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[Humanoid_Taifun]

I don't think 1358 is the year in which the children of Bhaal were born. Especially so since it was clearly stated that Gorion took your hand and ran (which means that you must have been able to run on your own), while Sarevok was even able to escape all by himself. Either they were a very mature 1 year olds, or they were older.

Since several dwarves, elves and even a dragon reached maturity in time for the fight, one can only conclude that Bhaal started preparing his revival plan a bit earlier than 1357.

[Taarkoth]

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

I don't think 1358 is the year in which the children of Bhaal were born. Especially so since it was clearly stated that Gorion took your hand and ran (which means that you must have been able to run on your own), while Sarevok was even able to escape all by himself. Either they were a very mature 1 year olds, or they were older.
Since several dwarves, elves and even a dragon reached maturity in time for the fight, one can only conclude that Bhaal started preparing his revival plan a bit earlier than 1357.

That's my point. The Alianna spirit in the second test said "I am your mother. I am Alianna,a disciple of the great Lord of Murder, a priestess of Bhaal. In the Time of Troubles did Bhaal,  himself, come and whisper in mine ear. I was to give birth to one of the Children. To you. I rose my arms up and hailed my Lord of Murder with great joy at my fate." (bolding added)

In BG1 Charname had been raised from infancy by Gorion. These are mutually exclusive due to the timeframe the games are set in. There's also Gorion's letter in BG1, " For reasons unknown to me, he sought out women of every race and forced himself upon them. Your mother was one of those women, and as you know, she died in childbirth. I had been her friend and, on occasion, lover." Given the whole "Your dad's the dead god of murder" thing it wouldn't make much sense to keep lying about the mother, certainly not to maintain they were occasional lovers.

BG1 starts in 1368. So Charname would have been 10 years old at this supposed sacrifice, a wee bit too old to pass off  "You have never met your mother and I raised you from birth." Especially since Charname would have just been born if the solar's story is true.

Especially so since it was clearly stated that Gorion took your hand and
ran (which means that you must have been able to run on your own),
while Sarevok was even able to escape all by himself. Either they were a
very mature 1 year olds, or they were older.

"I rescued you and fled from the temple even as many other Bhaalspawn babes died." And that's it. No mention of taking Charname's hand.

The entire second test pretty much ignores both the setting and the game's canon for a poorly done Darth Vader reveal.

The only reason I'm harping on this is the rest of the game is fantastic (a few rough edges notwithstanding) so this just stands out all the more and pulls me out of the game.

Modifié par Taarkoth, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:40 .

[BomimoDK]

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

I don't think 1358 is the year in which the children of Bhaal were born. Especially so since it was clearly stated that Gorion took your hand and ran (which means that you must have been able to run on your own), while Sarevok was even able to escape all by himself. Either they were a very mature 1 year olds, or they were older.
Since several dwarves, elves and even a dragon reached maturity in time for the fight, one can only conclude that Bhaal started preparing his revival plan a bit earlier than 1357.

Sarevok is a good 5 years younger than oneself. Hence the deal about him not stepping out of the shadow of his foster father yet. It is also mentioned that Gorion left him there as a 3 yearold or something.

[The mad viking]

I love mr. shade in the splurging sturgeon in BG1. It's so funny to bluff your way through the whole conversation until he realises that you are not the right person. What makes it more fun is that he tries to run off with the golden pantaloons only to be killed a moment later by me.

[jaxsbudgie]

The mad viking wrote...

I love mr. shade in the splurging sturgeon in BG1. It's so funny to bluff your way through the whole conversation until he realises that you are not the right person. What makes it more fun is that he tries to run off with the golden pantaloons only to be killed a moment later by me.

Hang on he had the golden pantaloons?!
I always thought that noble guy in the FAI did, unless of course there are two ... but yes that conversation is hilarious, I think I sat there for about 15 minutes doing it.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

BomimoDK wrote...
Sarevok is a good 5 years younger than oneself. Hence the deal about him not stepping out of the shadow of his foster father yet. It is also mentioned that Gorion left him there as a 3 yearold or something.

Seem to have missed this post 8 months ago before going offline.

