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[Christmas Ape]

I see entitlement has reared its head.

Given Mass Effect 3 will, arguably, again be about Shepard, shouldn't it be free too? Aren't they just "holding the story for ransom" by making you pay for it?

Human civilization does not owe you luxury goods just because you live in the developed world. You purchased some story. If you'd like more of it - content which did not exist when you bought the earlier installment - you can pay for it. Dessert's not free just because you enjoyed dinner.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Almost turning into an  " Off Topic"  event here but...

Its not just Bio Ware but practically everyone that's utilizing Downloaded Content.

This is going to be the new way you'll be forced to buy things at the retail price I'm afraid, at the moment, a DLC is a nice add on that can extend a game... but later on?  I'm afraid its a game player's trojan horse. You'll find that your DLC is really code activation for programs that already exist within your purchaced game... its just not accessable unless you pay extra for it to be triggered.  

Its sort of like an anti-piracy mechanism in a way, only in this case, the " piracy"  is seen as individuals buying things used --- because when you buy things used...  " the house looses"  ( Casino talk there).  Same with PC games now --- where your afforded x number of downloads before its useless.

So in the case of say  Assassins Creed II, you should note that there are memory bars that exist in your orginal CD but they aren't accessable until after you buy the DLC... but they are there.  Your 60.00 gets you the game it self but within that 60.00, there is programmed unatainable content that can't be used until you fork over cash.

Is it a new gimmick? Yes.  Are people going to buy it...  yes.  Is it a loosing battle?  Yes. 

[MrnDvlDg161]

Christmas Ape wrote...

I see entitlement has reared its head.
Given Mass Effect 3 will, arguably, again be about Shepard, shouldn't it be free too? Aren't they just "holding the story for ransom" by making you pay for it?
Human civilization does not owe you luxury goods just because you live in the developed world. You purchased some story. If you'd like more of it - content which did not exist when you bought the earlier installment - you can pay for it. Dessert's not free just because you enjoyed dinner.

There certainly shouldn't be a sense of  entitlement --- you are correct.

However, if your being served this dinner but perchance you weren't aloud to eat certain things that are already on your plate until you add a few dollars more... is milking you than serving you.

Human civilization shouldn't devolve itself into used car salesman tactics either.

[Christmas Ape]

However, if your being served this dinner but perchance you weren't aloud to eat certain things that are already on your plate until you add a few dollars more... is milking you than serving you.

This hypothetical situation is irrelevant to the discussion of ME2 DLC. Nobody promised you the Shadow Broker's head in ME2. Plenty of people probably don't care about Liara or the Broker that much and won't get this. He's a pretty minor part of ME1, after all. This DLC, like Overlord, has no story purpose other than to cement Shepard's role in the universe. It is optional, and it is new. This was not on your plate. This wasn't even on the menu. You may have been aware they served dessert, but none was offered until just now. There will, however, be a fee.

[Kusy]

Blah blah blah, BioWare points, blah blah milking money blah, evil EA. I hope I summed up the toppic?
Because it was tl;dr.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 06 septembre 2010 - 07:18 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Compared to Bethesda, yes. Other than that or maybe Rockstar and Valve, it's pretty middle of the road in terms of price.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Christmas Ape wrote...

However, if your being served this dinner but perchance you weren't aloud to eat certain things that are already on your plate until you add a few dollars more... is milking you than serving you.

This hypothetical situation is irrelevant to the discussion of ME2 DLC. Nobody promised you the Shadow Broker's head in ME2. Plenty of people probably don't care about Liara or the Broker that much and won't get this. He's a pretty minor part of ME1, after all. This DLC, like Overlord, has no story purpose other than to cement Shepard's role in the universe. It is optional, and it is new. This was not on your plate. This wasn't even on the menu. You may have been aware they served dessert, but none was offered until just now. There will, however, be a fee.

I could care less if there is a fee or not --- that isn't my problem. A worker needs to eat and get paid for the products and services provided for sure ---

The point is, its not  hypothetics.  At some point your product will have content that you won't be able to access even if you did drop 60.00 bucks retail price and you'll be paying extra to get that content. You can see the writing on the wall.

Right now... certainly. It is extra dessert and you can pass it on to your hearts content.... however your getting fattend up for the sacrafice in that same moment.

[Vopix]

Videogaming is a hobby. As many other hobbies it costs money. You are not forced to play games, you can collect stamps instead of it. I think the price is reasonable anyway.

[Merchant2006]

Alright.



Having been working in Central London for god knows how long, things are pretty expensive here. So I have a choice. Pack of cigarettes & a Cappucino or... DLC.



