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[PARAGON87]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

That's odd... All of the DLC I have says it works for both PC & Xbox 360, and although I'm playing the 360 Version, it gives me an option on my "Your Registered Game Promotions" screen to download all of that DLC a 2nd time to my PC for use with the PC Version.

Well you should be able to download the Collector Armor/Weapon, Dr. Pepper Promotions, and Terminus/Inferno Armors & Blackstorm for both platforms because the preorder code to unlock them isn't console-specific.  Though it is strange how Overlord & Kasumi would be available for both consoles other than paying a combined 1120 MS/BW points x2.

Modifié par PARAGON87, 21 août 2010 - 03:32 .

[CatatonicMan]

When you compare the cost:content ratios of the full game and the DLC, you will find that the DLC is massively overpriced - probably anywhere from 1.5 to 2 times what it really should cost.

They can get away with overcharging for it because people view ten $5 purchases far more leniently than one $50 purchase. It's a simple and easily exploitable way of gouging the consumer without most people even noticing.

Modifié par CatatonicMan, 21 août 2010 - 04:51 .

[Poaches]

micro-transactions. It was* the new rage in digital entrainment economics.

No point in debating if its gouging the consumer or not however; as in all capitalism, everyone will always convince themselves they deserve more.

That said, when they put out great work it shouldn't go without recognition... except when it sucks. Like *ahem* horse armor.

Modifié par Poaches, 21 août 2010 - 05:56 .

[Stillwater]

Considering Mass Effect is one of my favourite games franchises ever, paying 5-10 bucks for a substantial addition to the game feels well worth it. Plus, I think DLC tends to be less pirated, so it's a good opportunity for Bioware to ensure decent profits, which ensures good budgets for future games and enables them to take more creative risks. As a PC gamer, the consequences of widespread piracy are especially worrying to me. As long as DLC adds some quality content, and not just a suit of armour or whatever, I'm more than happy to pay the current prices for it.

[Burdokva]

They cost as much as a diner outside and between a third and half of what I paid for the CE, pre-ordering. Plus, there's always the chance it won't work due to some regional locks, etc. So, no thanks.

[Darth Drago]

Personally getting about 2 hours of game play at best with the mission packs are not to badly priced if you expect and like nothing but short diversions. As entertaining as they may be, that’s all they are just short diversions. Diversions that are not even fully voiced when it comes to your squad and the Normandy crew, just the standard basic replies you have heard before.

Your usually not getting much extra in these things. Compare these downloads to what you get in downloads for other games (Borderlands, Fallout 3, Resident Evil 5 or even a full games like Hydro Thunder from X-box live) with concern to price and content and you might start seeing that these low prices are really not worth it at all. Even when they cost a little more, a lot of them give you a ton more content in them from raising the level cap, new weapons and armor and several new maps/areas for missions.

Others like Koie with Dynasty Warriors 6: Empires game had 4 costume packs (with each pack consisting of 2 male and 2 female costumes) that were free and they were all released every two weeks. Here at BioWare we still haven’t heard a word on the second Alternate Appearance Pack yet and its been several months since the first one came out.

Why not load up Overlord for example, with 1 or 2 N7 armor piece and put that Geth shotgun in it (instead of putting that gun in a weapon pack you need to buy separately)?

Look at Lair of the Shadow Broker. Not only is it getting the 2 hour mission treatment ( I expected it to be a lot bigger) but all of the new weapons that we see in the screen shots were sold separately in the Firepower Pack. I guess adding them in the Shadow Broker download would have been to tough right?

I’m not to fond of these weapon, armor and the alternate but reskinned appearance packs when they could have been added in these mission downloads. It seems like a cheap tactic to get us to spend money on a few little things that should have been added in these mission downloads. With the masters (EA) calling the shots on these things its not surprising to see their nickel and diming tactics at work with their new cash cow.

All I can say for sure is at least with ME2 we are getting better overall quality with new locations that you can play in each time you play ME2 instead of the reused location treatment crap with quests that are stand alone and outside of the main game as well as with all the bugs they come with that we get with Dragon Age.

Modifié par Darth Drago, 21 août 2010 - 07:37 .

