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[Arrtis]

slimgrin wrote...

I've seen the pixel-boobies in TW2 games con preview. They look natural to me, not even obscene. They are just there.

No doubt this alone will cause a furor in America. We may have to download the 'North American nipple patch' to get full-game content. Of course, if nipples mean that much to me, I must be some sort of prevert

UNderstand 99% of men would be classifed as perverts.

[Seifz]

thegreateski wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

What is with this incessant need for pixel-boobies? Do they really add THAT much quality to a game? I'm thinking no...

You missunderstand, the problem isn't what the games aren't showing; it's that they pretend like there is nothing to show, that there is no such thing as a nipple. I feel like that kind of censorship takes away a lot of believability and seriousness from the story.

There is no censorship. Bioware chose to not include nudity in their game.

Indeed.  They just failed horribly at creating good sex scenes without nudity.

Although, I question the need for such scenes at all.  Why is the romance plot always "say what (s)he wants to hear until s(he) is willing to sleep with you"?  Why must they all end in sex?  It rather dilutes the romance when I know that the end goal is sex before we even begin.  Bleh.

slimgrin wrote...

I've seen the pixel-boobies in TW2 games con preview. They look natural to me, not even obscene. They are just there.

No
doubt this alone will cause a furor in America. We may have to download
the 'North American nipple patch' to get full-game content. Of course,
if nipples mean that much to me, I must be some sort of prevert

Yes.  We hate nipples so much that we spend billions of dollars every year on porn and use sex to sell just about everything.  Damn Americans being all prudes and uh... what?

Modifié par Seifz, 20 août 2010 - 11:53 .

[thegreateski]

Arrtis wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I've seen the pixel-boobies in TW2 games con preview. They look natural to me, not even obscene. They are just there.

No doubt this alone will cause a furor in America. We may have to download the 'North American nipple patch' to get full-game content. Of course, if nipples mean that much to me, I must be some sort of prevert

UNderstand 99% of men would be classifed as perverts.

Indeed

[TheMufflon]

thegreateski wrote...

There is no censorship. Bioware chose to not include nudity in their game.

Self-censoring is also censoring.

[NatOreN]

Arrtis wrote...

Remember video games are all about raising mass murdering future soldiers....

And love is irrellevant, am I right?
I'd love to quote Morrigan to add to my post, but memory fails me...

Modifié par Saivar, 20 août 2010 - 11:57 .

[thegreateski]

TheMufflon wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

There is no censorship. Bioware chose to not include nudity in their game.

Self-censoring is also censoring.

No. It's not.

It's called good business sense.

[Arrtis]

thegreateski wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

There is no censorship. Bioware chose to not include nudity in their game.

Self-censoring is also censoring.

No. It's not.

It's called good business sense.

Its called practicing restraint.
If you do not someone else will practice oppression.

[Gaxhung]

Censorship in this game is fine I think, I don't want family catching a glimpse of my screen and thinking i am playing some sort of pervy porn game.

I do have a suggestion, instead of focusing on faux sex, better to show intimacy, as in closeness between 2 characters, the quite moments between humping, which is probably a lot harder to depict than barbie doll sex. Ah nevermind.

Modifié par Gaxhung, 21 août 2010 - 12:03 .

[TheMufflon]

thegreateski wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

Self-censoring is also censoring.

No. It's not.

You might wish to consult a dictionary.

[Seifz]

jln.francisco wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

There is no censorship. Bioware chose to not include nudity in their game.

Self-censoring is also censoring.

No. It's not.

It's called good business sense.

Its called practicing restraint.
If you do not someone else will practice oppression.

And they'll receive the two finger salute in return.

At least you aknowledge censors are by their nature oppressors, though.

Is your argument that BioWare is censoring themselves because they chose not to include nudity in a game that they created?  Really?

[tybbiesniffer]

slimgrin wrote...

I've seen the pixel-boobies in TW2 games con preview. They look natural to me, not even obscene. They are just there.