Consider the fact that if you are working things will be a little easier to put into perspective. I'm not saying everyone should go out and tuuk derrr jerrbbbbs but rather you stop stating how DLC is overpriced. You should be glad BioWare don't ask for exorbant prices like Activision do with MW2 rubbish.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Compared to Bethesda, yes. Other than that or maybe Rockstar and Valve, it's pretty middle of the road in terms of price.

agreed

[phatpat63]

The DLC cost twice what the principle game cost per hour of content. Bioware/EA make 3-4 times the profit margin by cutting out all the middle men. The fact that they don't have to make alot of new in game assets/rebuild the engine again/develop new class powers/and so on means their devlopment cast is lower per hour of content delivered to the player. And you're probably not going to play it as many times as you played the main games content. So EA/Bioware makes at least 6-8 times as much money off DLC than off the main game per sale, with no more than half the value per $ to the player. Regardless of whether you feel it's worth shelling out $7 for two hours of Mass Effect 2 or not, that is just baldfaced greed.

[theelementslayer]

phatpat63 wrote...

The DLC cost twice what the principle game cost per hour of content. Bioware/EA make 3-4 times the profit margin by cutting out all the middle men. The fact that they don't have to make alot of new in game assets/rebuild the engine again/develop new class powers/and so on means their devlopment cast is lower per hour of content delivered to the player. And you're probably not going to play it as many times as you played the main games content. So EA/Bioware makes at least 6-8 times as much money off DLC than off the main game per sale, with no more than half the value per $ to the player. Regardless of whether you feel it's worth shelling out $7 for two hours of Mass Effect 2 or not, that is just baldfaced greed.

Oh no Bioware made a good product and now through good business sense are making money. ITS GREED. Seriously though, its good DLC-paid for stuff that is, and BW deserves the money. Plus the more we give them money the better they can make ME3

And who cares if they are holding it from the main game, they never said they would release it all in the main game did they? No they made a game and none of the DLC had to have been in there for it to make sense. Plus all the stuff they did cut, they gave to us for free. New game=cerberus network.

How can you people even think you are entitled to more free DLC?

[Bryy_Miller]

adriano_c wrote...

It's the highest price they felt they could get away with, knowing people would think, "Oh, it's only $7..."

Please take a class in economics. I know that I very recently made fun of someone for saying this very phrase, but that was only because they had no idea what they were talking about. 

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 06 septembre 2010 - 08:38 .

[archurban]

if you think DLC is expensive, don't play games seriously. just take a look at other game DLC. they cost more than $7 or $10. what about modern warfare 2 map pack, huh? it costs $15. but people just buy it. usually, game DLC is sold for $10. recent Bioshock 2 DLC is $10. there is no DLC less than $10 excepting Bioware games. plus, console game is usually $10 more than PC game. but again people just buy it. tell you what. when you have a job, and could make enough money, $10, $50 whatever. it is not even counted. so what about people who just buy iphone everytime when new is coming out? is it expensive? yeah, if you calculate the whole cost for a year. it's only $99 for basic model. cheap. so I say 'suck it up'. 

Modifié par archurban, 06 septembre 2010 - 09:32 .

[RGFrog]

It's only too expensive if a. you can't afford it, or b. you don't think what you're getting is worth what they are charging. No one is forcing anyone to buy it and the price is set at, I assume, a point where BW/EA feels they are making enough to pay for the work and provide an acceptable profit margin.

If you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at Microsoft, Sony, etc., the ones that created the consoles that began the whole paid DLC to begin with.

[ShadoX_LV]

djarlaks10 wrote...

Hm I've bought a tank figurine from l4d2 game for 300 bucks. So no the ME DLC is not expensive...

I saw that one.. pretty neat figure. But I wouldn't have bought it.. (not a fan of L4D) + 300 for a figure is a little bit too much for my taste.. there are probably only a couple of things that I would shell out $300 for.. I mean figure wise..

Also, hows the figure?

Destructo-Bot wrote...

I really, really, really don't like
seeing major plot points being resolved in DLC. The Liara &
Shadowbroker thing should be handled in ME3... not as a paid download
after the fact for ME2. Maybe for ME3 they can split off the end of the
game as a $10 download! Or every loyalty mission is NOW DLC! Don't want
everyone to die? Just buy all 12 DLC loyalty packs for $7 a piece
(available only 6 months after you've finished the game)...

I can kind of
understand DLC like weapons and armor... but adding characters and
resolving plot lines AFTER the fact... No, I really despise where this
is going.

