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[charmingcharlie]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I think the price is fine. I also think the pricing and delivery model is fine.

they get my money and improve my satisifaction, while kids can happily ignore it because they are neck deep in Halo Reach anyway.

I think you will find some PC users do not consider the "delivery model is fine" not after the complete **** up that LotSB was on the PC.  We waited nearly 8 hours after xbox users to get this content, then we wasted 1.5gbs of bandwidth on a junk file full of zero's.  It then took them a further 8 hours to fix the **** up.  So no the delivery model is NOT FINE.

Oh but thanks for generalising and calling those objecting to the DLC pricing "kids" I am 40 years old and whilst I am not exactly poor I am not exactly rolling in it either.  I have learnt over the years to be "careful" with my money and over £6 for less than 2 hours of entertainment to me is a rip off..

[Baihu1983]

For the actual missions i would say the DLC has been fine. But the wepon packs and outfit pack should have been included with them at no extra cost.

[Christmas Ape]

charmingcharlie whined...

We waited nearly 8 hours after xbox users to get this content, then we wasted 1.5gbs of bandwidth on a junk file full of zero's. It then took them a further 8 hours to fix the **** up.

Holy hell! You had something nearly sixteen hours after it was possible for someone else to have it? Now that, truly, is suffering. I assume the rest of your income is spent traveling to midnight releases of technology or entertainment goods you desire and camping out on the street up against the door?



I can't even imagine how you feel about the atrocity that was Mass Effect's PC release. The European version a full 9 days after the North American! Unbelievable! I presume there was a great deal of window-smashing and car-burning? I was playing Mass Effect so I missed it.

[Moondoggie]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

there's not much doubt that DLC is both extending the revenue over time and increasing total revenue.
The main benefit for BW or the Dev is revenue stability and that shouldn't be scoffed at - it literally allows people to sleep at night. But the customer does pay - we pay so BW has steady revenues.
200,000 downloads of the Liara DLC would be seen as favourably as 2 million units of ME2 itself by BW and there is no doubt that the paid DLC model will continue.
The question is: what is the price ceiling on DLC?? Assuming the quality is maintained, probably around $12 - $13 for a DLC of 4-5 real hours (plus replay) after that it's probably an Xpack or reaches into an unknown pricing / development schedule.
BW content atm is the best quality around and they'll seek to make hay while the sun shines.... if it's good, people will buy.

I think if they started charging more than they are their would be severe ****ing. I don't see anything bigger than 800 points in future. I suppose the biggest ceiling is how much do you expect them to spend on making it? Are you happy to see corners being cut so it costs the same as Overlord?

[Moondoggie]

Christmas Ape wrote...

charmingcharlie whined...
We waited nearly 8 hours after xbox users to get this content, then we wasted 1.5gbs of bandwidth on a junk file full of zero's. It then took them a further 8 hours to fix the **** up.

Holy hell! You had something nearly sixteen hours after it was possible for someone else to have it? Now that, truly, is suffering. I assume the rest of your income is spent traveling to midnight releases of technology or entertainment goods you desire and camping out on the street up against the door?

I can't even imagine how you feel about the atrocity that was Mass Effect's PC release. The European version a full 9 days after the North American! Unbelievable! I presume there was a great deal of window-smashing and car-burning? I was playing Mass Effect so I missed it.

LOL

[Kavadas]

Moondoggie wrote...

I think if they started charging more than they are their would be severe ****ing. I don't see anything bigger than 800 points in future. I suppose the biggest ceiling is how much do you expect them to spend on making it? Are you happy to see corners being cut so it costs the same as Overlord.

Once I finished LOTSB, even as much as I liked it, I did feel 800 BPs was overpriced considering I got about the same amount content time as I did Overlord which was only 560 BPs.

[Moondoggie]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I think the price is fine. I also think the pricing and delivery model is fine.

they get my money and improve my satisifaction, while kids can happily ignore it because they are neck deep in Halo Reach anyway.

I think you will find some PC users do not consider the "delivery model is fine" not after the complete **** up that LotSB was on the PC.  We waited nearly 8 hours after xbox users to get this content, then we wasted 1.5gbs of bandwidth on a junk file full of zero's.  It then took them a further 8 hours to fix the **** up.  So no the delivery model is NOT FINE.

