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[FlyinElk212]

ODST Steve wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

luk3us wrote...

If you get everyone killed in ME2 you shouldn't get placeholders at all. You get nothing.

To be honest, that's how it should be.

Agreed

Yeah. I'm still on the "you lose out on content/squaddies if they died in ME2" train, despite it's obvious flaws. I'll ride this train into the ground if I have to.

I guess in terms of importance though, only Miranda/Mordin would likely get placeholders, so I'll go ahead and say they're replaced by Oriana and another Salarian on the Genophage creation team. Sorta like Wrex/Wreav, only now it's Mordin and... Mordolo.

[smudboy]

epoch_ wrote...

smudboy wrote...

That is a good point, that Kal'Reegar can also die.

Going to need a placeholder placeholder.

Haha, that would imply two placeholders.

I don't see why a placeholder can't house more than 2 characters, especially if they're related, which is why I changed the OP to have 3 people.  Simple cameos are easily doable.

[Graz73]

smudboy wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

smudboy wrote...

That is a good point, that Kal'Reegar can also die.

Going to need a placeholder placeholder.

Haha, that would imply two placeholders.

I don't see why a placeholder can't house more than 2 characters, especially if they're related, which is why I changed the OP to have 3 people.  Simple cameos are easily doable.

Place holders are not a big deal if it is just some character that shepard meets in his travels... Like the Wrex/Wreav thing.  But it is very different if you are talking about squad members.

I mean, do you really think they'd want to have recorded dialogue for Tali/Kal Reeger AND a third voice?  

[Zulu_DFA]

smudboy wrote...

Aside from two, ME2's squadmates can all die.

Therefore, it's possible we'll get placeholders if we intend to get a similar, "full ME2" team back.  For example:

Tali->Kal'Reegar->Daro'Xen

What characters would you like to see, and who will they replace?  You can also do this with other characters that might die (Rachni, Hanar, etc.)

If any, Shala'Ran must be Tali's double, by the right of the family friend, so to say... And Daro'Xen deserves a role of her own, the Quarian TIM wannabe she is!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 20 août 2010 - 04:52 .

[BinaryHelix101]

Bioware shot themselves in the foot by making it possible for every ME2 squadmate to die (but at least two survive). There's no way they're going to convice me that after I've "Left No One Behind", that all of them will leave Shep for one reason or another. It's terrible I tells ya.

[Michalsky]

Well if I must to choose...

Tali - Veetor.

Garrus - bad-ass turian chick.

Legion - geth don't die, build another, problem solved.

Miranda - Alliance hero will do just fine(people like Anderson and Grissom).

Mordin - another salarian form STG or brilliant scientist.

Thane - Kolyat

Grunt - plenty of krogan warriors on Tuchanka.

Honestly I don't need more.

luk3us wrote...
If you get everyone killed in ME2 you shouldn't get placeholders at all. You get nothing.

Good point.

[Zulu_DFA]

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

Bioware shot themselves in the foot by making it possible for every ME2 squadmate to die (but at least two survive). There's no way they're going to convice me that after I've "Left No One Behind", that all of them will leave Shep for one reason or another. It's terrible I tells ya.

Or, more accurately, BioWare shoot themselves in the foot by making it possible for all the ME2 squadmates to survive the "suicide mission".

BTW, AFAIK, the USArmy policy "No one gets left behind" refers to the corpses of the fallen in battle as well, so on top of all BioWare misused the term..

[lazuli]

luk3us wrote...

If you get everyone killed in ME2 you shouldn't get placeholders at all. You get nothing.

Agreed.  I don't want to have to go back and kill off squadmates just to experience all that ME3 has to offer.  For instance, if Kal'Reegar were to be a squadmate, he should be a squadmate even if Tali survives.

If you get your squad killed you should just have less options in ME3.

[epoch_]

lazuli wrote...

If you get your squad killed you should just have less options in ME3.

That's how it should be, obviously, but it won't be like that.

[lazuli]

epoch_ wrote...

lazuli wrote...

If you get your squad killed you should just have less options in ME3.

That's how it should be, obviously, but it won't be like that.

Why not?  For Shepard to survive the suicide mission, he needs at least two squadmates to survive as well, right?  So then those two squadmates could be the only squadmates to which Shepard has access in ME3.  Of course, the default playthrough for those not importing would probably feature a Shepard with more than the minimum number of survivors.

Why do you think Bioware would reward us for playing Mass Effect 2 incorrectly?

[JGDD]

lazuli wrote...
Of course, the default playthrough for those not importing would probably feature a Shepard with more than the minimum number of survivors.

I hope not. In fact, without an imported back story, there should be an entirely new lineage (i.o.w: no Shep at all). Guess I'll find out when it's released. Played ME2 as a stand alone when it came out and will do the same with the next just to see how the writers cover their asses.

[epoch_]

lazuli wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

lazuli wrote...

If you get your squad killed you should just have less options in ME3.

That's how it should be, obviously, but it won't be like that.

Why not?  For Shepard to survive the suicide mission, he needs at least two squadmates to survive as well, right?  So then those two squadmates could be the only squadmates to which Shepard has access in ME3.  Of course, the default playthrough for those not importing would probably feature a Shepard with more than the minimum number of survivors.

