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[Quinnzel]

Theres always room for side boob.

[Seifz]

StonerMkII wrote...

What i find hilarious beyond all belief is that Dragon Age is Mature rated correct? Meaning, to purchase the game you MUST be 17 or older. In the US, 17 is more or less considered an adult, and in some states IS considered an adult. What i dont understand is why they continue to censor and change their Mature rated games for these little kids. Its "M" rated. No kid should be playing it, period. My personal feeling is parents who buy a "M" rated game for anyone under 17 should see a heavy fine and/or jail time.

Who the hell are you to tell me what my kids* can and cannot see?  If I want to buy them an M-rated game, that's my choice as a parent.  The ESRB warned me about the content of the game and then I, as a parent, decided if it was okay for my children.  The point of the M rating is to prevent children from buying games without parental consent.  It's not to put parents in jail for using their own judgement when determining whether or not their children should play a specific game.

* In the interest of being honest, I don't actually have kids.  But if I did, that's the response that I'd give.

[Brockololly]

David Gaider wrote...

And unless we're going whole hog with the nudity, I'm not sure why we would slip in the occasional nipple-- you'd get rated the same regardless of the amount, so it hardly seems worth it (to me, anyway) from a sales perspective.

Yeah, unless there is a reason for it I don't see why you NEED nudity. It was just a bit odd in Origins however to have Morrigan magically in MORE clothing for the sex scene than her normal robes...

But since I'm taking a wild guess that DA2 will be an M rated game in the US, do you guys really do studies or anything on how a "nudity" or "Sexual content" descriptor would affect sales?

[MyKingdomCold]

Also, what's the line between an "M" rating and an "AO" rating?

[Arrtis]

sounds like I did not explain myself well.

[Archereon]

Marionetten wrote...

Archereon wrote...

As people have been saying, the best medium between graphic sex scenes and the weird underwear ones we have now would be the sort found in Mass Effect.

I don't think anyone is suggesting hardcore pornography.

What I suggested was something akin to what The Witcher 2 has shown. Would you call this a graphic sex scene just because it features nudity? To me, it's about as classy as it gets.

Hardly.  But if it goes full frontal and depicts...specifics...That's graphic, and even the full frontal one is a big (and unecessary) marketing risk.

[thegreateski]

Brockololly wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

And unless we're going whole hog with the nudity, I'm not sure why we would slip in the occasional nipple-- you'd get rated the same regardless of the amount, so it hardly seems worth it (to me, anyway) from a sales perspective.

Yeah, unless there is a reason for it I don't see why you NEED nudity. It was just a bit odd in Origins however to have Morrigan magically in MORE clothing for the sex scene than her normal robes...

But since I'm taking a wild guess that DA2 will be an M rated game in the US, do you guys really do studies or anything on how a "nudity" or "Sexual content" descriptor would affect sales?

Of course they do. Making games is a science as much as it is an art.

you need to know exactly what you are doing.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

Seifz wrote...

GreyWarden36 wrote...

they should have god of war  like sex scenes where you push buttons
its like one of those mini games but with sex:D

Someone linked a YouTube video from another PS3 game on the first page of this topic that had an interactive sex scene.  You had to press three buttons just to unclip the girl's bra!  It was incredibly awkward and I truly hope that BioWare never does anything similar.  In fact, I hope that nobody ever does that again.  Horrible!

thats a different game
im talking about god of war all you pretty much had to do was have sex
the girls were already naked
here check it out:
www.megavideo.com/

[Marionetten]

Archereon wrote...

Hardly.  But if it goes full frontal and depicts...specifics...That's graphic, and even the full frontal one is a big (and unecessary) marketing risk.

So, you'd consider David offensive?

[AlexXIV]

Elizabeth wrote...

As I stand here and read this I feel like I should give my opinion about this matter as i used to be a retail employee before I became disabled on the job and I would like to point out that in as much as every one here has a good thought of concern I am reminded that rated M for mature means Rated M for mature if i sold a game to someone 18 or youngher with this kinde of content I would be FRIERD.on the spot.Retailers are soupse to enforce this rule and if they don"t they can get findejust an opion to bioware that if this is the kinde of content they want for their game than the ratings rule willhave to come into play. and like I said just an opinion thank you your friend bethany

Right, so if I was 16 and had a friend who is 18 and ask him to buy a 18+ game for me if I gave him the money then you wouldn't sell to him because you are a psychic and so he has no chance to make you believe he buys it for himself.