Oh but thanks for generalising and calling those objecting to the DLC pricing "kids" I am 40 years old and whilst I am not exactly poor I am not exactly rolling in it either.  I have learnt over the years to be "careful" with my money and over £6 for less than 2 hours of entertainment to me is a rip off..

So you play it one time then never again do you? I'd wager that people play the DLC more than once so that adds up to several hours entertainment. £6 will get you in the cinema to watch a movie once. DLC is like buying the DVD for £6 you may enjoy it all you want. Also if you are 40 years old and spend so many hours waiting for a DLC comes out then cry about it on a forum i feel sad for you. Sure it sucked with the delay but i had to sleep then go to work so i didn't really notice the long wait i came home and the problem was solved so i could play it. Simple. Try getting one of these jobs it's great for momentary screw ups on game installers that need to be fixed. Maybe then you can afford to pay £6 for some DLC

[theelementslayer]

Kavadas wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

I think if they started charging more than they are their would be severe ****ing. I don't see anything bigger than 800 points in future. I suppose the biggest ceiling is how much do you expect them to spend on making it? Are you happy to see corners being cut so it costs the same as Overlord.

Once I finished LOTSB, even as much as I liked it, I did feel 800 BPs was overpriced considering I got about the same amount content time as I did Overlord which was only 560 BPs.

Did you actually see the content in LoTSB, it was way worth the money.

-Beautiful voice acting and storyline
-Upgraded AI and enemies
-Improved graphics-the outside of the SB ship.
-Dossiers (everyone had to be written)
-Squad respec
-New power, new squaddie

It was more then just content time, and well I thought it was worth it:wizard:

[Moondoggie]

Kavadas wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

I think if they started charging more than they are their would be severe ****ing. I don't see anything bigger than 800 points in future. I suppose the biggest ceiling is how much do you expect them to spend on making it? Are you happy to see corners being cut so it costs the same as Overlord.

Once I finished LOTSB, even as much as I liked it, I did feel 800 BPs was overpriced considering I got about the same amount content time as I did Overlord which was only 560 BPs.

If you factor in the many locations. Area designs. Boss designs etc etc. A lot of Overlord was all very similar so easier to design the areas. Plus after the mission on LotSB theres a whole load of extra content to look at and you can have the whole scene with Liara. Add it all together and it's longer than Overlord although the actual mission is about the same legnth though you could argue the other way and if you take out those Hammerhead sequences Overlord is a lot shorter. Theres several ways of looking at it really. Do i think they should have been the same price? Maybe but i didn't mind paying a little more because i felt that LotSB delivered a much better experience than Overlord all round.

[charmingcharlie]

Christmas Ape ignorantly said .......

Holy hell! You had something nearly sixteen hours after it was possible for someone else to have it? Now that, truly, is suffering. I assume the rest of your income is spent traveling to midnight releases of technology or entertainment goods you desire and camping out on the street up against the door?

Typically narrow minded viewpoint, the problem wasn't the number of hours the problem was the fact by the time I actually got my hands on the DLC I already knew everything about it because of inconsiderate xbox pricks coming into topics spoiling every aspect of the DLC.  A lot of PC gamers were hanging around the forum in the NON spoiler section waiting for news on what was happening, but naturally some xbox users couldn't resist being dicks in those topics.

Moondoggie wrote ......

So you play it one time then never again do you? I'd wager that people
play the DLC more than once so that adds up to several hours
entertainment. £6 will get you in the cinema to watch a movie once. DLC
is like buying the DVD for £6 you may enjoy it all you want. Also if you
are 40 years old and spend so many hours waiting for a DLC comes out
then cry about it on a forum i feel sad for you. Sure it sucked with the
delay but i had to sleep then go to work so i didn't really notice the
long wait i came home and the problem was solved so i could play it.
Simple. Try getting one of these jobs it's great for momentary screw ups
on game installers that need to be fixed. Maybe then you can afford to
pay £6 for some DLC

I have only played LotSB once so far and whilst I enjoyed it the first time I don't really feel an inclination to replay it again.  There was very little replay value in this DLC, I mean how many times do you really want to sit through Liara whittling away about bloody dog tags ?.  