No
doubt this alone will cause a furor in America. We may have to download
the 'North American nipple patch' to get full-game content. Of course,
if nipples mean that much to me, I must be some sort of prevert

slimgrin wrote...

Psychologists call it repression.

Between the phrase "North American nipple patch" (over which I couldn't help giggling) and Freud, you are now my favorite person.  What's a thread about sex and nudity without Freud, after all?

[TheMufflon]

Seifz wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

There is no censorship. Bioware chose to not include nudity in their game.

Self-censoring is also censoring.

No. It's not.

It's called good business sense.

Its called practicing restraint.
If you do not someone else will practice oppression.

And they'll receive the two finger salute in return.

At least you aknowledge censors are by their nature oppressors, though.

Is
your argument that BioWare is censoring themselves because they chose
not to include nudity in a game that they created?  Really?

They choose to include sex.

Modifié par TheMufflon, 21 août 2010 - 12:05 .

[thegreateski]

jln.francisco wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

There is no censorship. Bioware chose to not include nudity in their game.

Self-censoring is also censoring.

No. It's not.

It's called good business sense.

Its called practicing restraint.
If you do not someone else will practice oppression.

And they'll receive the two finger salute in return.

At least you aknowledge censors are by their nature oppressors, though.

Well yeah. They're censors. It's their job to stick their noses in other people's business.

Bioware is just avoiding the nudity thing so that the censors don't look at the rest of their game.

Calling attention to yourself is almost never a good idea.

[Arrtis]

A hidden blade in the crowd.....when the birds chirp bioware strikes.

[tybbiesniffer]

thegreateski wrote...

Well yeah. They're censors. It's their job to stick their noses in other people's business.

Bioware is just avoiding the nudity thing so that the censors don't look at the rest of their game.

Calling attention to yourself is almost never a good idea.

It's not that they simply chose not to include nudity that bothers some of us, I think, but that the awkward way (funky underwear sex scenes) in which they did it implies that they wanted the sex but not the repercussions. It's not that they avoided the nudity but the way they did it.

[Aedan_Cousland]

I'm kind of in the middle on the nudity in games issue.

I think all the criticism that Mass Effect got over it's sex scenes was ridiculous. The scenes in that game where well done, the nudity was not gratuitous at all, and it was nothing that we haven't seen in major Hollywood films. If it is ok in a film why isn't ok in a game, where the nudity is not even real? Just as there are R rated films marketed towards adults, what is wrong with a few games geared for a similar age group?
 
Really I think Bioware and other people in the gaming industry need to turn a deaf ear to these critics, as they aren't the people who are buying games anyway. Generally these critics are old, moralizing fuddy-duddies that  grew up in the 50s or 60s (or earlier), and never got into gaming. Their generation did not grow up playing games, and so they often view it soley as a hobby for adolescents.

That being said I also don't think nudity in games like Mass Effect or Dragon Age is a necessity, just as a film doesn't necessarily have to have nudity to be entertaining. If Bioware chooses not to show nudity in Dragon Age 2, I don't have a problem with it so long as the sex scenes are still well done & believable. The problem with Dragon Age is that there are multiple shots of the characters posing in their underwear. It all comes across as a bit corny. Hopefully in the sequel if there is no nudity, they portray the characters as nude but just make use of different camera angles to hide or obscure that naughty bits.
 
Mass Effect 2 also didn't have nudity but it did a much better job with the sex scenes than DAO. They were much more cinematic. Here are a couple from Mass Effect 2, for anyone who hasn't played it:

(Neeedless to say, spoilers ahead)





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6RHlWL2Oz0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRZsrQci2IA&feature=search

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 21 août 2010 - 12:15 .

[Bryy_Miller]

TheMufflon wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

Self-censoring is also censoring.

No. It's not.

You might wish to consult a dictionary.

Great job editing out the context of the quote! You get a gold star!