[thegreateski]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

Also, what's the line between an "M" rating and an "AO" rating?

Extremeness of the content.

The game "Manhunt" is a good example.

[Archereon]

Marionetten wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Hardly.  But if it goes full frontal and depicts...specifics...That's graphic, and even the full frontal one is a big (and unecessary) marketing risk.

So, you'd consider David offensive?

No, I said that full frontal is a big, unneccessary marketing risk that really doesn't give a worthwhile contribution to the game's experience as a whole.

[David Gaider]

Marionetten wrote...
But you've already got an M rating attached to Dragon Age: Origins, no? Unless you're shooting for a T rating with Dragon Age 2 I can't see why you'd want to keep the awkward looking sex scenes. It's not as if adding nudity ( where appropriate )  would suddenly propel the game to AO.

Sure... but see again where I said "just because you can doesn't mean you should". We'll include what we consider tasteful, and since we're not restricted to a Teen rating that means we can push the boundaries in other areas... as we choose. We'll do what we think is tasteful.

As for "awkward looking sex scenes", I'm not sure how one thing has anything to do with the other. Making them "less awkward" doesn't necessarily mean adding nudity. Again, it's simply a matter of taste.

[Archereon]

David Gaider wrote...

Marionetten wrote...
But you've already got an M rating attached to Dragon Age: Origins, no? Unless you're shooting for a T rating with Dragon Age 2 I can't see why you'd want to keep the awkward looking sex scenes. It's not as if adding nudity ( where appropriate )  would suddenly propel the game to AO.

Sure... but see again where I said "just because you can doesn't mean you should". We'll include what we consider tasteful, and since we're not restricted to a Teen rating that means we can push the boundaries in other areas... as we choose. We'll do what we think is tasteful.

As for "awkward looking sex scenes", I'm not sure how one thing has anything to do with the other. Making them "less awkward" doesn't necessarily mean adding nudity. Again, it's simply a matter of taste.

And may I add that going too far can make a sex scene even more akward than going on the safe side.

[Margaret_TheElf]

David Gaider wrote...

Marionetten wrote...
But you've already got an M rating attached to Dragon Age: Origins, no? Unless you're shooting for a T rating with Dragon Age 2 I can't see why you'd want to keep the awkward looking sex scenes. It's not as if adding nudity ( where appropriate )  would suddenly propel the game to AO.

Sure... but see again where I said "just because you can doesn't mean you should". We'll include what we consider tasteful, and since we're not restricted to a Teen rating that means we can push the boundaries in other areas... as we choose. We'll do what we think is tasteful.

As for "awkward looking sex scenes", I'm not sure how one thing has anything to do with the other. Making them "less awkward" doesn't necessarily mean adding nudity. Again, it's simply a matter of taste.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcToCbXneIrmTWomilg398rXtlyITEDGjwC9ZqXZZNDPMcik9uo&t=1&usg=__SZlok_fbqBGQj6QvrjZP4vWy7uQ= Well said, Mr. Gaider.

[Dave of Canada]

David Gaider wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
And is there a reason to not include it?

Because we don't want it there? Just because you can doesn't mean you should. We'll add what we think is tasteful according to our own standards, and no more.

Oh I agree, I was just being the Devil's Advocate.

[tybbiesniffer]

StonerMkII wrote...

What i find hilarious beyond all belief is that Dragon Age is Mature rated correct? Meaning, to purchase the game you MUST be 17 or older. In the US, 17 is more or less considered an adult, and in some states IS considered an adult. What i dont understand is why they continue to censor and change their Mature rated games for these little kids. Its "M" rated. No kid should be playing it, period. My personal feeling is parents who buy a "M" rated game for anyone under 17 should see a heavy fine and/or jail time. Sick and tired of reading news articles where parents are trying to sue "X" gaming company because Little Timmy saw a set of breasts, place the blame where it belongs, on the parents, and stop censoring games that are INTENDED for ADULTS age 17 or older.

That's what bothers me.  When the ratings are ignored by parents (who don't bother to monitor what they're buying their children), it becomes everyone else's fault if their children play a game (or watch a movie, etc.) that isn't appropriate for them.  By all means, developers should make whatever game they want to make but I find the idea that they should design content around a consumer base that the rating clearly dictates the game was not intended for annoying.

slimgrin wrote...