Again I see the cinema and dvd comparison being thrown in, yeah guess what I happen to think they are rip offs too so I don't bother going to the cinema or buying DVD's.

Now as to that "oh you spent hours on the net and you are 40 years old" I didn't say I spent 18 hours waiting for the DLC I would pop back now and again to see what was happening just like everyone else.  Naturally though you won't accept that and will find any way to excuse the inexcusable.  I find the disparity between xbox customers and PC customers wrong and I know for a fact if xbox users had to wait 18 hours after PC users for this content there would be a hell of a lot more ****ing and Bioware would have done something about it.

Finally at no point did I say "I cannot afford £6" I can easily afford to pay £6 for DLC but I expect to get a fair bit more than under 2 hours of entertainment.  Still it is a lesson learned, so far I have found all the DLC to be disappointing length wise.  I don't feel I got my value for money with this DLC, there is nothing I can do about it now but there is plenty I can do about it in the future.

[Gunzwei]

The story DLC's which I consider to be Zaeed, Kasumi, Overlord, and LoSB are well worth the cost because they flesh out the game with a bit more narrative/personality.The other stuff I got for both my own enjoyment and to support the continued quality of the larger DLC.

[Burdokva]

theelementslayer wrote...

Did you actually see the content in LoTSB, it was way worth the money.

-Beautiful voice acting and storyline
-Upgraded AI and enemies
-Improved graphics-the outside of the SB ship.
-Dossiers (everyone had to be written)
-Squad respec
-New power, new squaddie

It was more then just content time, and well I thought it was worth it:wizard:

These two things should have absolutely been implemented in a patch; a free patch. Adding content with DLC is one thing, but charging for game balance tweaks and crucial features such as squad respecialization is an absolutely disgusting practise. I wouldn't be surprised if the next DLCs (LotSB, I won't buy it at EA's ridiculous pricing) fix bugs and bring framerate optimizations.

charmingcharlie wrote...

Christmas Ape ignorantly said .......

Holy hell! You had something nearly sixteen hours after it was possible for someone else to have it? Now that, truly, is suffering. I assume the rest of your income is spent traveling to midnight releases of technology or entertainment goods you desire and camping out on the street up against the door?

Typically narrow minded viewpoint, the problem wasn't the number of hours the problem was the fact by the time I actually got my hands on the DLC I already knew everything about it because of inconsiderate xbox pricks coming into topics spoiling every aspect of the DLC.  A lot of PC gamers were hanging around the forum in the NON spoiler section waiting for news on what was happening, but naturally some xbox users couldn't resist being dicks in those topics.

What can I say, I had to wait 10 days delay to get a pre-ordered CE that didn't ship with the DLCs because EA apparently though people from some countries are stupid enoughnot  to know they exist, and I had to wait another week for the support to send the appropriate codes...

Modifié par Burdokva, 13 septembre 2010 - 06:14 .

[Moondoggie]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Christmas Ape ignorantly said .......

Holy hell! You had something nearly sixteen hours after it was possible for someone else to have it? Now that, truly, is suffering. I assume the rest of your income is spent traveling to midnight releases of technology or entertainment goods you desire and camping out on the street up against the door?

Typically narrow minded viewpoint, the problem wasn't the number of hours the problem was the fact by the time I actually got my hands on the DLC I already knew everything about it because of inconsiderate xbox pricks coming into topics spoiling every aspect of the DLC.  A lot of PC gamers were hanging around the forum in the NON spoiler section waiting for news on what was happening, but naturally some xbox users couldn't resist being dicks in those topics.

Moondoggie wrote ......