[Kriztaen]

Hmm...well to be honest I felt Kasumi was worth it, her personal mission was fun (and I got a new casual outfit for it too) overall she is a cool character and my only complaint is that with her hood and Shadow Strike she makes my Mechanic with his pet Drone seem a bit uncool/dorky hehe.

Overlord was worth it for me and then some. It was a very nice changeup (and I finally got to truly abuse my maxed AI Hacking) also the ending evoked some emotions/reactions that I have not really gotten from any DLC from any other games before (maybe a full game, but never a DLC).

I was honestly disturbed by the ending (in a satisfied gamer sorta way if you get my drift).

Overall it was worth it. Equalizer Pack was nearly not worth it, the Archon Visor pretty much sold me on it though (I still struggle to choose between the Archon Visor and Recon Hood). The only DLC I did not really feel too great about was the Cerberus Weapon & Armor, but thats just cause I prefer the customized N7 and don't use shotguns, but I use the shotgun on party members so I still got some worth out of it anyway.

Overall I would say ME2 almost has *too many* DLCs, but that is moot point considering I was satisfied with them all.

Also just as a final comparison I spend more money on my coffee everyday compared to almost any DLC which are what? Maximum two smaller ones a month or one large one? All in all it amounts to nothing.

Modifié par Kriztaen, 21 août 2010 - 07:46 .

[Code_R]

The answer is yes.

[Jackal13th]

i don't think that it is too expensive .

[moh989]

I bought ME2 for £15, so £10 for the two story add ons seems too much IMO

[Tazzmission]

: looks at all the money spent on cigarettes and looks at me2 dlc prices: nope if anything the dlc is cheaper than smoking

[Jigero]

well yea it seems alot when you have no job and have to use mommy's credit card.

Hell going to get lunch at Burger King costs more then DLC.

Modifié par Jigero, 21 août 2010 - 03:30 .

[Count Viceroy]

I don't think the money it self is the problem many are having, its the belief that it's content that should be free on principle. Things like kasumi and zaeed particularly, as they are main features cut from the game and given/sold away as dlc to prevent second hand sales.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 21 août 2010 - 03:33 .

[Tazzmission]

Jigero wrote...

well yea it seems alot when you have no job and have to use mommy's credit card.

Hell going to get lunch at Burger King costs more then DLC.

this is just another ****** and moan  thread because people are never happy. i mean jesus christ when me1 came out it took what a year for 2 dlcs to be released and now we get dlc every 2 months for me2 and people still complain. this isnt torwards you jigeo but seriously all the people who think me2 was bad or the dlc is overpriced ok fine your entitled to your opinions but honestly can any of these so called me fans do any better if given the chance to work on the franchise?

[Jigero]

Count Viceroy wrote...

I don't think the money it self is the problem many are having, its the belief that it's content that should be free on principle. Things like kasumi and zaeed particularly, as they are main features cut from the game and given/sold away as dlc to prevent second hand sales.

No they wheren't, yet another person who's bought into a bull**** conspiracy theory.

Zomg AUDIO FILES AND FRAGMENTS OF DATA MEANS IT WAS CUT!

No it just means the data fragments where placed in to make the game able to fit the character and the Audio was from Early in the production cycle when Audio is noramlly done was throw on the disc because they had room.

If you want an example of a character cut from a bioware game then put back in as DLC look at Shale from DA:O, his intergration with the rest of the characters is seemless while Kasumi and Zaeed are Obvious Tack ons.

[Sparda Stonerule]

Tazzmission wrote...

Jigero wrote...

well yea it seems alot when you have no job and have to use mommy's credit card.

Hell going to get lunch at Burger King costs more then DLC.

this is just another ****** and moan  thread because people are never happy. i mean jesus christ when me1 came out it took what a year for 2 dlcs to be released and now we get dlc every 2 months for me2 and people still complain. this isnt torwards you jigeo but seriously all the people who think me2 was bad or the dlc is overpriced ok fine your entitled to your opinions but honestly can any of these so called me fans do any better if given the chance to work on the franchise?

It's true, some people are never happy. Some people love to complain. I think the DLC is worth it. I've been making a character of every class and have played through the game at least 6 times already. I'm probably going to go through it another 6 times so I can make my "perfect" files with each class. So for the amount I paid for the DLC I got a good value out of it. Obviously the more you play it the better the value is. I would agree that I'm not the standard, but most standard players don't buy any of the DLC anyway. That being said I bought all the DLC, RPG's are one of the few game genres I buy DLC for because I know I'll eventually go back and play the game again. I can not say the same for pure shooters.

