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[Spartas Husky]

They are. hence why they are only reasonable in a big package of 70 bucks, with original game included.



10 bucks is reasonable for a complete game and all dlc's included.

[djarlaks10]

Hm I've bought a tank figurine from l4d2 game for 300 bucks. So no the ME DLC is not expensive...

[Destructo-Bot]

I really, really, really don't like seeing major plot points being resolved in DLC. The Liara & Shadowbroker thing should be handled in ME3... not as a paid download after the fact for ME2. Maybe for ME3 they can split off the end of the game as a $10 download! Or every loyalty mission is NOW DLC! Don't want everyone to die? Just buy all 12 DLC loyalty packs for $7 a piece (available only 6 months after you've finished the game)...

I can kind of understand DLC like weapons and armor... but adding characters and resolving plot lines AFTER the fact... No, I really despise where this is going.

Oh yea, almost forgot this one too... it's Dragon Age but it's also related to my previous post. They have the "Witch Hunt" DLC coming out that seems to address what happens to Morrigan after she leaves at the end of Dragon Age... again resolving plot points in paid DLC! So this will be twice now where you don't get the whole story unless you pay money over top of the base game. I used to buy their games full price, but if this continues I'm either going to wait for sale/bargain bins or not buy them at all because they are turning their games into $50 ($60 for the extra special version!) + $10 x various DLCs.

If they must do the DLC thing, then if you drop the cash up front full price for the "Special Collectors" edition, it should automatically include future paid DLCs. In other words if you buy the regular version or one on sale you pay for future DLC, but if you preorder/buy the Collectors edition on release then any released DLC is automatically given to you. I'm not actually suggesting that as something I would want, but it would be a compromise I suppose.

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 05 septembre 2010 - 08:50 .

[chessplayer209]

IMO the problem with DLCs isn't the price, its that they don't auto-install for me through Steam like anything else I purchase would. If the DLCs were available on Steam like anything else to purchase, I could definitely go for them. Love the Mass Effect series and I wish there was more of them to play. Got Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 Digital Deluxe on Steam.

I want DLCs I get to be playable through the same EXE as my Steam copy of Mass Effect 2, and they should be auto-installed there when I purchase them along with the game.  I don't want to have to download 5 different things just to play different missions in a single game I purchased... that's just ridiculous. This is one reason I often wait for the GOTY edition to become available... just so I have all my DLCs in one neat little package that installs more or less automatically.

Modifié par chessplayer209, 05 septembre 2010 - 08:55 .

[grim_reaper_13]

Well for me all the DLC's are worth their money.
I have all the of them .
Well whith 4 completed playthroughs and 2 more at least on the way i dont really care about the price.
Lets say Overlord is 3 hours long.I have already played 4 times thats 12 hours so for me thats a good bang for my cash

[Kronner]

My issue with DLCs these days (Mafia II is a great example) is that it is content that SHOULD HAVE been in the game, but is cut and then sold separately. Fook companies like that. I will not pay for such DLC.

[Spartas Husky]

djarlaks10 wrote...

Hm I've bought a tank figurine from l4d2 game for 300 bucks. So no the ME DLC is not expensive...

for those who  have the money is not expensive... for others who are in less than reasonable budgets it is.

So like it was said before, for those who dont mind burning cash it isn't expensive, for those who want more bang for their buck it is.

[Vargeisa]

Spuudle wrote...

Destructo-Bot wrote...

I really, really, really don't like seeing major plot points being resolved in DLC. The Liara & Shadowbroker thing should be handled in ME3... not as a paid download after the fact for ME2. Maybe for ME3 they can split off the end of the game as a $10 download! Or every loyalty mission is NOW DLC! Don't want everyone to die? Just buy all 12 DLC loyalty packs for $7 a piece (available only 6 months after you've finished the game)...

I can kind of understand DLC like weapons and armor... but adding characters and resolving plot lines AFTER the fact... No, I really despise where this is going.

Oh yea, almost forgot this one too... it's Dragon Age but it's also related to my previous post. They have the "Witch Hunt" DLC coming out that seems to address what happens to Morrigan after she leaves at the end of Dragon Age... again resolving plot points in paid DLC! So this will be twice now where you don't get the whole story unless you pay money over top of the base game. I used to buy their games full price, but if this continues I'm either going to wait for sale/bargain bins or not buy them at all because they are turning their games into $50 ($60 for the extra special version!) + $10 x various DLCs.