So you play it one time then never again do you? I'd wager that people
play the DLC more than once so that adds up to several hours
entertainment. £6 will get you in the cinema to watch a movie once. DLC
is like buying the DVD for £6 you may enjoy it all you want. Also if you
are 40 years old and spend so many hours waiting for a DLC comes out
then cry about it on a forum i feel sad for you. Sure it sucked with the
delay but i had to sleep then go to work so i didn't really notice the
long wait i came home and the problem was solved so i could play it.
Simple. Try getting one of these jobs it's great for momentary screw ups
on game installers that need to be fixed. Maybe then you can afford to
pay £6 for some DLC

I have only played LotSB once so far and whilst I enjoyed it the first time I don't really feel an inclination to replay it again.  There was very little replay value in this DLC, I mean how many times do you really want to sit through Liara whittling away about bloody dog tags ?.  

Again I see the cinema and dvd comparison being thrown in, yeah guess what I happen to think they are rip offs too so I don't bother going to the cinema or buying DVD's.

Now as to that "oh you spent hours on the net and you are 40 years old" I didn't say I spent 18 hours waiting for the DLC I would pop back now and again to see what was happening just like everyone else.  Naturally though you won't accept that and will find any way to excuse the inexcusable.  I find the disparity between xbox customers and PC customers wrong and I know for a fact if xbox users had to wait 18 hours after PC users for this content there would be a hell of a lot more ****ing and Bioware would have done something about it.

Finally at no point did I say "I cannot afford £6" I can easily afford to pay £6 for DLC but I expect to get a fair bit more than under 2 hours of entertainment.  Still it is a lesson learned, so far I have found all the DLC to be disappointing length wise.  I don't feel I got my value for money with this DLC, there is nothing I can do about it now but there is plenty I can do about it in the future.

What? Come on now it's not like it's something they did on purpose. Somebody didn't sit there and think "I don't want PC users to have this DLC. The PC upload is handled differently to X Box where as they had theres handled first PC had to wait a while and in the rush to get it out to a bunch of angry PC users who were upset they had to wait 2 whole hours extra an oversight caused the uploaded file to be corrupted there was a long delay while they worked out exactly what went wrong and how to fix it then upload it to the sever again.

Nobody expected a screw up. They happen. And ****y customers really do not help.

[Kavadas]

theelementslayer wrote...


Did you actually see the content in LoTSB, it was way worth the money.

-Beautiful voice acting and storyline
-Upgraded AI and enemies
-Improved graphics-the outside of the SB ship.
-Dossiers (everyone had to be written)
-Squad respec
-New power, new squaddie

It was more then just content time, and well I thought it was worth it:wizard:

I guess Bethesda's FO3 DLC spoiled me.

They spoiled me again with the G.E.C.K..

[theelementslayer]

Burdokva wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

Did you actually see the content in LoTSB, it was way worth the money.

-Beautiful voice acting and storyline
-Upgraded AI and enemies
-Improved graphics-the outside of the SB ship.
-Dossiers (everyone had to be written)
-Squad respec
-New power, new squaddie

It was more then just content time, and well I thought it was worth it:wizard:

These two things should have absolutely been implemented in a patch; a free patch. Adding content with DLC is one thing, but charging for game balance tweaks and crucial features such as squad respecialization is an absolutely disgusting practise. I wouldn't be surprised if the next DLCs (LotSB, I won't buy it at EA's ridiculous pricing) fix bugs and bring framerate optimizations.

You do realize how hard it is to make enemies act human right? And it isnt a balance issue, the AI in the original game was fine they just improved it, and it only affected the AI for the mission. As for the squad respec its like buying a weapons pack. You dont need it, Ive played through the game alot without needing it, however its nice to have.

[Christmas Ape]

So is Bioware to blame because some people on the internet are complete and total knob-ends? Because if so they have a lot to answer for. Or is it for creating such an engrossing and lively forum for discussion that there was absolutely no way you were not going to browse around for a few hours while 360 players, who if half the forum griping is to be believed are completely devoid of impulse control, critical thought, or a primary school education, played through the content and in a completely foreseeable act of either ignorance or bad manners spoiled it in the wrong forums?

[Jamin101]

i havent done the shadow broker yet as im not that far into my new playthrough but i just beat overlord this weekend. Love the plot of it, good cut scenes, good voice. felt like the price could have been a third of what it was. Over half the level is standing out of range and shooting rockets at turrets and collecting data which is not fun, like the mako i almost wish it just wasnt there. So for me overload was like 30 minutes of gameplay on hardcore. I had to spend 21 bucks to buy it and the shadow broker which seems steep for 90 minutes of content

[Whatever42]

Kavadas wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...


