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[HighlandBerserkr]

That being said you can have a little nudity and still be tasteful

[Arrtis]

jln.francisco wrote...

Thing is parents are not the only ones responsible for you. The whole society is. That's why we have laws and cops and not just parents.

Really? Wow. Glad I'm not one of your kids.

Hey as a stupid person I will happily wage war with you!

But on whom and with what? I am sadly out of vodka (drank it all) and am in no condition to be using a firearm. *burps*

Your asking me?Are yous tupid?

[David Gaider]

jln.francisco wrote...
I love how murdering a poor woman in cold blood as she's begging her god to spare her is 'tasteful' but a few minutes of bare boob or ass is totally 'wrong.'

Hey, I'm not saying that Dragon Age is a delicate flower or a Norman Rockwell painting-- unless either of those things can be covered in blood and used to bludgeon you to death, I suppose-- but simply that we'll be the judge of where the line is drawn for ourselves. We're not here to include every naughty thing under the sun just because we can.

But I seem to be using this topic to wage a proxy war on the stupidity of society, so I'll just shut up.

Indeed. Philosophical arguments over the nature of censorship can go to Off Topic, please.

[Yalision]

David Gaider wrote...

Marionetten wrote...
But you've already got an M rating attached to Dragon Age: Origins, no? Unless you're shooting for a T rating with Dragon Age 2 I can't see why you'd want to keep the awkward looking sex scenes. It's not as if adding nudity ( where appropriate )  would suddenly propel the game to AO.

Sure... but see again where I said "just because you can doesn't mean you should". We'll include what we consider tasteful, and since we're not restricted to a Teen rating that means we can push the boundaries in other areas... as we choose. We'll do what we think is tasteful.

As for "awkward looking sex scenes", I'm not sure how one thing has anything to do with the other. Making them "less awkward" doesn't necessarily mean adding nudity. Again, it's simply a matter of taste.

But of course it's not awkward or hilarious at all that your character is getting down in their underwear. Dry humping doesn't really scream romantic, or love, it's just ridiculous; and not to shoot myself in the foot, but I'd just rather fade to black altogether than endure that kind of stupid.

No offense. Why include an adult situation if you don't plan on handling it with the maturity and taste that your fans/community have come to respect from every other aspect of your games. It sticks out like a sore thumb when other companies are pushing the boundaries for acceptable content, yet as a juggernaut yourselves you stand back not because of taste, im my opinion, but because you are afraid of the media wolves.

[Apollo Starflare]

Brockololly wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

And unless we're going whole hog with the nudity, I'm not sure why we would slip in the occasional nipple-- you'd get rated the same regardless of the amount, so it hardly seems worth it (to me, anyway) from a sales perspective.

Yeah, unless there is a reason for it I don't see why you NEED nudity. It was just a bit odd in Origins however to have Morrigan magically in MORE clothing for the sex scene than her normal robes...

But since I'm taking a wild guess that DA2 will be an M rated game in the US, do you guys really do studies or anything on how a "nudity" or "Sexual content" descriptor would affect sales?

I have a feeling we'll see an improvement in those scenes. I'm hoping by 'they can be improved but that doesn't necessarily mean nudity' DG is hinting that the new more cinematic/dynamic conversations (and camera use in general) will carry over to the those scenes. Really Origins did nothing different to ME, but due to using less camera trickery we ended up with dodgy bra's.

[Arrtis]

HighlandBerserkr wrote...

That being said you can have a little nudity and still be tasteful

Can we have a lot of nudity adn be tasteful and not be calssified as porn?
Or would everyone in Bioware feel awkward discussing these things?

[AndrahilAdrian]

jln.francisco wrote...

I love how murdering a poor woman in cold blood as she's begging her god to spare her is 'tasteful' but a few minutes of bare boob or ass is totally 'wrong.'

This. Case-in-point: Dragon Age: Origins. Murdering an innocent child while his mother shields him with her body while begging you not to? In. But female nipples? Oh how scandalous!

Modifié par AndrahilAdrian, 20 août 2010 - 10:51 .

[Archereon]

Arrtis wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

Thing is parents are not the only ones responsible for you. The whole society is. That's why we have laws and cops and not just parents.

Really? Wow. Glad I'm not one of your kids.

Hey as a stupid person I will happily wage war with you!

But on whom and with what? I am sadly out of vodka (drank it all) and am in no condition to be using a firearm. *burps*

Your asking me?Are yous tupid?

While parents have an obligation to protect their children, nobody is perfect.  The whole purpose of society is to make up for the flaws of the one through cooperation.

[AlexXIV]

jln.francisco wrote...

Really? Wow. Glad I'm not one of your kids.

I suggest you have kids and then try to monitor them every second of their life. Maybe you change your mind then. And I am also glad you are not one of my kids.

[Jalem001]

David Gaider wrote...

Because we don't want it there? Just because you can doesn't mean you should. We'll add what we think is tasteful according to our own standards, and no more.

And unless we're going whole hog with the nudity, I'm not sure why we would slip in the occasional nipple-- you'd get rated the same regardless of the amount, so it hardly seems worth it (to me, anyway) from a sales perspective.