I cannot believe that Sarevok should be 15 years old at the time of BG1. 1) I refuse to accept that a wet-behind-the-ears guy should be capable of all this and 2) my character is not played with like that by a little boy.

Also, this does not look like a 15 year old.

Notice the grey spots in the beard?
Unless he was addicted to Haste spells at some point, he is not a teen.

[jaxsbudgie]

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...
Sarevok is a good 5 years younger than oneself. Hence the deal about him not stepping out of the shadow of his foster father yet. It is also mentioned that Gorion left him there as a 3 yearold or something.

Seem to have missed this post 8 months ago before going offline.

I cannot believe that Sarevok should be 15 years old at the time of BG1. 1) I refuse to accept that a wet-behind-the-ears guy should be capable of all this and 2) my character is not played with like that by a little boy.

Also, this does not look like a 15 year old.

Notice the grey spots in the beard?
Unless he was addicted to Haste spells at some point, he is not a teen.

I suppose that portrait of him is after he was killed, then killed again in death, then brought back to life, so it's understandable if he gained a few grey patches along the way.
Still I find it hard to believe he can be so young in BG1, where is the PCs age mentioned then?
I do wonder the ages of all the human NPCs.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Nestled atop the cliffs that rise from the Sword Coast, the citadel of
Candlekeep houses the finest and most comprehensive collection of
writings on the face of Faerun. It is an imposing fortress, kept in
strict isolation from the intrigues that occasionally plague the rest of the
Forgotten Realms. It is secluded, highly regimented, and it is home.

Within these hallowed halls of knowledge your story begins. You have spent
most of your 20 years of life within this keep's austere walls, under the
tutelage of the sage Gorion. Acting as your father, he has raised you on a
thousand tales of heroes and monsters, lovers and infidels, battles and
tragedies. However, one story was always left untold: that of your true
heritage. You have been told that you are an orphan, but your past is largely
unknown.

Lately, Gorion has been growing distant from you, as if some grave matter

I could post the relevant screenshot too if you want. 

[HoonDing]

When the solar summons Sarevok's spirit in ToB (along with Gorion's and Alianna's) he appears as a young child (after killing Alianna, Gorion needed to choose between young child Sarevok and babe <charname>). So he's probably between 5 and 10 years older than <charname>.

Modifié par virumor, 19 septembre 2011 - 11:04 .

[polytope]

virumor wrote...

When the solar summons Sarevok's spirit in ToB (along with Gorion's and Alianna's) he appears as a young child (after killing Alianna, Gorion needed to choose between young child Sarevok and babe <charname>). So he's probably between 5 and 10 years older than <charname>.

Taarkoth wrote...

The entire second test pretty much ignores both the setting and the game's canon for a poorly done Darth Vader reveal.

Agreed on both counts. The second pocket plane test is rather silly, particularly the bit where the Solar considers you evil if you say Sarevok was responsible for his own actions (I mean, having an unhappy childhood excuses murder, attempted coup d'état and warmongering right?).

[The mad viking]

Hang on he had the golden pantaloons?!
I always thought that noble guy in the FAI did, unless of course there are two ... but yes that conversation is hilarious, I think I sat there for about 15 minutes doing it.

[/quote]

Mr. Shade doesn't have the golden pantaloons. He will run away with them if you give the chance though. You're right about the noble guy in the FAI giving you the pantaloons. Another fun thing in BG2 is doublecrossing Baron Ployer. Especially if you have the unfinished buisness mod installed. It's quite fun to turn the mages against him.

[Mana Garn]

Well it wast a discussion but the first time i played i picked up jaheira/khalid and Xzar/Montaron. We had just finished the witch quest at the carnaval and while still in the tent the 2 groups decide to go kill each other. Xzar shoot a lighting bolt, everyone dies.

[Son of Imoen]

Something I often think of as funny is the moment characters gain a level. Sometimes it's perfectly logical, but sometimes it's downright hilarious:

In BG2 I have a party with Aerie and Xan as mages and mod-character Amber as a Fighter dualed to thief. In the inn in Brynnlaw I spend a lot of time having Aerie and Xan writing scrolls for eachother to learn and suddenly 'pling' - 'Amber: level-up'. She learnt about lockpicking, stealth and what-have-you by seeing mages scribbling? LOL.

