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[Haexpane]

EA like many other companies does what is in the best interest of sales.



Medal of Honor games, about war, death, and shootin ****s, no blood.



Why no blood? Easy Teen rating = more sales. Except they forgot to make MoH any good after MoH frontline.



I believe Sony removed blood from the SOCOM series starting at SOCOM 3? So diaper sex is a similar example. It's not true censorship (government not involved) it's more self censorship chasing sales.

[tmp7704]

slimgrin wrote...

It does. The preview at gamescon shows a woman chained to a wall and her blouse at her waste. No black bars over nipples.

I saw that preview. But while i may be paying too much attention to the meaning of words, "topless" doesn't equal "full frontal nudity" in my mind.

[Daryn Mercio]

Huwmin race wrote...

i wish we could have romance scenes like this i mean its classily done (mostly) and it isn't like full frontal nudity

That looks really well done, avoiding the total nudity, but still showing that the deed is gonna be done.
No one can complain about that. I hope Dragon age 2 is like this instead of people just rubbing their covered genitals on each other

[Daryn Mercio]

Haexpane wrote...

EA like many other companies does what is in the best interest of sales.

Medal of Honor games, about war, death, and shootin ****s, no blood.

Why no blood? Easy Teen rating = more sales. Except they forgot to make MoH any good after MoH frontline.

I believe Sony removed blood from the SOCOM series starting at SOCOM 3? So diaper sex is a similar example. It's not true censorship (government not involved) it's more self censorship chasing sales.

There were little spatters of blood if I remember correctly. Nothing crazy obviously

[Marionetten]

tmp7704 wrote...

Did they also state there actually is going to be "full frontal nudity"? Note, i don't mean just lack of obviously plastered-on censorship but actual focus on such "feature". It's not like the first Witcher really had that beyond the few static drawings on the cards and the dryad model; the cutscenes in game were made to very much not show anything.

There's pictures of Triss nude in a lake. So, yes. There's also nudity in the latest demo from GC.

And finally, there's this statement from CD Projekt's Tomasz Gop.

We’re not trying to achieve the “we showed full frontal nudity in US” trophy, we’re just reaching for a mature audience. The Witcher 2 will probably end up with the same ratings as The Witcher, and hopefully this time we will not cut down any content.

I remember that before release of The Witcher we got an opinion from ESRB saying that “the game contains really little violence compared to the amount of sex”, while at the same time PEGI was like “hey, the mature content in your game is so teen, you could easily spice it up a bit if you’d like”.

Go figure.

tmp7704 wrote...
"Punishment" feels like quite an overdramatic word for simply not showing some pixels pretending to be nude flesh. Especially when game mods render it pretty much moot issue.

As said, how would you feel if every game you played first had to go through German censorship?

I really don't understand why censorship of violence is less acceptable than censorship of nudity. If anything, it should be the other way around.

Modifié par Marionetten, 20 août 2010 - 07:27 .

[Kalfear]

tmp7704 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

It does. The preview at gamescon shows a woman chained to a wall and her blouse at her waste. No black bars over nipples.

I saw that preview. But while i may be paying too much attention to the meaning of words, "topless" doesn't equal "full frontal nudity" in my mind.

No your right, topless and full frontal are two different things!

Im not in favor of full frontal of male or female cause then it is getting close to the porn arguement the prudes like to make.

But topless, nothing wrong with that.

I can say, like Slim id be happy with ME1 style romance scenes but the granny panties of DA:O were immersion breakers and very annoying at the least!

As I said, im not interested in full nudity yet first thing I downloaded was the nudity patch because in your face, over the top nudity still better then the crap Bioware gave in DA:O (and ME2).

[Daryn Mercio]

slimgrin wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

With The Witcher 2 coming out with full frontal nudity (..)

Does it, actually? If you recall, the US version of first Witcher was censored. Wait and see if the same doesn't happen to the sequel before you declare it as fact.

It does. The preview at gamescon shows a woman chained to a wall and her blouse at her waste. No black bars over nipples.

There was also plenty of swearing alongside some more sophisticated dialog. classic Witcher.

where was this posted? I never read about anybody reading about this.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Marionetten wrote...

With The Witcher 2 coming out with full frontal nudity are we going to see any improvement in this department or are we stuck with hilariously awkward sex scenes and surprisingly decent brothels? I must admit I was rather shocked to see Morrigan dress up instead of down.

It would be nice to know if we had more to look forward to than even more gratuitous fountains of blood.

It DAO's tasteful approach THAT much harder to masterbate too?

[Nerevar-as]

Daryn Mercio wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

With The Witcher 2 coming out with full frontal nudity (..)

Does it, actually? If you recall, the US version of first Witcher was censored. Wait and see if the same doesn't happen to the sequel before you declare it as fact.

It does. The preview at gamescon shows a woman chained to a wall and her blouse at her waste. No black bars over nipples.

There was also plenty of swearing alongside some more sophisticated dialog. classic Witcher.

where was this posted? I never read about anybody reading about this.

There´s a link in the DA2-TW2 thread in this forum.

[Daryn Mercio]

P.S. does anyone remember how much people whined about GTA: SA, although it didn't show ANY nudity?

Crazy how America is eh?

[Marionetten]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

It DAO's tasteful approach THAT much harder to masterbate too?

Yes, I can't say I have a diaper fetish.

I'm sure it was very tastefully done in your eyes, though.

[Nerevar-as]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

With The Witcher 2 coming out with full frontal nudity are we going to see any improvement in this department or are we stuck with hilariously awkward sex scenes and surprisingly decent brothels? I must admit I was rather shocked to see Morrigan dress up instead of down.

