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[thegreateski]

Alright.





Can ANYBODY here give me an actual reason as to WHY including nudity in a video game will increase its sales?



That's the only way any game company will do it.

[Dave of Canada]

thegreateski wrote...

Alright.


Can ANYBODY here give me an actual reason as to WHY including nudity in a video game will increase its sales?

That's the only way any game company will do it.

And is there a reason to not include it?

[Michalsky]

Marionetten wrote...

With The Witcher 2 coming out with full frontal nudity are we going to see any improvement in this department or are we stuck with hilariously awkward sex scenes and surprisingly decent brothels?

Prepare to be......not surprised.

[Arrtis]

Where is the data saying under 18 make up a significant portion of the user base?

[Heavenblade]

relhart wrote...

Your mistake, is the assumption people are being stopped from doing that.  Plenty of art forms do explore those ideas, they just aren't motivated by profit.

I'm not talking of profit, but of laws. In many places, people ARE stopped from doing these things. Violently. Freedom of speech and thought is squashed and abolished in 90% of the world, where you could be theoretically convicted and sentenced to prison for having "double plus ungood thoughts", and the only thing that stops them is that they don't have the technology to read minds yet.

We are approaching a time when things will get VERY ugly, and it approaches more quickly with each technological advance. If we don't establish a precedent for free thought and expression, then we will find ourselves reduced to a most abhorrent form.

Modifié par Heavenblade, 20 août 2010 - 10:06 .

[sw33t nothings]

AlexXIV wrote...

term8 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

term8 wrote...

I think one the biggest problem with arguing a point like this is that some have an inability to understand how nudity can be used for anything other than sexual arousal.

Right, I'd like to know.

why did michelangelo sculpt david in the nude?

Because he was an artist? I fear I can't say anything intelligent about the motivations of Michelangelo.

Because the Renaissance's created works of art were largely devoted to depicting classic Greek and Roman esthetic styles. It's funny that it comes back to Michelangelo's statue of David- his penis (why and shape) has been the subject of more then a dozen litterary papers (some of which I've read in art school)

I've always suscribed to the theory that good ole Michelangelo wanted to show 'naked fear', man at his most vulnerable and perfect right before combat. It also explains the shrinkage.

And to bring it back to censorship, Pope Julis the II was watching to make sure the statue wasn't too vulgar or unchaste. So they had problems, even back then.

[Daerog]

Dave of Canada wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Alright.


Can ANYBODY here give me an actual reason as to WHY including nudity in a video game will increase its sales?

That's the only way any game company will do it.

And is there a reason to not include it?

To have physical copies present in US stores. Full nudity in a video game can get the game pulled off shelves. Partial nudity is a pass, but full nudity some stores have issues with.

[Seifz]

Dave of Canada wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Alright.


Can ANYBODY here give me an actual reason as to WHY including nudity in a video game will increase its sales?

That's the only way any game company will do it.

And is there a reason to not include it?

Yeah.  Bad publicity and religious nuts will cause a decrease in overall dollars.  If BioWare doesn't feel that their right to put nipples in a game is worth that loss of dollars, they're not going to do it.  I don't understand why people are confused about this.

[Archereon]

thegreateski wrote...

Alright.


Can ANYBODY here give me an actual reason as to WHY including nudity in a video game will increase its sales?

That's the only way any game company will do it.

This.

For all but the most immature of this game's potential players, the lack of nudidity wouldn't be the tipping point for them not buying this game.  For many parents however, the presence of it would, and considering a significant portion of Dragon Age's userbase is under 18...

Arrtis wrote...

Where is the data saying under 18 make up a significant portion of the user base?

This is true for any game that isn't AO.  In fact, many games (even M rated games) are largely played by people under 18.  

Modifié par Archereon, 20 août 2010 - 10:08 .

[hexaligned]

Dave of Canada wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Alright.


Can ANYBODY here give me an actual reason as to WHY including nudity in a video game will increase its sales?

That's the only way any game company will do it.

And is there a reason to not include it?

There is if you are concerned with maximizing the number of units sold, which EA most certainly is.

[Apollo Starflare]

Dave of Canada wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Alright.