Did you actually see the content in LoTSB, it was way worth the money.

-Beautiful voice acting and storyline
-Upgraded AI and enemies
-Improved graphics-the outside of the SB ship.
-Dossiers (everyone had to be written)
-Squad respec
-New power, new squaddie

It was more then just content time, and well I thought it was worth it:wizard:

I guess Bethesda's FO3 DLC spoiled me.

They spoiled me again with the G.E.C.K..

Fallout 3's expansions were add-on packs that cost twice as much (cheaper now obviously). And Bioware and Bethesda produce different types of games: Fallout produces more content in an open world while Bioware's games are shorter, more cinematic and story driven. I think its comparing apples to oranges.  Fortunately, for myself, I love apples and oranges and don't want to live on a diet of just one or the other.

[Whatever42]

charmingcharlie wrote...
I have only played LotSB once so far and whilst I enjoyed it the first time I don't really feel an inclination to replay it again.  There was very little replay value in this DLC, I mean how many times do you really want to sit through Liara whittling away about bloody dog tags ?.  

Again I see the cinema and dvd comparison being thrown in, yeah guess what I happen to think they are rip offs too so I don't bother going to the cinema or buying DVD's.

Now as to that "oh you spent hours on the net and you are 40 years old" I didn't say I spent 18 hours waiting for the DLC I would pop back now and again to see what was happening just like everyone else.  Naturally though you won't accept that and will find any way to excuse the inexcusable.  I find the disparity between xbox customers and PC customers wrong and I know for a fact if xbox users had to wait 18 hours after PC users for this content there would be a hell of a lot more ****ing and Bioware would have done something about it.

Finally at no point did I say "I cannot afford £6" I can easily afford to pay £6 for DLC but I expect to get a fair bit more than under 2 hours of entertainment.  Still it is a lesson learned, so far I have found all the DLC to be disappointing length wise.  I don't feel I got my value for money with this DLC, there is nothing I can do about it now but there is plenty I can do about it in the future.

Ok, so you don't think movies and dlc are good uses of your entertainment dollars. Thats fine; a perfectly acceptable and understandable attitude.  Most ME2 players will not be purchasing the DLC so I would even go as far as saying that you are in the majority.

However, they are not making this for you then. They are making it for me because I and tens or hundreds of thousands of others will pay them the money to produce higher cost content (higher cost because its piecemeal).  This is a purely balance sheet equation for Bioware and EA. If they can make money creating and selling content then they will. If they can make more money by lowering the price then they will. Its nothing personal.

If you want the best bang for your buck, don't buy new and get DLC, wait a year+ after release and get the game with all add-ons for cheaper than the orginal price of the game. The market accomodates everyone. And this applies to all goods  and services, from movies to iphones. Bioware/EA is using the same model most of the market uses, because it works.

I personally think that being able to develop DLC like Overlord and Lair will make ME3 a better game. Bioware programmers will get to find out what works and what doesn't and take those forward. For example, they got to try out the hammerhead. They found out that we really hated whole suits of armor.

Its fine to post that you think its too expensive but you just sound so bitter about it.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 13 septembre 2010 - 07:27 .

[Iehoa0083]

I don' t think the DLCs are too expensive, I mean of course I do wish they could be cheaper, like everything else, but I think they are within reason up until this point.



Now, as for delivery method or model...they did F up the pc version when the LOTSB came out, there's no going around about it. But I think the problem was cause by human error instead of a problem with the delivery method. You know, ****s happen and I hope they will be more careful next time. I mean at least check it before you put it out there...

[Code_R]

Okay so I wanted to play something new and got the DLC....



Kasumi wasnt worth it, Overlord was. I hope the Shadow Broker is even better ...

[Malanek]

Kasumi and Overlord were worth it. LotSB was easily worth it. So far I have been pleasantly surprised with the ME2 DLC. The DA DLC has been a little disapointing although I only tried Witch Hunt, Return to Ostagar and Shale.