It would be nice to know if we had more to look forward to than even more gratuitous fountains of blood.

It DAO's tasteful approach THAT much harder to masterbate too?

ME1 is tasteful. Sands of Time is tasteful. DA:O is stupid.

[Daryn Mercio]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

With The Witcher 2 coming out with full frontal nudity are we going to see any improvement in this department or are we stuck with hilariously awkward sex scenes and surprisingly decent brothels? I must admit I was rather shocked to see Morrigan dress up instead of down.

It would be nice to know if we had more to look forward to than even more gratuitous fountains of blood.

It DAO's tasteful approach THAT much harder to masterbate too?

Unless you get off in a minute, I doubt anyone jerks it to the sex scenes bro. Actually, nvm that statment, because it would be absurd to just ****** to bras and panties going up and down in slow motion.

[Daryn Mercio]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Daryn Mercio wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

With The Witcher 2 coming out with full frontal nudity (..)

Does it, actually? If you recall, the US version of first Witcher was censored. Wait and see if the same doesn't happen to the sequel before you declare it as fact.

It does. The preview at gamescon shows a woman chained to a wall and her blouse at her waste. No black bars over nipples.

There was also plenty of swearing alongside some more sophisticated dialog. classic Witcher.

where was this posted? I never read about anybody reading about this.

There´s a link in the DA2-TW2 thread in this forum.

oh nevermind, I thought it was about a scene liek that in Origins, sorry just confused

[NonCanon]

I'm not sure what you mean by sex being so taboo in America, because there's an abundant amount of sex and nudity in tv/movies. I mean, most movies have sex scenes, even if it has nothing to do with anything.

Yeah, it's taboo in video games, which is ridiculous. I have nothing against tastefully done nudity in video games, it shouldn't be all out porn but it shouldn't be creepy underwear sex either.

[Daryn Mercio]

Hey, since this game is obviously mature, why is it a big deal to include nudity (I am for the topless thing, as full frontal would be bit wierd)? I mean as adults we should be able to take nudity considering most young teenagers have seen a boob before they are 17.

[zahra]

relhart wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

zahra wrote...

Am I the only one who doesn't want to see full nudity? I see sex in games as lol in general, or (with some mods) awww-inducing. I don't play games feeling like oh yeah sexy time. I've seen the nude mods and they make me cringe.

People have brought this very same argument to the following mediums: Painting, Sculpture, literature, and cinema.

What argument?  Censorship implies opression, Bioware isn't being opressed, they can very well put all the nudity in games they damn well please, and I'm sure they would if they thought they could sell more units that way. Movies that aren't porns aren't "censored", the creaters just decided they didn't want porn in the movie.

I second this query, what argument are you referring to? I am not supporting censorship, I just don't see games as the best medium to present sex in a "true life" manner. Mainly because I think it would make it even more "lol" inducing.

Or perhaps this is just my approach when I play games, I am immersed to a certain extent, but not to the point that I can take any erotic scene presented by pixels in the same way I would face a "real life" erotic scene. I can endure Loghain having his head chopped off but I would feel physically sick at the thought of seeing a reenactment of that scene using real human beings. 

[sporky1]

iTomes wrote...

Heavenblade wrote...

We have to end all these ridiculous and baseless taboos we have as a society, especially in North America. It's ruining art and public discourse. Also it encourages our children to become sex offenders because their ideas of sex are so messed up and twisted by our taboos that they get zero guidance or truthful and honest discussion during their formative years.

Censorship and prudishness is not only bad for art, it's bad for humanity as a whole.

That's my two cents and I will leave it at that and not debate any further.

you pretty much have a point there.... i mean come on. according to america flying heads and stuff arent as bad as nudity, the big bad evil satan send to destroy peoples minds... i mean come on! that porn isnt really necessary we all know and it surely isnt a good thing for children... but theres a difference between porn and nudity, i guess its called "taste" or something...

Our ideas for censorship go all the way back to the Puritans. Because its ingrained in American society, one cannot simply say "end taboos" for it to happen. It will take an incredibly long time, and when it finally happens, the original idea for getting rid of censorship will likely just become another reason to get turned on. In other words, ending cesorship for the sake of art (which I am all for) is too idealistic.

[tmp7704]

Marionetten wrote...

There's pictures of Triss nude in a lake. So, yes. There's also nudity in the latest demo from GC.

And none of that seems to be "full frontal nudity" you mention -- Triss in lake is shown either from the back or from side, mostly of fully submerged. You can get a glimpse of nude butt there, but... well, that's really "full frontal nudity" for extremely generous definition of both full and frontal.

Also note, the quote from the developer can be very well read they don't have that apparently so coveted full frontal nudity in their game -- hence the statements they 'aren't trying to get the trophy for that' and that hopefully this time no content would need to be cut down. That implies milder content rather than the opposite, as only a crazy person would hope more blatant content would survive when moderate one didn't.

I really don't understand why censorship of violence is less acceptable than censorship of nudity. If anything, it should be the other way around.

I can agree with that, i just don't feel it's some punishment if a game doesn't show me nude 3d model. Mostly because putting it this way implies that showing it is "reward" of some sort (punishment being act of withelding that "reward") and that just doesn't mesh with the "we're all mature to see nudity as something normal and not really worth such attention" arguments generally used in these discussions.

[Daryn Mercio]

Nudity is part of being human, it is everywhere, this is just one example

http://www.johnmitchell.org/venus.htm

[Divine Justinia V]

I just don't want my character have a blank, surprised almost, face while she's doing the deed.