Facebook has me trained to look for a way to like posts.  So um.../like

Seriously, the whole nudity thing is kinda childish.  Who cares?  We all know what happens.

[Quinnzel]

David Gaider wrote...

Hey, I'm not saying that Dragon Age is a delicate flower or a Norman Rockwell painting-- unless either of those things can be covered in blood and used to bludgeon you to death

Instant sig quote there!

David Gaider wrote...

We're not here to include every naughty thing under the sun just because we can.

So thats a no to the Nutella? The fangirls will be sad.

Modifié par Quinnzel, 20 août 2010 - 10:54 .

[Arrtis]

slimgrin wrote...

So umm...will there be nipples Mr. Gaider?

Yes....On broodmothers.

[David Gaider]

Yalision wrote...
But of course it's not awkward or hilarious at all that your character is getting down in their underwear. Dry humping doesn't really scream romantic, or love, it's just ridiculous; and not to shoot myself in the foot, but I'd just rather fade to black altogether than endure that kind of stupid.

No offense. Why include an adult situation if you don't plan on handling it with the maturity and taste that your fans/community have come to respect from every other aspect of your games. It sticks out like a sore thumb when other companies are pushing the boundaries for acceptable content, yet as a juggernaut yourselves you stand back not because of taste, im my opinion, but because you are afraid of the media wolves.

I don't think DAO was without its own risque elements, and if there's a battle to be fought over anything you'll have to forgive us if we choose which hills we want to die on. Even so, if there's an improvement to be made to romantic scenes I don't think it necessarily means more nudity. Perhaps it means a change to how those scenes are rendered.

[Marionetten]

Arrtis wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

So umm...will there be nipples Mr. Gaider?

Yes....On broodmothers.

What about Harversters?

[mellifera]

Quinnzel wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Hey, I'm not saying that Dragon Age is a delicate flower or a Norman Rockwell painting-- unless either of those things can be covered in blood and used to bludgeon you to death

Instant sig quote there!

David Gaider wrote...

We're not here to include every naughty thing under the sun just because we can.

So thats a no to the Nutella? The fangirls will be sad.

I am crying into my silky handkerchief made from of Varric's chest hair and Hawke's beard

[Arrtis]

David Gaider wrote...

Yalision wrote...
But of course it's not awkward or hilarious at all that your character is getting down in their underwear. Dry humping doesn't really scream romantic, or love, it's just ridiculous; and not to shoot myself in the foot, but I'd just rather fade to black altogether than endure that kind of stupid.

No offense. Why include an adult situation if you don't plan on handling it with the maturity and taste that your fans/community have come to respect from every other aspect of your games. It sticks out like a sore thumb when other companies are pushing the boundaries for acceptable content, yet as a juggernaut yourselves you stand back not because of taste, im my opinion, but because you are afraid of the media wolves.

I don't think DAO was without its own risque elements, and if there's a battle to be fought over anything you'll have to forgive us if we choose which hills we want to die on. Even so, if there's an improvement to be made to romantic scenes I don't think it necessarily means more nudity. Perhaps it means a change to how those scenes are rendered.

SO you do not want it done with any nudity....why exactly?Because you do not need it to improve it?
Rawr we want control over this game now gimme gimme gimme~!!!

[Archereon]

David Gaider wrote...

Yalision wrote...
But of course it's not awkward or hilarious at all that your character is getting down in their underwear. Dry humping doesn't really scream romantic, or love, it's just ridiculous; and not to shoot myself in the foot, but I'd just rather fade to black altogether than endure that kind of stupid.

No offense. Why include an adult situation if you don't plan on handling it with the maturity and taste that your fans/community have come to respect from every other aspect of your games. It sticks out like a sore thumb when other companies are pushing the boundaries for acceptable content, yet as a juggernaut yourselves you stand back not because of taste, im my opinion, but because you are afraid of the media wolves.

I don't think DAO was without its own risque elements, and if there's a battle to be fought over anything you'll have to forgive us if we choose which hills we want to die on. Even so, if there's an improvement to be made to romantic scenes I don't think it necessarily means more nudity. Perhaps it means a change to how those scenes are rendered.

Or maybe nudidity implied through camera angles and sillhouettes like in mass effect 1?

[NatOreN]

David Gaider wrote...

I don't think DAO was without its own risque elements, and if there's a battle to be fought over anything you'll have to forgive us if we choose which hills we want to die on. Even so, if there's an improvement to be made to romantic scenes I don't think it necessarily means more nudity. Perhaps it means a change to how those scenes are rendered.

I'd say go a bit back to Jade Empire. I must say, I really think JE's romance scene took the cake. It was short, simple and sweet.

[David Gaider]

Archereon wrote...
Or maybe nudidity implied through camera angles and sillhouettes like in mass effect 1?

You'll just have to wait and see, won't you?

[Arrtis]

We need shadows going into positions.

A bright light ensues and they are in a new position,

SUch a thing should only happen during a love scene with a mage.

[Archereon]

David Gaider wrote...

Archereon wrote...
Or maybe nudidity implied through camera angles and sillhouettes like in mass effect 1?

You'll just have to wait and see, won't you?

*Jedi mind trick*

You will tell us what the scenes in DA2 will be like...