rule out.

This is why my real life love life is doomed to failure - a hot, sleazy man with a heart of gold if never going to try to kill me (or of he does, i'm really not kick ass enough to stop him) And thats how most people begin their realtionships, right?

[Kengi9]

I want to make sure that we stay a bit on topic. I hope that we are all in agreement that there should be some gay options. Of course NOT ALL the characters will be gay. I love Alistair and as a woman in RL, and a woman in game, I fell in love with him. I hope to feel this way about DA2 characters soon! While my first play through will be my female character wanting to continue on my love story track, I will say that I will be making a gay character as well. As such to have more then one guy as an availability I would more then overjoyed.



In my mind to say that there would be anything taken away from the game, just to have the options of being gay, my opinion would be along these lines. Would you want an extra class other then the 3 base? Would you want more face options? Would you like better body types to choose from? I believe that the answer to all these questions would be yes. Can you use an old face model? Sure, but the option was still there if you wanted it. Now lets bring that to relationships. If you want to be an evil character, should you automatically be disqualified from seeking a loving relationship? I say not. If your character is gay, should they not be allowed a relationship?



The "Bi" in game characters aren't realistic. We want a game that harbors on reality, but immerses us in fairy tale and wonder. Sure it might not be as realistic, but how realistic is it for anyone to want to get involved over short amount of time to a PC that is a bit sketchy about how he goes about things.



In the end there are always going to be people that get upset over things. I know I got really upset in mass effect 1, during the Citadel planet when a blue alien lady asked me to do some side quests for her. I completed them and then she raped me. I did not want her advances, but had no dialog option to say, "Step back ****!" I was upset, restarted the computer because I didn't want to personally see that. Alright so what do I do? I don't complain about it, It's a good option for lesbians and straight men, it was just not what MY character or I wanted. So I just avoided it, left the mission alone.



I don't think it takes anything away to have romance and relationships in games. We all know that the actual story of the game is what drives us to continue on, but the characters are what leave an impression in our minds. As such they need to be done well, and have great lines! No matter what Dragon Age 2 allows for, gay, straight or bi relationships, I just want to fall in love, and kill darkspawn.



P.S Sole Song, while it might be fun to jest about orgies and swingers stuff, let me just say that this game doesn't actually promote sex. It's not just about one night stands, or getting down and dirty. It lets you have threesomes, and sex with prostitutes, but that isn't the point. It allows for grown up and realistic situations. You should learn from the game that love is more then about sex. While it's in there, it's not as important as the friendships and relationships you form.

[Akka le Vil]

Kengi9 wrote...

I want to make sure that we stay a bit on topic. I hope that we are all in agreement that there should be some gay options.

No.
I agree there COULD be gay option(s), that's the difference.
As I said above, having everything for everyone in several sizes and colours just reeks of artificial set-up, and absolutely not of some organic believable world.
Let the authors decide with what actually feels right, not tailor everything to have every niche and preferences nicely done with perfect equilibrium, even if it feels completely idiotic in-world.