That being said you really do have a choice. You can ignore them, get them right away, or wait to get them when it fits into your budget. So no I can't say they are overpriced. I know everyone wants everything to be cheaper, but if it were it wouldn't be profitable, and this content would have never been made. I don't mind paying more to get more out of a game I love.

[Count Viceroy]

Jigero wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

I don't think the money it self is the problem many are having, its the belief that it's content that should be free on principle. Things like kasumi and zaeed particularly, as they are main features cut from the game and given/sold away as dlc to prevent second hand sales.

No they wheren't, yet another person who's bought into a bull**** conspiracy theory.

Zomg AUDIO FILES AND FRAGMENTS OF DATA MEANS IT WAS CUT!

No it just means the data fragments where placed in to make the game able to fit the character and the Audio was from Early in the production cycle when Audio is noramlly done was throw on the disc because they had room.

If you want an example of a character cut from a bioware game then put back in as DLC look at Shale from DA:O, his intergration with the rest of the characters is seemless while Kasumi and Zaeed are Obvious Tack ons.

yes it was, it's part of EA's new strategy to prevent second hand sales where they gain zero profit. Mainly in the us. And don't jump down my throat with Ea hater and conspiratory ideas. I never said I didn't support DLC's. I'm just saying this is how it is. Look at any game released by EA as of late. Mass effect, Dragon age. Battlefield Bad company are just examples. By limiting stuff like the cerberus network and the dlc they provide to one code only usage, it forces anyone who buys the game second hand to go out and buy a new code to access the dlc stuff. It's brilliant really.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 21 août 2010 - 04:27 .

[Kriztaen]

I don't mind the DLCs, all of them have brought me at least one thing I like, even the ones that seem useless do add little things that I noticed I end up using often enough (almost taking for granted)

Also, I doubt there are many people here that play the game once through then never touch it again but come on the forums. So for those complaining, please consider the fact that the content you bought is likely something you are using even more than you might realize.

And it has already pretty much been stated to death but once more for good measure: Many little things that we spend money on daily that are not neccessary parts of life cost more than the DLC's we pay for maybe once to maximum twice a month when they come out.

Edit: I agree to a degree with what Count Viceroy stated about it being a good strategy. Though not done as much here in Switzerland, when I was living in the UK second hand games were pretty much one of the highest selling things in games stores.

Modifié par Kriztaen, 21 août 2010 - 04:35 .

[theelementslayer]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Jigero wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

I don't think the money it self is the problem many are having, its the belief that it's content that should be free on principle. Things like kasumi and zaeed particularly, as they are main features cut from the game and given/sold away as dlc to prevent second hand sales.

No they wheren't, yet another person who's bought into a bull**** conspiracy theory.

Zomg AUDIO FILES AND FRAGMENTS OF DATA MEANS IT WAS CUT!

No it just means the data fragments where placed in to make the game able to fit the character and the Audio was from Early in the production cycle when Audio is noramlly done was throw on the disc because they had room.

If you want an example of a character cut from a bioware game then put back in as DLC look at Shale from DA:O, his intergration with the rest of the characters is seemless while Kasumi and Zaeed are Obvious Tack ons.

yes it was, it's part of EA's new strategy to prevent second hand sales where they gain zero profit. Mainly in the us. And don't jump down my throat with Ea hater and conspiratory ideas. I never said I didn't support DLC's. I'm just saying this is how it is. Look at any game released by EA as of late. Mass effect, Dragon age. Battlefield Bad company are just examples. By limiting stuff like the cerberus network and the dlc they provide to one code only usage, it forces anyone who buys the game second hand to go out and buy a new code to access the dlc stuff. It's brilliant really.

Its not a conspiracy or anything its just good business. And face it ME2, dragon age, MW2, JC2, any game with DLC was still a full game before the DLC was put in. Is it part of EA's business plan, sure It makes money. Does it stop second hand sales, dont think so. But its a business and they want to make a profit. Even if it is cut content ( I dont personally think it is, the stuff we paid for that is) the games still function fine without it. Its not like its missing the end boss battle and we have to pay 10 bucks for that. And Zaheed cannot be used as an argument, it was part of the game and cut because they didnt have time before the code was compiled, however they gave it to us for free via the Cerberus network.