Oh yea, almost forgot this one too... it's Dragon Age
but it's also related to my previous post. They have the "Witch Hunt"
DLC coming out that seems to address what happens to Morrigan after she
leaves at the end of Dragon Age... again resolving plot points in paid
DLC! So this will be twice now where you don't get the whole story
unless you pay money over top of the base game. I used to buy their
games full price, but if this continues I'm either going to wait for
sale/bargain bins or not buy them at all because they are turning their
games into $50 ($60 for the extra special version!) + $10 x various
DLCs.

If they must do the DLC thing, then if you drop the cash
up front full price for the "Special Collectors" edition, it should
automatically include future paid DLCs. In other words if you buy the
regular version or one on sale you pay for future DLC, but if you
preorder/buy the Collectors edition on release then any released DLC is
automatically given to you. I'm not actually suggesting that as
something I would want, but it would be a compromise I suppose.

Yeah, I also hate that too... I would be fine with it being just weapons and all because I most probably would never buy them, but story stuff.. thats exactly why I want to buy it.. but still won't. Its simply too expensive for my taste.. heck all the DLC together now costs around $15~20.. thats more then half of what I paid for my CE of ME2.. :< 

A part of me is really thinking of just waiting for ME3 to come out only to wait for a GOTY version.. but I know that I wouldn't be able to do that.. I just wouldn't be able to not play the game.. xD 

But I'm still waiting for a GOTY version of ME2.. (and ME1?) .. Because I know that I won't buy the DLC.. :| Not after the insace price of the Broker.. :/

Kronner wrote...

My issue with DLCs these days (Mafia II
is a great example) is that it is content that SHOULD HAVE been in the
game, but is cut and then sold separately. Fook companies like that. I
will not pay for such DLC.

Yeah, but some of the stuff might not have beeen even made if it wasn't for DLC.. Sure some might say that it was already on the disc, but sooner or later that argument becomes invalid..

Thats why I'm waiting for a GOTy release.. :/

Daiyus wrote...

They're certainly of more value than a lot
of DLC's. Even the weapon packs are worth it if you replay a lot. The
only debatable one is the Apperance pack, but even that costs no more
than a cup of coffee.

I can understand people having an issue
with "bridging" DLC as it does give the sense that you have to buy it to
get the full story. But on the other hand people have described
Overlord as a completely pointless so not worth the money, no matter how
good it was as a standalone mission. BioWare can't seem to win.

Let's
be honest, people were complaining about the DLC they were given for
free. There are people who will always have an issue with any DLC, who
will never be happy until they're given everything on a silver platter
for nothing.

I choose to buy all the DLCs becuase I can afford
it and I spend most of my gaming time playing Mass Effect. If you don't
feel they're worth it simply don't buy it.

Thats why I'm not buying it.. also, the coffee argument is kinda invalid. Sure you can compare the price of the DLC to something else, but you have to take into considertaion that the prices are different everywhere.. A cup of coffee might cost 1,50 for you but only 0,50 for me.. heck, I never drink coffee and if I do then I just pick up a cheap one or a big pack of it so that its end up being cheap anyway.. a cup of coffee won't cost me more then 0,30.. if not even less..

Christmas Ape wrote...

I see entitlement has reared its head.
Given
Mass Effect 3 will, arguably, again be about Shepard, shouldn't it be
free too? Aren't they just "holding the story for ransom" by making you
pay for it?
Human civilization does not owe you luxury goods just
because you live in the developed world. You purchased some story. If
you'd like more of it - content which did not exist when you bought the
earlier installment - you can pay for it. Dessert's not free just
because you enjoyed dinner.

I'm fine with it not being free but the fact is that all the DLC together costs almost as much as the game itself.. at last those days. If BW would have released all the content at once for lets say $80.. would you have bought it?

Well, ok.. chances are that you would have and so would plenty of other people.. but, that wouldn't change the fact that it would still cost a whle lot more then its actually worth..

archurban wrote...

if you think DLC is expensive, don't
play games seriously. just take a look at other game DLC. they cost more
than $7 or $10. what about modern warfare 2 map pack, huh? it costs
$15. but people just buy it. usually, game DLC is sold for $10. recent
Bioshock 2 DLC is $10. there is no DLC less than $10 excepting Bioware
games. plus, console game is usually $10 more than PC game. but again
people just buy it. tell you what. when you have a job, and could make
enough money, $10, $50 whatever. it is not even counted. so what about
people who just buy iphone everytime when new is coming out? is it
expensive? yeah, if you calculate the whole cost for a year. it's only
$99 for basic model. cheap. so I say 'suck it up'. 