[BomimoDK]

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

Nestled atop the cliffs that rise from the Sword Coast, the citadel of
Candlekeep houses the finest and most comprehensive collection of
writings on the face of Faerun. It is an imposing fortress, kept in
strict isolation from the intrigues that occasionally plague the rest of the
Forgotten Realms. It is secluded, highly regimented, and it is home.

Within these hallowed halls of knowledge your story begins. You have spent
most of your 20 years of life within this keep's austere walls, under the
tutelage of the sage Gorion. Acting as your father, he has raised you on a
thousand tales of heroes and monsters, lovers and infidels, battles and
tragedies. However, one story was always left untold: that of your true
heritage. You have been told that you are an orphan, but your past is largely
unknown.

Lately, Gorion has been growing distant from you, as if some grave matter

I could post the relevant screenshot too if you want. 

What i remember reading from interviews of old and such, is that what you're told throughout BG1 is all a cover story by Gorion. What you hear in ToB is supposedly the truth. If we follow this loosely, you're in the early 20s and Sarevok, contrary to my earlier statement, must be in the mid-late twenties. The dates are off, but i seem to remember that Gorion took Charname along because he wasn't yet corrupted by ambition for power. Sarevok was, and getting fostered by a powerhungry man doesn't help. Even worse still is that Sarevok knows very well that his fosterfather isn't his father at all. If we were smart, we'd ask David Gaider about this since AFAIK, he wrote most of the ToB content.

[jaxsbudgie]

Son of Imoen wrote...

Something I often think of as funny is the moment characters gain a level. Sometimes it's perfectly logical, but sometimes it's downright hilarious:

In BG2 I have a party with Aerie and Xan as mages and mod-character Amber as a Fighter dualed to thief. In the inn in Brynnlaw I spend a lot of time having Aerie and Xan writing scrolls for eachother to learn and suddenly 'pling' - 'Amber: level-up'. She learnt about lockpicking, stealth and what-have-you by seeing mages scribbling? LOL.

This happened to me the other day in Nashkel, kept on talking to Noober, so much so everyone in the group levelled up.

[Son of Imoen]

jaxsbudgie wrote...

Son of Imoen wrote...

Something I often think of as funny is the moment characters gain a level. Sometimes it's perfectly logical, but sometimes it's downright hilarious:

In BG2 I have a party with Aerie and Xan as mages and mod-character Amber as a Fighter dualed to thief. In the inn in Brynnlaw I spend a lot of time having Aerie and Xan writing scrolls for eachother to learn and suddenly 'pling' - 'Amber: level-up'. She learnt about lockpicking, stealth and what-have-you by seeing mages scribbling? LOL.

This happened to me the other day in Nashkel, kept on talking to Noober, so much so everyone in the group levelled up.

Didn't you know Noober is a reaaal wise guy?

[jaxsbudgie]

Son of Imoen wrote...

jaxsbudgie wrote...

Son of Imoen wrote...

Something I often think of as funny is the moment characters gain a level. Sometimes it's perfectly logical, but sometimes it's downright hilarious:

In BG2 I have a party with Aerie and Xan as mages and mod-character Amber as a Fighter dualed to thief. In the inn in Brynnlaw I spend a lot of time having Aerie and Xan writing scrolls for eachother to learn and suddenly 'pling' - 'Amber: level-up'. She learnt about lockpicking, stealth and what-have-you by seeing mages scribbling? LOL.

This happened to me the other day in Nashkel, kept on talking to Noober, so much so everyone in the group levelled up.

Didn't you know Noober is a reaaal wise guy?

Not just wise, but taught us how to cast new Druid, Ceric and Arcane spells, as well as some new thieving abilities too! I will never underestimate Noober again. I'll still kill Neeber though.

[ARKdeEREH]

I had just finished a battle (I forget who I was fighting) and had gone to Waukeen's Promenade to look for new quests. I had my two fastest moving characters (Viconia and my PC, both wearing boots of speed) going door to door talking to people to see if there was anything I could do. A noblewoman was very rude to Viconia because she was a drow. I had my PC cast level drain on the noblewoman because I thought it would get back at her without actually killing her (and hurting my reputation).