In answer no DLC is not too expensive, its worth it. If you dont want it dont buy it, but I highly doubt that the devs said alrgiht now lets cut 10 hours of content and sit on it then sell it back to the people.

[CatatonicMan]

Stillwater wrote...

Considering Mass Effect is one of my favourite games franchises ever, paying 5-10 bucks for a substantial addition to the game feels well worth it. Plus, I think DLC tends to be less pirated, so it's a good opportunity for Bioware to ensure decent profits, which ensures good budgets for future games and enables them to take more creative risks. As a PC gamer, the consequences of widespread piracy are especially worrying to me. As long as DLC adds some quality content, and not just a suit of armour or whatever, I'm more than happy to pay the current prices for it.

Actually DLC would tend to be more pirated than the main game, not less.

Anyone with an illegal copy would probably also infringe the DLC. People with legit copies might also infringe the DLC if they wanted to play them but didn't want to support the whole microtransaction business model.

[ShadoX_LV]

Tazzmission wrote...

Jigero wrote...

well yea it seems alot when you have no job and have to use mommy's credit card.

Hell going to get lunch at Burger King costs more then DLC.

this is just another ****** and moan  thread because people are never happy. i mean jesus christ when me1 came out it took what a year for 2 dlcs to be released and now we get dlc every 2 months for me2 and people still complain. this isnt torwards you jigeo but seriously all the people who think me2 was bad or the dlc is overpriced ok fine your entitled to your opinions but honestly can any of these so called me fans do any better if given the chance to work on the franchise?

You just have to remember that people who complaing about no DLC probably aren't the same people complaining about overpriced DLC.. because chances are that they are willing to pay for it no matter what...

Personally I have mixed feelings about DLC. Coming from the PC where I mostly only played Valve games which get DLC for free.. I'm fine with DLC as longas its not too expensive..

But sometimes I really wish that there was no DLC at all.. at last regarding the one that costs money.. I would much rather just get everything in the box, rather then getting something later that I have to pay for.. again..

I can see why people like DLC because its just more game for them, but a lot of the DLC is most of the time too expensive.. Heck, who in their right mind bought those 4 maps for COD4 for $15..

It would be nice if BW at last did some kind of deal, where they sell all the DLC released so far for a fixed price thats actually lower then what you would pay for everything seperately..

Or just release a GOTY version that already includes all the DLC..

[Kriztaen]

ShadoX_LV wrote...

I can see why people like DLC because its just more game for them, but a lot of the DLC is most of the time too expensive.. Heck, who in their right mind bought those 4 maps for COD4 for $15..

It would be nice if BW at last did some kind of deal, where they sell all the DLC released so far for a fixed price thats actually lower then what you would pay for everything seperately..

Or just release a GOTY version that already includes all the DLC..

Totally agree on the idea of all at once for a discount and the GotY (which i think is a good possibility once ME2 hits the 1 year anniversary)

Also on the CoD thing....got me stumped there. I can't stand that game... and it has been banned from my house.

[KainrycKarr]

Jigero wrote...

well yea it seems alot when you have no job and have to use mommy's credit card.

Hell going to get lunch at Burger King costs more then DLC.

[phatpat63]

Would any of you have paid $130 for ME2?

The DLC cost that much per hour of content, and for content that has a lower production value than that of the main game. That's not even taking into consideration the fact that EA/Bioware gets less than 30% of the $50-$70 you paid for your ME2 disk(http://games.ign.com...8/708972p1.html), and more than 95% of the $7 you paid for Kasumi or Overlord.

People suck at math and economic reasoning, check out this link or google "idiot tax" for examples.

If the content in Kasumi or Overlord had been priced comparably to that of the main game they would have cost 3 bucks, and without the cost of manufacture, distribution, and retail EA/Bioware would still earn a better profit margin on DLC than the principle game.

If less people acted like this is anything other than money hats ripping off people who are dedicated, rich, or foolish enough to shell out for it anyway they might actually be incentivized to set a more equitable price for the post-release content.

Modifié par phatpat63, 22 août 2010 - 03:05 .