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[Aedan_Cousland]

RedHawk89 wrote...

in my opinion, they're gone. There's nothing left of them. The explosion could be seen from Orbit.

The only thing I wonder about is how the asari scientist escaped. Maybe she found a ship somewhere.

Bet she'll be back in ME3

She had a little bit of a headstart, so maybe she escaped on a shuttle of some kind?

Ash and Kaiden had no headstart whatsoever, and depending on your choices may have even been sitting right next to the nuke just seconds before it goes off. I seriously can't believe that some people actually think the person they left behind on Virmire is still alive. They aren't even ash, they were completely atomized.

[FourSixEight]

Rogue Unit wrote...

I'm sure getting blown up by a nuke that you were leaning against leaves little chance for survival.

That's entirely truthful.

But we still didn't see a death scene or a body- in retrospect that seems a little suspicious.

In ME2, when squadmates die there's some confirmation of it. Except there was for Wrex in ME1, and not Ashley/Kaidan. Something doesn't add up.

Modifié par FourSixEight, 21 août 2010 - 10:47 .

[BellatrixLugosi]

Maybe there doesn't need to be a death scene, or a body because of a NUCLEAR EXPLOSION!!

[FourSixEight]

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Maybe there doesn't need to be a death scene, or a body because of a NUCLEAR EXPLOSION!!

Nuclear devices aren't Exterminatus bombs. There was a HUGE explosion, I saw it in-game, I'm not denying that. But they don't destroy entire planets.

And we didn't see *anything* after Ashley/Kaidan gives the "it's been an honor" line. One last shot of their (presumably terrified/horrified/pant-wetting) face right before the nuke goes off would have sufficed.

Modifié par FourSixEight, 21 août 2010 - 10:50 .

[BellatrixLugosi]

[didymos1120]

FourSixEight wrote...
But we still didn't see a death scene or a body- in retrospect that seems a little suspicious.

Yeah, you do.  For the one left at the nuke, anyway.  And for both: what body would there be?  The presence of one, or any remains besides flakes of radioactive ash, would be bizarre.  It was a goddamn thermonuclear explosion, for Christ's sake.  And don't forget: the bomb was really just a way to crack open the geothermal tap that was powering the facility.  Anything not annihilated by the initial blast would be shortly destroyed by rivers of molten rock.

Modifié par didymos1120, 21 août 2010 - 10:55 .

[BellatrixLugosi]

FourSixEight wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Maybe there doesn't need to be a death scene, or a body because of a NUCLEAR EXPLOSION!!

Nuclear devices aren't Exterminatus bombs. There was a HUGE explosion, I saw it in-game, I'm not denying that. But they don't destroy entire planets.

And we didn't see *anything* after Ashley/Kaidan gives the "it's been an honor" line. One last shot of their (presumably terrified/horrified/pant-wetting) face right before the nuke goes off would have sufficed.

Where the hell in my post does it say that?  I said "NUCLEAR EXPLOSION" not "VIRMIRE DESTROYED"

Modifié par BellatrixLugosi, 21 août 2010 - 11:00 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

FourSixEight wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Maybe there doesn't need to be a death scene, or a body because of a NUCLEAR EXPLOSION!!

Nuclear devices aren't Exterminatus bombs. There was a HUGE explosion, I saw it in-game, I'm not denying that. But they don't destroy entire planets.

And we didn't see *anything* after Ashley/Kaidan gives the "it's been an honor" line. One last shot of their (presumably terrified/horrified/pant-wetting) face right before the nuke goes off would have sufficed.

Because that line doesn't say enough, right?

[Shadow_broker]

ZOMG THIS MAKES SENSE



It's like in ME2 when zaeed got taken away by the seeker swarms! i didn't see his body so he's still alive!



Dumb idea is dumb

[FourSixEight]

Shadow_broker wrote...

ZOMG THIS MAKES SENSE

It's like in ME2 when zaeed got taken away by the seeker swarms! i didn't see his body so he's still alive!

Dumb idea is dumb

The base blows up.

If someone is carried away it doesn't matter whether or not they survived.

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

FourSixEight wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Maybe there doesn't need to be a death scene, or a body because of a NUCLEAR EXPLOSION!!

Nuclear devices aren't Exterminatus bombs. There was a HUGE explosion, I saw it in-game, I'm not denying that. But they don't destroy entire planets.

And we didn't see *anything* after Ashley/Kaidan gives the "it's been an honor" line. One last shot of their (presumably terrified/horrified/pant-wetting) face right before the nuke goes off would have sufficed.

Where the hell in my post does it say that?  I said "NUCLEAR EXPLOSION" not "VIRMIRE DESTROYED"

Nowhere "in the hell in your post" did it say that, yet you keep acting like outrunning a nuclear device is impossible.  Rana Thanoptis managed it.

Also, I'd like to point out that before you start throwing hissy fits at me, I wasn't the one that started this topic. I just said that it may be possible.

Lord Jaric wrote...

The Normandy barely made it off the planet before the the bomb blew, there is no way they would of gotten away in time.

FourSixEight wrote...

Nowhere "in the hell in your post" did it say that, yet you keep acting like outrunning a nuclear device is impossible.  Rana Thanoptis managed it.

She had a head start.

Saren didn't.

Modifié par FourSixEight, 21 août 2010 - 11:37 .

[Lord Jaric]

The Normandy barely made it off the planet before the the bomb blew, there is no way they would of gotten away in time.

FourSixEight wrote...

Nowhere "in the hell in your post" did it say that, yet you keep acting like outrunning a nuclear device is impossible.  Rana Thanoptis managed it.

She had a head start.

Modifié par Lord Jaric, 21 août 2010 - 11:30 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

FourSixEight wrote...