Can ANYBODY here give me an actual reason as to WHY including nudity in a video game will increase its sales?

That's the only way any game company will do it.

And is there a reason to not include it?

Only the dreaded Fox News service.  

Edit: Personally I don't see why they can't at least go back to something closer to what ME had. There doesn't need to be full frontal, or even necessarily topless, nudity to make DA2 handle it better than Origins.

Modifié par Apollo Starflare, 20 août 2010 - 10:09 .

[thegreateski]

Sure. Here's some off the top of my head.



-The unnecessary trouble of animating the . . . body parts . . . in love scenes.

-Media **** storm

-Acquiring the reputation of being virtual smut peddlers.

-Becoming unable to market the game to an adolescent audience.

[Archereon]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Alright.


Can ANYBODY here give me an actual reason as to WHY including nudity in a video game will increase its sales?

That's the only way any game company will do it.

And is there a reason to not include it?

Only the dreaded Fox News service.  

And the threat of getting pushed off of shelves at some stores for full nudidity, and the potential to get Dragon Age blacklisted like the Grand Theft Auto series (which is argubley not much worse than many of the games parents readily buy for their kids.)

[Heimdall]

I just want bioware to make the scenes more like ME1for DA2, and that goes for ME3 as well. Tasteful and I'll be less inclined to laugh and feel awkward

[Archereon]

Archereon wrote...

Heavenblade wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Heavenblade wrote...
Whenever a game company self-censors, they are effectively eroding the foundations of freedom EVERYWHERE by encouraging this kind of behavior.

Don't you think you are being a *tad* over-dramatic?

Sir, one cannot be over-dramatic when defending the intellectual and philosophical integrity of AN ENTIRE SPECIES! If I am not as loud or louder than the people who would see us reduced to mindless ignorant slaves, then I might as well not speak at all!

Think of the art and science renaissance we would be in if the chains of censorship, ignorance, and political correctness were done away with... Think of all the new genres and themes a game could approach! We could finally start to explore new ideas, philosophies, asthetic styles, and various expressions of human action and sexuality without having to live in fear of the power-mongering morality police!

Heavenblade:

While that may be true, I hope that you agree that there is a line that must be crossed (if not, this will soon become a debate on eugenics and transhumanism, only one of which can be carried out ethically).  When the human life becomes a commodity in the name of the greater good of our species, when the induvidual is utterly destroyed for the sake of efficiency, a line must be drawn.

[Heavenblade]

Archereon wrote...

Heavenblade:

While that may be true, I hope that you agree that there is a line that must be crossed (if not, this will soon become a debate on eugenics and transhumanism, only one of which can be carried out ethically).  When the human life becomes a commodity in the name of the greater good of our species, when the induvidual is utterly destroyed for the sake of efficiency, a line must be drawn.

Not sure what you are arguing here exactly. Clarify a bit more?

[Arrtis]

thegreateski wrote...

Alright.


Can ANYBODY here give me an actual reason as to WHY including nudity in a video game will increase its sales?

That's the only way any game company will do it.

Many would say it increases realism and Gag reflex depending on where you put it making for a better game.
If I want to believe I am the character and doing things in the game like I was actually there, I will need to not see something that offends my sense of realism/fantasy realism like people having sex with underwear on...and floating weapons...bows with no strings....and so on....IF they can hdie it and do it well not a big deal.But Why go through the work of hiding it.
Sometimes for cost....
It costs more to put that underwear on those models than to leave them off....

[AlexXIV]

sw33t nothings wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

term8 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

term8 wrote...

I think one the biggest problem with arguing a point like this is that some have an inability to understand how nudity can be used for anything other than sexual arousal.

Right, I'd like to know.

why did michelangelo sculpt david in the nude?

Because he was an artist? I fear I can't say anything intelligent about the motivations of Michelangelo.

Because the Renaissance's created works of art were largely devoted to depicting classic Greek and Roman esthetic styles. It's funny that it comes back to Michelangelo's statue of David- his penis (why and shape) has been the subject of more then a dozen litterary papers (some of which I've read in art school)

I've always suscribed to the theory that good ole Michelangelo wanted to show 'naked fear', man at his most vulnerable and perfect right before combat. It also explains the shrinkage.