Why do you think Bioware would reward us for playing Mass Effect 2 incorrectly?

That isn't the question. It's a logistical nightmare.

[Hobosapien]

My first playthru I lost Mordin. Gonna suck if i cant upgrade in ME3. Maybe Cpt Kirrahe will come along.

[Zulu_DFA]

lazuli wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

lazuli wrote...

If you get your squad killed you should just have less options in ME3.

That's how it should be, obviously, but it won't be like that.

Why not?  For Shepard to survive the suicide mission, he needs at least two squadmates to survive as well, right?  So then those two squadmates could be the only squadmates to which Shepard has access in ME3.  Of course, the default playthrough for those not importing would probably feature a Shepard with more than the minimum number of survivors.

Why do you think Bioware would reward us for playing Mass Effect 2 incorrectly?

Because keeping all squadmates alive is no more correct than killing off all of them (and still completing the game). It would make a lot of sense to reward all you "No on left behind" achievers with giving you back all the old used up plot hole ridden ME2 squadmates, and rewarding the "Ecael's worst playthrough" importers with a bunch of fresh cool new ME3 squadmates. But that's not very expedient, so it'll be small cameos / crappy DLC for you, smaller to nothing placeholders for us. And we all get a bunch of fresh cool new ME3 squadmates, like it or not.

[epoch_]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

lazuli wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

lazuli wrote...

If you get your squad killed you should just have less options in ME3.

That's how it should be, obviously, but it won't be like that.

Why not?  For Shepard to survive the suicide mission, he needs at least two squadmates to survive as well, right?  So then those two squadmates could be the only squadmates to which Shepard has access in ME3.  Of course, the default playthrough for those not importing would probably feature a Shepard with more than the minimum number of survivors.

Why do you think Bioware would reward us for playing Mass Effect 2 incorrectly?

Because keeping all squadmates alive is no more correct than killing off all of them (and still completing the game). It would make a lot of sense to reward all you "No on left behind" achievers with giving you back all the old used up plot hole ridden ME2 squadmates, and rewarding the "Ecael's worst playthrough" importers with a bunch of fresh cool new ME3 squadmates. But that's not very expedient, so it'll be small cameos / crappy DLC for you, smaller to nothing placeholders for us. And we all get a bunch of fresh cool new ME3 squadmates, like it or not.

[KainrycKarr]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

lazuli wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

lazuli wrote...

If you get your squad killed you should just have less options in ME3.

That's how it should be, obviously, but it won't be like that.

Why not?  For Shepard to survive the suicide mission, he needs at least two squadmates to survive as well, right?  So then those two squadmates could be the only squadmates to which Shepard has access in ME3.  Of course, the default playthrough for those not importing would probably feature a Shepard with more than the minimum number of survivors.

Why do you think Bioware would reward us for playing Mass Effect 2 incorrectly?

Because keeping all squadmates alive is no more correct than killing off all of them (and still completing the game). It would make a lot of sense to reward all you "No on left behind" achievers with giving you back all the old used up plot hole ridden ME2 squadmates, and rewarding the "Ecael's worst playthrough" importers with a bunch of fresh cool new ME3 squadmates. But that's not very expedient, so it'll be small cameos / crappy DLC for you, smaller to nothing placeholders for us. And we all get a bunch of fresh cool new ME3 squadmates, like it or not.

Because you obviously know everything there is to know about how Bioware will handle it.

[Count Viceroy]

The one and only.

[lazuli]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Because keeping all squadmates alive is no more correct than killing off all of them (and still completing the game).

How do you figure?

[Zulu_DFA]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Because you obviously know everything there is to know about how Bioware will handle it.

>> IN MY OPINION <<, sure.

[Jonesey2k]

A certain asari commando...

[Zan51]

I don't see much of a problem. Is anyone here who had everyone die, NOT going to redo the game to make sure everyone lives? At least to try the other possible ME3 scenarios... I will certainly do one where I lose a few just for that reason.

Given that, I am assuming having everyone live will be scripted, then from there down. Be nice if we got the choice of having the same team or a new member. And given that you had Garrus and Tali last time around, I think they will be there again, and the LI. Just my 2 cents of course..

[MadInfiltrator]

Kolyat will not be Thane's replacement. No logical reason, completely unskilled.



For Garrus I would want to see either a female Turian, or better, a Turian Spectre in the vain of Nihlus, just head to toe black op badass.



For Zaeed, a Blue Suns enforcer.



For Tali, the ship captain of the liveship could be an option.



For Samara, a new Justicar, or to switch it up, an asari commando, but since Samara is likely to go, and Liara is likely to be back, who knows?



Grunts death could be replaced by Wrex? I have no solid ideas for this one.



For Miranda/Jacob, a new character based on your allegiance. Maybe Kai Leng, or an N7 operator.



For Jack, maybe Billy, or whoever the serial killer is who sent you a note.

[BellatrixLugosi]

I think they will try to at least keep all alien races represented again in the new squad

[Zulu_DFA]

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

I think they will try to at least keep all alien races represented again in the new squad

What's the point? They don't look like aliens anyhow, but rather like X-men mutants. And the idea of alien scrogging blasts sh*t out of sci-fi geeks like myself.