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[Throw_this_away]

Who thinks Kaiden/Ash are not dead (did you see the body?), and will be indoctrinated in ME3?

I 110% bet it will happen.  I am not saying the scenario is a good one, or that it is probable.  But it is possible.  Plot twist and tough decisions.  Lookout!!!  

1. The Asari Scientist escaped (by a pod... but she got out)
2. Saran was at ground Zero... he escaped
3. There was a geth dropship... this should answer the "HOW".  Sovergn wants tools to use against Shep.  This is our "WHY"
4. There was plenty of time for their abduction if you saved the squadmate at the bomb. 
5. If you didn't save the squadmate at the bomb, you still have the same amount of time because the bomb was triggered at the same point in the game.  Many videos in the game do not appear real-time.  Maybe the video with your squadmate against the bomb is not real-time.  i.e we can't proove that the bomb went off immediatly after the squadmate had their back against it. 
6. There was no body.  If movies/tv has taught us anything, it is that if there is no body, it is only a matter of time before the "dead" character returns alive.
7. Most people dismiss this claim, thus making this option a very tempting one for the writers given the fact that most gamers would be genuenly surprised. 
8. The mass effect series has been written based on far larger and more improbable plothoes in the past. 
9. The Virmire squadmate is listed as MIA.  A hint maybe?

Modifié par Throw_this_away, 21 août 2010 - 02:25 .

[Rogue Unit]

I'm sure getting blown up by a nuke that you were leaning against leaves little chance for survival.

[Throw_this_away]

Rogue Unit wrote...

I'm sure getting blown up by a nuke that you were leaning against leaves little chance for survival.

a geth dropship is flying overhead...

[Rogue Unit]

Why would a geth dropship stop just to save some random soldier, maybe Shepard but not Kaiden or Ashley.



Besides, I think the geth would be more concerned with avoiding the blast than saving one inferior soldier just to torment Shepard 5 years later.

[Throw_this_away]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Why would a geth dropship stop just to save some random soldier, maybe Shepard but not Kaiden or Ashley.

Besides, I think the geth would be more concerned with avoiding the blast than saving one inferior soldier just to torment Shepard 5 years later.

Who controlled the geth in ME1?  Why would the Collectors target Horizon?  Why the reaper interest in Shep? 

This is a classic setup for a plot twist in ME3.  No body = no dead

[Zulu_DFA]

It would be lame. "Did you see the body?" is a good argument, just not with the nuke blasts... And can we have a least a bit of realism in this game series that was once sci-fi?



More probably, Shepard himself gets indoctrinated. But he's got a strong personality, so he will be able to fight it succesfully as opposed to Saren, Benezia and Grayson... Lame too, but it's possible. Everything's possible after the talimance and thermal ammo. Even Robo-Space Ponies.

[Kid_SixXx]

Throw_this_away wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

I'm sure getting blown up by a nuke that you were leaning against leaves little chance for survival.

a geth dropship is flying overhead...

EMP from the nuke takes out both the dropship and the Geth on board. ... next improbable scenario, please.

[smudboy]

Throw_this_away wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

I'm sure getting blown up by a nuke that you were leaning against leaves little chance for survival.

a geth dropship is flying overhead...

That also got incinerated?  Whose explosion could be seen from orbit?

Although that does beg the question of how Rana Thanoptis escaped.  But she was actually escaping, whereas the other two were either pressed up against the device, or a hundred meters or so away standing ground.

[beyondsolo]

The though occured to me, but then chances surviving a nuke blast that can be seen from orbit are fairly slim. How fast can humans run those days?

[Flamewielder]

Well... Rana Thanopsis can apparently escape the blast, and Saren also escaped in time, likely ordering the evacuation as he did so. Sovereign himself might have ordered that a human prisoner be kept (if only have him/her pulped in ME2...), so the Geth may have captured a wounded Ash/Kaidan under orders from Saren/Sovereign.



I can see it happening. It's a plot twist like any other.

[Throw_this_away]

smudboy wrote...

Throw_this_away wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

I'm sure getting blown up by a nuke that you were leaning against leaves little chance for survival.

a geth dropship is flying overhead...

That also got incinerated?  Whose explosion could be seen from orbit?

Although that does beg the question of how Rana Thanoptis escaped.  But she was actually escaping, whereas the other two were either pressed up against the device, or a hundred meters or so away standing ground.

Rana Thanopsis survived presumably on foot.  Saren survived... lets assume he got away on the geth dropship I referenced.  Why not take Ask/Kaiden with them?

plothole? 

You will have your work cut out for you in ME3 when evil Ash/Kaiden returns. 

Mark my words. 

[Throw_this_away]

Flamewielder wrote...

Well... Rana Thanopsis can apparently escape the blast, and Saren also escaped in time, likely ordering the evacuation as he did so. Sovereign himself might have ordered that a human prisoner be kept (if only have him/her pulped in ME2...), so the Geth may have captured a wounded Ash/Kaidan under orders from Saren/Sovereign.