The level drain spell caused the noblewoman to explode into many little pieces and everyone else in the tavern to instantly turn hostile. I had been in a battle recently so Viconia still had some energy blades equipped. Within a few seconds everyone in the room was dead as Viconia had killed them all with energy blades, and my reputation went from 20 to 1. Before I could react Viconia chased down the bartender, who had run into the backroom, and killed him with Crom Faeyr. All of this happened in only a few seconds.

Literally everything was normal and then after I cast that spell everyone in the room was dead before the noblewoman's insides all hit the floor, and the bartender in the adjoining room shortly thereafter.

[Alesia_BH]

Just adding some funny moments. There are three that come to mind.

The party was in the Underdark: captured by Mindflayes and forced to battle slaves for the amusement of the Devours. Aerie looked around and said: "I'm so happy you brought me with you! I never imagined we'd be doing such great things!"...

In another playthrough, the party was in the Temple of Amaunator resurrecting a comrade slain by Bodhi. When our brethren awoke, we bid HaervDaelis found farewell. He confidently strode off seeking new adventures. And was promptly incinerated by the tile traps...

The final moment occurred in the promenade's Temple of Illmater. The party was recovering from a pounding. The crew's spiritual leader, Jaheira, was dead and needed to be raised: the price was too high however. The party managed to scrape together the coin to bring her back. Everyone breathed a sigh of relief when they saw their warrior protector on her feet again. Then -as if on cue- Habib burst in, flicked a coin, and killed her...

Modifié par Alesia_BH, 08 octobre 2011 - 07:33 .

[Grond0]

Alesia_BH wrote...
Then -as if on cue- Habib burst in, flicked a coin, and killed her...

Can't beat that.  I do remember a long time ago the party having taken a beating at the De'Arnise Keep and I think only the PC was left alive.  Not much money, but I scraped together the cost to revive Jaheira, thinking that she would bring the rest of them back.  Of course she attempted to start doing this before healing herself and promptly fell back down dead again.

[ARKdeEREH]

1.) When I was so disgusted with Anomen after he murdered Faerk Sarrahd's daughter that I decided to punish him by Shadowkeepering in the girdle of gender, making Anomen wear it to turn him into a woman, took all his items and sold them, and then booted him out of my party. 

2.) When I fought Kangaxx, who made the idle threat that he was going to cause me to suffer great pain and die quickly (I forget exactly what he said) and then he died instantly from the dragon's breath spell that I had cast a few seconds before he started to talk. 

3.) When Keldorn (who was only level 15 at the time I think), because he was racist, attacked level 36 Viconia, who caused him to explode into many small chunks in a very short period of time. 

I loaded it so that he wouldn't die, and then took away his armor and weapons because I didn't trust him anymore, but was still keeping him in my party because at the time I thought his quest with his family would eventually continue (it was actually over by this point).  A few days later he attacked Viconia again, but this time with his fists when he wasn't wearing any armor.  Needless to say, his second attempt on Viconia' s life was even less successful than the first....

Modifié par ARKdeEREH, 26 octobre 2011 - 11:31 .

[crazyrabbits]

Sarevok has so many awesome lines in ToB. The best one (and the one I distinctly remember) is when he asks Minsc to tell Boo not to stare at him, with the line...

"I will not be judged by a creature that stores nuts in its cheeks!"

The fact that it's fully-voiced and so adamant in conviction just kills me.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Funny moments:

Every time Jan speaks.

Oh also:

Nalia casts spell: Disintegrade
Thaxll'ssillyia: Death.

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 18 septembre 2012 - 08:46 .

[Matuse]

Nalia casts spell: Disintegrade
Thaxll'ssillyia: Death.

See, that's no good, as he takes the shadow scales and the crom faeyr scroll with him.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Matuse wrote...

Nalia casts spell: Disintegrade
Thaxll'ssillyia: Death.

See, that's no good, as he takes the shadow scales and the crom faeyr scroll with him.

I know, but it was funny to do that

It would work against Nizzidramazyyt (however spelt) since he drops nothing i think.

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 19 septembre 2012 - 07:52 .