What!? You haven't played Mass Effect?........

Get off the net. Buy the game. See you in about 45 hrs.

But this thread is interesting!  <grumble>  I'll order it right now.

[Arrtis]

David Gaider wrote...

Marionetten wrote...
But you've already got an M rating attached to Dragon Age: Origins, no? Unless you're shooting for a T rating with Dragon Age 2 I can't see why you'd want to keep the awkward looking sex scenes. It's not as if adding nudity ( where appropriate )  would suddenly propel the game to AO.

Sure... but see again where I said "just because you can doesn't mean you should". We'll include what we consider tasteful, and since we're not restricted to a Teen rating that means we can push the boundaries in other areas... as we choose. We'll do what we think is tasteful.

As for "awkward looking sex scenes", I'm not sure how one thing has anything to do with the other. Making them "less awkward" doesn't necessarily mean adding nudity. Again, it's simply a matter of taste.

SO what do you consdier tasteful?
Would you say brothel scenes were tasteful?
Would you say ME1 scenes were tasteful?

[Marionetten]

David Gaider wrote...

Sure... but see again where I said "just because you can doesn't mean you should". We'll include what we consider tasteful, and since we're not restricted to a Teen rating that means we can push the boundaries in other areas... as we choose. We'll do what we think is tasteful.

As for "awkward looking sex scenes", I'm not sure how one thing has anything to do with the other. Making them "less awkward" doesn't necessarily mean adding nudity. Again, it's simply a matter of taste.

Cosplay fetishists aside, people are typically in the nude when doing it. It was especially jarring to see Morrigan dress up for the occassion. I'm just not sure how you're going to pull off credible looking sex scenes without the nudity. It's kind of an integral part to the sex thing.

I didn't mind what was done in Mass Effect... but that did feature characters in the nude even if nothing was shown.

[Arrtis]

Hey as a stupid person I will happily wage war with you!

[AlexXIV]

tybbiesniffer wrote...

StonerMkII wrote...

What i find hilarious beyond all belief is that Dragon Age is Mature rated correct? Meaning, to purchase the game you MUST be 17 or older. In the US, 17 is more or less considered an adult, and in some states IS considered an adult. What i dont understand is why they continue to censor and change their Mature rated games for these little kids. Its "M" rated. No kid should be playing it, period. My personal feeling is parents who buy a "M" rated game for anyone under 17 should see a heavy fine and/or jail time. Sick and tired of reading news articles where parents are trying to sue "X" gaming company because Little Timmy saw a set of breasts, place the blame where it belongs, on the parents, and stop censoring games that are INTENDED for ADULTS age 17 or older.

That's what bothers me.  When the ratings are ignored by parents (who don't bother to monitor what they're buying their children), it becomes everyone else's fault if their children play a game (or watch a movie, etc.) that isn't appropriate for them.  By all means, developers should make whatever game they want to make but I find the idea that they should design content around a consumer base that the rating clearly dictates the game was not intended for annoying.

slimgrin wrote...

What!? You haven't played Mass Effect?........

Get off the net. Buy the game. See you in about 45 hrs.

But this thread is interesting!    I'll order it right now.

Thing is parents are not the only ones responsible for you. The whole society is. That's why we have laws and cops and not just parents.

[HighlandBerserkr]

David Gaider wrote...

Marionetten wrote...
But you've already got an M rating attached to Dragon Age: Origins, no? Unless you're shooting for a T rating with Dragon Age 2 I can't see why you'd want to keep the awkward looking sex scenes. It's not as if adding nudity ( where appropriate )  would suddenly propel the game to AO.

Sure... but see again where I said "just because you can doesn't mean you should". We'll include what we consider tasteful, and since we're not restricted to a Teen rating that means we can push the boundaries in other areas... as we choose. We'll do what we think is tasteful.

As for "awkward looking sex scenes", I'm not sure how one thing has anything to do with the other. Making them "less awkward" doesn't necessarily mean adding nudity. Again, it's simply a matter of taste.

Too true, although i wouldn't mind seeing more nudity its not the lack thereof that made the scenes in Dragon AGe O akward, it was the fact that they were in some pretty segustive sexual positions while still wearing underwear that made it seem akward, so i guess what i am saying is less is more so to speak, if your not going to ad dmore nudity then maybe tone down the actually moment from what i have seen from mass effect they were handled a little better.