[ShadoX_LV]

Well, it certainly isn't a money problem.. I just recently got some spare money so that I could afford all of the DLC easily , but it still seems like a waste of money to me.. :S Which is the reason why I'm still waiting for a GOTY version... :/

[ScotGaymer]

Kavadas wrote...

I guess Bethesda's FO3 DLC spoiled me.

They spoiled me again with the G.E.C.K..

In the words of Kallocain on the Paradox forums - "I disagree so much im going to have to close this thread." 

Lol.

Obv I cant close it but thats how much I disagree with your statement.

I think Bioware's DLC on the whole is better than Bethesda's; not only that but they actually support their games and DLC post release. Bethesda doesnt.

The only FO3 DLC that is worth the "money" is Broken Steel - and even then ONLY for the level cap increase. Following on from the appallingly bad main quest in Fallout 3 the DLCs all have just as appallingly bad writing and story lines in them, not to mention being too short for what you pay for them. Mothership Zeta is the best of the DLCs in that sense and even then its short and its also kind of cliche and out of place in the Fallout universe.

Add to the fact that Bethesda doesnt support their games or DLC in anything beyond a token way. They simply stick their fingers in their ears and go "la la la we're not listening. la la la theres nothing wrong here." in regards of existing game bugs in game and in DLC. Its really actually pretty much a total slap in the face to their loyal community.
I dont want to get into the reams of bugs that still existin in FO3 and its DLCs here cos it would be totally off topic; but the fact that we are what 7(?) patches into FO3 and we still have in excess of 400 seperate bugs, some of them still causing CTDs and or rendering the game unplayable (example the bugs where NPCs/PC can rocket up into the sky or fall through the world inexplicably necessitating a reload in some cases) is utterly appalling as far as I am concerned. I used to be a total Bethesda fan boy until Fallout 3 came out and I realised just how badly they supported their games.

Bioware arent perfect but they make the effort to listen to and engage with the community; they make the effort to support their games post release; and they make the effort to ensure they are releasing a mostly stable product prior to release. And you cant even compare the storylines and writing in Bioware games/dlc to Bethesda's. Bioware actually has a professional writing staff whereas Bethesda's developers just knock up whatever pops into their heads according to the Rule of Cool (and that was from one of their lead developers very own mouth/finger tips).

The only, ONLY, reason that Bethesda games and DLCs arent total disasters and dont get panned at every single review site out there is because the caveat that Bethesda has userfriendly toolsets and a strong modding community fixing the games and DLC for them. The GECK, and the TCS, is what saves them. Modders and their community is what pulls them out of the red and into the black.
People only buy Bethesda games because they are moddable and they know that modders will ultimately fix what Bethesda broke.  Its the only reason I bought FO3 after MW and OB; and its the only reason ill buy New Vegas after FO3 (though Obsidian developed New Vegas so it might not suck as much on release).

Sorry I have gotten off onto a total tangent. but I think bethesda games have the potential to be the best RPGs EVER. And the bad writing, and consistent lack of support just lets me down so badly. I should say though I do like FO3 and its DLCs (in a gameplay sense even tho the storylines and writing suck) and can play the game pretty close to unmodded (unlike OB and MW where I just cant even play the vanilla games cos while the storylines and writing are half decent the gameplay wasnt as good as in FO3, Bethesda seemed to trade one for the other). I just dont agree with the assertion that they do a better job than Bioware.

EDIT:
Yikes just noticed the size of this post. Damn I extolled a rather large rant. Sorry guys. lol.

Malanek999 wrote...

Kasumi and Overlord were worth it.
LotSB was easily worth it. So far I have been pleasantly surprised with
the ME2 DLC. The DA DLC has been a little disapointing although I only
tried Witch Hunt, Return to Ostagar and Shale.

I dont totally agree.

Both games have DLC that made me go "are you seriously kidding me wanting to charge me for this?"

Case and point. ME2 = alternate appearance pack 1 (glorified retexture pack). DAO = Feastday Pack.(I mean really? DA isnt an MMO! I mean, hello? who had that brainwave?)

But I do agree they seem to be trying a little harder with the ME2 DLC. Maybe to compensate for the lack of toolset?

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 14 septembre 2010 - 01:40 .