And to bring it back to censorship, Pope Julis the II was watching to make sure the statue wasn't too vulgar or unchaste. So they had problems, even back then.

Well I don't know much about art and I don't really care overly much, but I think small genitals was a beauty ideal with the ancient greece, since it was common to rather have them small than big, but that only in a side note.

I still see no connection to this kind of art to art in an RPG and nudity. I mean, nobody plays a game for art.

[hexaligned]

Heavenblade wrote...

relhart wrote...

Your mistake, is the assumption people are being stopped from doing that.  Plenty of art forms do explore those ideas, they just aren't motivated by profit.

I'm not talking of profit, but of laws. In many places, people ARE stopped from doing these things. Violently. Freedom of speech and thought is squashed and abolished in 90% of the world, where you could be theoretically convicted and sentenced to prison for having "double plus ungood thoughts", and the only thing that stops them is that they don't have the technology to read minds yet.

We are approaching a time when things will get VERY ugly, and it approaches more quickly with each technological advance. If we don't establish a precedent for free thought and expression, then we will find ourselves reduced to a most abhorrent form.

Well I've personally shed blood for those things, and would do so again, as would millions of other people.  So I'm not quite so pessimistic about humanities chances of achieving real independant freedom someday.  If anything I'd say mankind is inevietably moving towards it, slow as the progress may be. 

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Two words: tasteful and engrossing. If it is necessary and isn't cheply done than yes but only to the degree of the first mass effect, rear and side boob.

[Archereon]

Heavenblade wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Heavenblade:

While that may be true, I hope that you agree that there is a line that must be crossed (if not, this will soon become a debate on eugenics and transhumanism, only one of which can be carried out ethically).  When the human life becomes a commodity in the name of the greater good of our species, when the induvidual is utterly destroyed for the sake of efficiency, a line must be drawn.

Not sure what you are arguing here exactly. Clarify a bit more?

The last bit about morality police was a bit worrying to me, and at first I thought you included ethics in the list with "ignorance and censorship".  I've met some people who belief that the concept of morality should be cast aside for the sake of human progress, which essentially makes the human life no more valuable, then a machine in a factory.  Just checking, you know,.

[AlexXIV]

relhart wrote...

Heavenblade wrote...

relhart wrote...

Your mistake, is the assumption people are being stopped from doing that.  Plenty of art forms do explore those ideas, they just aren't motivated by profit.

I'm not talking of profit, but of laws. In many places, people ARE stopped from doing these things. Violently. Freedom of speech and thought is squashed and abolished in 90% of the world, where you could be theoretically convicted and sentenced to prison for having "double plus ungood thoughts", and the only thing that stops them is that they don't have the technology to read minds yet.

We are approaching a time when things will get VERY ugly, and it approaches more quickly with each technological advance. If we don't establish a precedent for free thought and expression, then we will find ourselves reduced to a most abhorrent form.

Well I've personally shed blood for those things, and would do so again, as would millions of other people.  So I'm not quite so pessimistic about humanities chances of achieving real independant freedom someday.  If anything I'd say mankind is inevietably moving towards it, slow as the progress may be. 

Question is just, will humanity be ready for it and will it bring more good than harm?

[David Gaider]

Dave of Canada wrote...
And is there a reason to not include it?

Because we don't want it there? Just because you can doesn't mean you should. We'll add what we think is tasteful according to our own standards, and no more.

And unless we're going whole hog with the nudity, I'm not sure why we would slip in the occasional nipple-- you'd get rated the same regardless of the amount, so it hardly seems worth it (to me, anyway) from a sales perspective.

[Archereon]

David Gaider wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
And is there a reason to not include it?

Because we don't want it there? Just because you can doesn't mean you should. We'll add what we think is tasteful according to our own standards, and no more.

And unless we're going whole hog with the nudity, I'm not sure why we would slip in the occasional nipple-- you'd get rated the same regardless of the amount, so it hardly seems worth it (to me, anyway) from a sales perspective.

*rolls eyes*

'cause you get to screw with the media, and drive the adolescent male userbase crazy?