I can see it happening. It's a plot twist like any other.

this.

[Prudii Aden]

Rana Thanoptis didn't escape on foot - she found a vehicle and sped for the hills.

[Throw_this_away]

Prudii Aden wrote...

Rana Thanoptis didn't escape on foot - she found a vehicle and sped for the hills.

And how did Saren escape from ground zero?  Would he have room for one more?

[CroGamer002]

Few seconds before explosion



So if there isn't time traveling in Mass Effect...


...I don't think they survived nuke.

Modifié par Mesina2, 20 août 2010 - 01:15 .

[Throw_this_away]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

It would be lame. "Did you see the body?" is a good argument

 Everything's possible after the talimance and thermal ammo. Even Robo-Space Ponies.

agreed. 

[CroGamer002]

Throw_this_away wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Why would a geth dropship stop just to save some random soldier, maybe Shepard but not Kaiden or Ashley.

Besides, I think the geth would be more concerned with avoiding the blast than saving one inferior soldier just to torment Shepard 5 years later.

Who controlled the geth in ME1?  Why would the Collectors target Horizon?  Why the reaper interest in Shep? 

This is a classic setup for a plot twist in ME3.  No body = no dead

So you're telling me that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1000s of people whose bodies were never found at ground zero might be alive?

Modifié par Mesina2, 20 août 2010 - 01:20 .

[Throw_this_away]

Mesina2 wrote...

Few seconds before explosion



So if there isn't time traveling in Mass Effect...


...I don't think they survived nuke.

Do we know the video is real-time? 

If you watch the video where you save the squadmate at the bomb... then there was plenty of time for the other to be abducted from the blast.  Assuming real-time... the timeline is tight for the choice where you abandon the squadmate who is defending the bomb.  Still, if shep can get to orbit in that amount of time, than another ship could snap up the squadmate and get them just out of the blast range. 

I am not saying this is probable, I am not saying it is a good idea.  I am just saying that I think it will happen.  

So I guess this is not so much of an argument as it is me telling you what will happen.  PLease feel free to quote me on it when ME3 comes out.  

Modifié par Throw_this_away, 20 août 2010 - 01:52 .

[Throw_this_away]

Mesina2 wrote...

Throw_this_away wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Why would a geth dropship stop just to save some random soldier, maybe Shepard but not Kaiden or Ashley.

Besides, I think the geth would be more concerned with avoiding the blast than saving one inferior soldier just to torment Shepard 5 years later.

Who controlled the geth in ME1?  Why would the Collectors target Horizon?  Why the reaper interest in Shep? 

This is a classic setup for a plot twist in ME3.  No body = no dead

So you're telling me that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1000s of people whose bodies were never found at ground zero might be alive?

no

[Madman123456]

erm... i had Ashley help the Salarians in my first Playthrough of me1 for the lolz. Racist Girl has to work with Aliens. Har!

Then i saved Ashley, not because of some Decision i had to make to save one and kill the other one, but because ashley was with the Salarians which i actually wanted to save.

So my Kaidan sat right next to a nuclear Bomb and i doubt he survived that

[epoch_]

Pretty sure a dev said quite a while back that whoever you left on virmire died a story death and the only chance you'd ever see them again is if they made a prequel or something.

[Throw_this_away]

epoch_ wrote...

Pretty sure a dev said quite a while back that whoever you left on virmire died a story death and the only chance you'd ever see them again is if they made a prequel or something.

of course they won't be giving away a major ME3 plot twist. 

[Zulu_DFA]

Throw_this_away wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Pretty sure a dev said quite a while back that whoever you left on virmire died a story death and the only chance you'd ever see them again is if they made a prequel or something.

of course they won't be giving away a major ME3 plot twist. 

Infested Kerrigan, anyone?

[Kid_SixXx]

Throw_this_away wrote...

And how did Saren escape from ground zero?

Saren was Sovereign's agent.  Why would Sovereign sacrifice Saren on Virmire before the Citadel was compromised.

Saren probably escaped with the retreating Geth or by himself in a spacecraft provided by Sovereign.

Throw_this_away wrote...

Would he have room for one more?

The issue isn't room, it is "why would he even bother to save Rana?"

And I agree with the sentiment that Rana's cameo on Korlus is a cameo for the sake of a cameo that doesn't serve any real purpose other than for sake of a callback, just like Shiala showing up on IIlium. IMO.

Modifié par Kid_SixXx, 20 août 2010 - 02:50 .

[epoch_]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Throw_this_away wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Pretty sure a dev said quite a while back that whoever you left on virmire died a story death and the only chance you'd ever see them again is if they made a prequel or something.

of course they won't be giving away a major ME3 plot twist. 

Infested Kerrigan, anyone?

SC2 had such an epic ending. I was like