Thats the problem.. people buy that stuff like mindles zombies.. and if it wouldn't be for them then we wouldn't have those insane prices.. Sure you could get a job, but the value of the money won't change. Just because you have more money doesn't mean that you will be more willing to fork it out.. Even if I won the lottery and had over 9000 m cash.. I still wouldn't think that the DLC is overprices.. I would be able to afford it and its not like I wouldn't be able to do that now, but nothing would change..  It would still be overpriced DLC

[Tazzmission]

id like to say that i just got xbox live lastnight and honestly it kept me from having a cigarette every hour, and i am announcing that by the end of this week that i will quit smoking because the money i use for cigarettes is going torwards dlc, best way to defeat a addiction is to replace it with another, imo dlc is find the way it is price wise because in nyc its 10 bucks for one pack of smokes i hear

[bottledwater]

they are not too expensive, but it is kind of stupid that you have to buy points in 800 increments. i want to pay 7 bucks for something that costs 7 bucks, but i have to pay 10, and later on i feel obliged to buy something else with the leftover money, because if i dont, then i lost the money, and of course, i can't buy anything worthwhile with just the change, i have to invest another 10 bucks for more points so i can get another DLC which leaves me with even MORE uneven change. i know 3 bucks is not a lot of money, but its the principle, not the amount.

[sevach]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Almost turning into an  " Off Topic"  event here but...

Its not just Bio Ware but practically everyone that's utilizing Downloaded Content.

This is going to be the new way you'll be forced to buy things at the retail price I'm afraid, at the moment, a DLC is a nice add on that can extend a game... but later on?  I'm afraid its a game player's trojan horse. You'll find that your DLC is really code activation for programs that already exist within your purchaced game... its just not accessable unless you pay extra for it to be triggered.  

Its sort of like an anti-piracy mechanism in a way, only in this case, the " piracy"  is seen as individuals buying things used --- because when you buy things used...  " the house looses"  ( Casino talk there).  Same with PC games now --- where your afforded x number of downloads before its useless.

So in the case of say  Assassins Creed II, you should note that there are memory bars that exist in your orginal CD but they aren't accessable until after you buy the DLC... but they are there.  Your 60.00 gets you the game it self but within that 60.00, there is programmed unatainable content that can't be used until you fork over cash.

Is it a new gimmick? Yes.  Are people going to buy it...  yes.  Is it a loosing battle?  Yes. 

That's pretty much it, they are (everybody not just Bioware) is holding back to be able to profit more from a game and that's how it's gonna be from now on.

Still, if you are not interested, don't think it's worth it or done with said game,  you can take a pass.

[ciaweth]

In terms of cost per hour of use, DLC is a way better deal than, say, a movie and a popcorn.



As far as the "omg u shud giv it 2 us free" argument goes, I don't go buy an entree at a restaurant and complain that the restaurant is "forcing" me to pay for extras because dessert isn't free.

[Destructo-Bot]

Christmas Ape wrote...

I see entitlement has reared its head.
Given Mass Effect 3 will, arguably, again be about Shepard, shouldn't it be free too? Aren't they just "holding the story for ransom" by making you pay for it?
Human civilization does not owe you luxury goods just because you live in the developed world. You purchased some story. If you'd like more of it - content which did not exist when you bought the earlier installment - you can pay for it. Dessert's not free just because you enjoyed dinner.

You are absolutely right! Bioware feels entitled to have me pay $50 for their game... but I don't need to do that. I'll just wait until it's $10 in the bargain bin. That'll work out better for them right, is that where they want this to go?

I was paying full price for their games. I don't think I'll be doing that anymore if this is now the way of things, where they are going to parcel out the storyline in $10 chunks.

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 06 septembre 2010 - 11:49 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Sounds like a self-fullfilling prophecy to me

[Bryy_Miller]

Christmas Ape wrote...
Aren't they just "holding the story for ransom" by making you pay for it?

Really? People are saying this? Really?

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...
It is extra dessert and you can pass it on to your hearts content.... however your getting fattend up for the sacrafice in that same moment. 

What the hell does this even mean?

Here's the thing that nobody is getting: THIS IS POST-CAMPAIGN DLC.
99% of the ****ing and moaning is due to the fact that people see "DLC" and they think it is included in the main game.

Watch. Tomorrow it will change to "you mean I have to complete the game to play this?".

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 07 septembre 2010 - 12:45 .

[Palathas]

I wouldn't say it's too expensive. It's expensive compared to say Borderlands DLC but with the voice acting and other production costs I'd guess that ME2 and DA:O DLC are more expensive to make also. For what I've been getting I've been happy enough with the cost.

That's all beside the point though, it's been the 7th for 11 hours and Lair of the Shadow Broker isn't available yet!

Modifié par Palathas, 07 septembre 2010 - 12:54 .