If they must do the DLC thing, then if you drop the cash up front full price for the "Special Collectors" edition, it should automatically include future paid DLCs. In other words if you buy the regular version or one on sale you pay for future DLC, but if you preorder/buy the Collectors edition on release then any released DLC is automatically given to you. I'm not actually suggesting that as something I would want, but it would be a compromise I suppose.

That is a really fantastic point.  Now most of the PDLC I have got, I have bought willingly at a fait price to extend my enjoyment of a said game.  However, when this PDLC is now moving into the main story line, and actually resolving major plot issues, it becomes something else entirely.  It almost as if, if you want to conclude the story yourself, you have to buy it. That is not right, and i'll go as far as saying it is an abuse of the very people that keep them going.

I agree. It's a shame they're pretending to be doing us a favor by adding these 'bridging DLC' when all they are doing is doing themselves a favor by not having to add and resolve these storylines in ME3.
ME1 fans can't really afford not to buy LotSB really. And whatever other of these bridging DLC will arrive.

[Joe Dono]

I spend more at Starbucks every month on Coffee so a £5/6 DLC isnt that bad.

[Vena_86]

I want to stress how week the implementation of DLC is into the overall game. Weapons and armor just are there from the beginning for example, even when it makes no sense. How did you get the collectors armor in ME2? How does my castless dwarf, living in poverty start with highest tier equipment in the inventory in Dragon Age? And why are missions available at a time where it makes no sense and totally throws of the difficulty balance. Not to mention the completely messed up balance that comes with armor/weapon DLC.

Furthermore, some DLC is also completely out of place and appears like some young modder tried to do something cool with complete disregard for the lore and art design of the overall game. Examples would be the alternate appearance pack for ME2 or the blood dragon armor for Dragon Age with neon red glow (made me exit the game and download an actual mod to fix the armor that looks like a cheap mod, irony).



An example for good implementation of DLC is "bring down the sky" for ME1. It really feels like a part of the game and you stumble uppon it like most other missions.

That should be the example to follow, not the cheap way it happens now.

[Siegdrifa]

TimtheEnchanter wrote...

I agree. It's a shame they're pretending to be doing us a favor by adding these 'bridging DLC' when all they are doing is doing themselves a favor by not having to add and resolve these storylines in ME3.
ME1 fans can't really afford not to buy LotSB really. And whatever other of these bridging DLC will arrive.

I agree too and it sound "border line", but i still find it "okay" in this case because the main purpuse of ME2 is to take on the collector, and tha's what we get, it would have been a totaly different story if the suicide mission was release as a DLC.
Here we have a DLC about a character ...

And if they want to link the story to ME3, i prefer to see it as regular DLC than a bigger add on released in 6 month if the amount of game produced and the price is nearly the same (only my opinion here).

I find Witch Hunter a lot more border line, okay in DAO we deal with the archdemon, but i was a lot more intrigued by what happen to Morrigan than what Liara is doing in ME2. I felt a real emptyness, a real "part missing".

[Destructo-Bot]

I'm glad to see I'm not the only person frustrated and annoyed with the path Bioware is taking with paid DLC. Plot lines should NOT be addressed in paid DLC!

[Onyx Jaguar]

Better to make DLC relevant and worthy of a purchase rather than something easily disregarded and thrown away. Pretty much like episodic expansions to an extent.

[Kamagawa]

A company can only sell a product for how much the customer wishes to pay for it. If no-one was buying it, then they would make it cheaper.

In my opinion, the kasumi and overlord DLC should have been 400ms points each, but I don't want the overlord DLC and I was willing to pay 520 ms points for kasumi.

As for the new bridging DLCs, I think the lowest they should sell for is 600ms points and no more than 800ms points. Though I think they should be free, Bioware wil probably need to put info about the bridging DLC into ME3 because not every country has fast, cheap internet. By that logic, people who can download the bridging DLC are essentialy getting a piece of ME3 before it comes out.

Modifié par Kamagawa, 06 septembre 2010 - 10:43 .