Nuclear devices aren't Exterminatus bombs. There was a HUGE explosion, I saw it in-game, I'm not denying that. But they don't destroy entire planets.

And we didn't see *anything* after Ashley/Kaidan gives the "it's been an honor" line. One last shot of their (presumably terrified/horrified/pant-wetting) face right before the nuke goes off would have sufficed.

That strange shadow is all that was left of a man that was sitting on the steps of a bank about 250 meters from the epicenter of the Hiroshima bomb.

We don't see Ash or Kaiden's corpse because there was nothing left to see.

[didymos1120]

Lord Jaric wrote...

The Normandy barely made it off the planet before the the bomb blew, there is no way they would of gotten away in time.

FourSixEight wrote...

Nowhere "in the hell in your post" did it say that, yet you keep acting like outrunning a nuclear device is impossible.  Rana Thanoptis managed it.

She had a head start.

And a vehicle, as she tells you in ME2.

[didymos1120]

FourSixEight wrote...
The base blows up.

And so too did the one on Virmire.  Nice double-standard of evidence. 

Saren didn't.

He had more of one than Shep did, and he had his hover-sled thingy.  He flew off well before the Normandy came in to pick up Shep.  Plenty of time to get to Sovereign and bail. 

[BellatrixLugosi]

FourSixEight wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

ZOMG THIS MAKES SENSE

It's like in ME2 when zaeed got taken away by the seeker swarms! i didn't see his body so he's still alive!

Dumb idea is dumb

The base blows up.

If someone is carried away it doesn't matter whether or not they survived.

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

FourSixEight wrote...

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Maybe there doesn't need to be a death scene, or a body because of a NUCLEAR EXPLOSION!!

Nuclear devices aren't Exterminatus bombs. There was a HUGE explosion, I saw it in-game, I'm not denying that. But they don't destroy entire planets.

And we didn't see *anything* after Ashley/Kaidan gives the "it's been an honor" line. One last shot of their (presumably terrified/horrified/pant-wetting) face right before the nuke goes off would have sufficed.

Where the hell in my post does it say that?  I said "NUCLEAR EXPLOSION" not "VIRMIRE DESTROYED"

Nowhere "in the hell in your post" did it say that, yet you keep acting like outrunning a nuclear device is impossible.  Rana Thanoptis managed it.

Also, I'd like to point out that before you start throwing hissy fits at me, I wasn't the one that started this topic. I just said that it may be possible.

Lord Jaric wrote...

The Normandy barely made it off the planet before the the bomb blew, there is no way they would of gotten away in time.

FourSixEight wrote...

Nowhere "in the hell in your post" did it say that, yet you keep acting like outrunning a nuclear device is impossible.  Rana Thanoptis managed it.

She had a head start.

Saren didn't.

With a pod, with a 20 minute >head start< not 3 seconds before the bomb exploded.  Fail on your part

[Ryoko]

I can see it now, a Zombie Kaiden shooting head crabs outta his head lump!

[Arijharn]

I think a lot of people misunderstand the destructive force of a thermonuclear warhead.



Ignore (or don't) the music.

It rips apart buildings, what hope is there for some puny squishy organic?

[TK Dude]

I rather they don't slap us with a deus ex machina showing that Ash survived somehow for my playthrough and gets indoctrinated.

The nuke explosion radius was huge, it isn't possible she survived it somehow.

[MCPOWill]

Personally I think who ever was left is dead. It the one of the largest and the most impactful moments in the first Mass Effect and to bring who was left back from the grave in Mass Effect 3 would undermine the impact of that decision back in Mass Effect 1. Yes it might be cool to think they aren't dead but your just fooling yourself. It's like saying if you failed (or succeeded depending on how you look at it 'suicide') the suicide mission and shepard dies, then you can import to ME3 with that failed shepard and play as him/her. That would undermine the impact (and continuity) of the failed ending in ME2 and make your decisions completely pointless. The point is that whoever left on Virmire survived by some means it would undermine the impact of the decision and make choice pointless in Mass Effect. Bioware created a game where your choices have impact on the the game and the player. To do that you have choices like who you save on Virmire and to make it impactful in game and to the player you create compelling characters who you don't want to die, yet you have to save one and leave the other. For the one who was left to return, it would ruin not only the moment but the mission of a Bioware game.

[Nightwriter]

BioWare has stated that they are dead.

[jlb524]

No.

[Nightwriter]

You changed your avatar again. You do it just to confuse me don't you. Don't you. And Morrigan looks like she's on drugs in this one.

[didymos1120]

Brodyaha wrote...

Person left on Virmire (PLOV)'s resurrection is entirely plausible, but it depends where the VS is.

No, it's really not.

My PLOV has been Ashley on my 2 FemShep playthroughs. Both times I had her go with Kirrahe's team, and Kaidan detonated the nuke. I never saw any cutscene of Ash fighting off geth infiltrators from the AA tower.

Yes, and the survivors of that AA team make it back to the Normandy.  Not a single one ever says anything about the person you left other than "Sucks that they're dead and stuff, huh?" (I'm paraphrasing). It's quite clear from the dialogue that they saw them die, and it's heavily implied that a large part of any of them making it out alive was that death. 

Pretty sure they would have noticed a gethnapping-in-progress, too.  There weren't that many of them, and they were all trapped in a small area with precisely one exit (other than the rather high ledges, that is), fighting pretty much back-to-back.  Besides which, the person with Kirrahe gets cut off mid-sentence as you're fighting at the bomb site, while shouting about being utterly overwhelmed.  Gee, I wonder what that was all about?  

As for the body: geth wouldn't care, neither would Saren, and the nuke would then vaporize it.

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 août 2010 - 04:55 .