[Kroesis-]

I've purchased all the ME2 DLC's (sans costumes) and personally, each of them have been worth the cost to me. I'm on a tight budget with my family but even so, I can afford the few pounds it takes just to extend the lifetime of the game. So far I've started a new Shep every time a new DLC comes out and play that DLC with all my pre-existing and newly started Sheps so it's not just a single playthrough.



If the DLC can set up ME3 so that ME3 takes less time explaining whats happened and more time with the story, all the better imo.

[Slashice]

I would even pay double prize for the Shadow Broker DLC to make it run on my localized Central-EU version... So no, not expensive.

[Mister Mida]

Compared to DLC of other games I find ME2's DLC prices rather good. But overall DLC is overpriced.

[Daiyus]

They're certainly of more value than a lot of DLC's. Even the weapon packs are worth it if you replay a lot. The only debatable one is the Apperance pack, but even that costs no more than a cup of coffee.



I can understand people having an issue with "bridging" DLC as it does give the sense that you have to buy it to get the full story. But on the other hand people have described Overlord as a completely pointless so not worth the money, no matter how good it was as a standalone mission. BioWare can't seem to win.



Let's be honest, people were complaining about the DLC they were given for free. There are people who will always have an issue with any DLC, who will never be happy until they're given everything on a silver platter for nothing.



I choose to buy all the DLCs becuase I can afford it and I spend most of my gaming time playing Mass Effect. If you don't feel they're worth it simply don't buy it.

[Christmas Ape]

No. Get a job.



They're a luxury good, and thus the only pricing consideration should be getting maximum return, balancing the most dollars per DLC against the price at which the most people would buy it. This model encourages the production of further DLC, and is thus better for everyone it's relevant to in the long run.

[Destructo-Bot]

Daiyus wrote...

...I can understand people having an issue with "bridging" DLC as it does give the sense that you have to buy it to get the full story. But on the other hand people have described Overlord as a completely pointless so not worth the money, no matter how good it was as a standalone mission. BioWare can't seem to win...

Inarborat wrote...

...If you think plot shouldn't be extended via DLC, don't buy it...

Mass Effect isn't really a game that lends itself to DLC. They are trying to shoehorn DLC where it doesn't really fit. Some games work great with DLC, like Defense Grid and some don't. They see money to be made and don't ask themselves if it is the right path to take. Games have gotta have DLC now because there's money to be had. And you know what, that's FINE! But when you are holding the STORY ITSELF ransom with DLC, that's ****ed!

These days companies have to "value-add and upsell" everything. You walk into the store to buy a laptop and they'll hound you to buy the Extended Warranty, the file transfer cable, Microsoft Office, antivirus, screen cleaners, a laptop case, a cooling mat, an external hard drive. A friend goes to a retail store to buy a laptop and that's what he hears, when he doesn't want any of that they tell him the laptop is out of stock. So he goes across town to the same retailer in a different location and he askes straight up if they have it in stock as soon as he walks in and they say, "No, but our system shows (the store you just came from) has at least 2 in stock." He says that they just sent him away saying they didn't and the manager there tells him that the sales manager at that store is known for telling people who don't buy the "add-ons" that what they want isn't in stock so that they can meet their add-on quotas and margins set by corporate.

How does this relate here? It seems the way Bioware is going is that if you don't buy the add-ons now, you no longer get the whole story. They just parceled out two major plot issues from their two biggest games (Lair of the Shadow Broker & Witch Hunt) and are selling the rest of the story to them separately. If you don't buy the addons, you don't get to finish the story you started.

That is NOT a customer oriented business tactic, that's a line-our-pockets move.

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 06 septembre 2010 - 06:01 .

[curly haired boy]

Destructo-Bot wrote...

I'm glad to see I'm not the only person frustrated and annoyed with the path Bioware is taking with paid DLC. Plot lines should NOT be addressed in paid DLC!

i don't mind plot lines being addressed in paid DLC.

however, if a developer does decide to go that route, they HAVE to make that DLC available for all platforms that the original game was released on.

Ubisoft screwed me over with the Prince of Persia Epilogue DLC (didn't release it for PC - i would have purchased it but noooo they didn't even give me a chance), and i've hated them ever since.

so as long as we don't get console-exclusive or PC-exclusive DLC, then i'm fine.