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[NonCanon]

VittoriaLandis wrote...

I just don't want my character have a blank, surprised almost, face while she's doing the deed.

I agree. No more zombie face sex.

[Daryn Mercio]

can't you get that at 17 years old?

[Vandrayke]

filaminstrel wrote...

relhart wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

zahra wrote...

Am I the only one who doesn't want to see full nudity? I see sex in games as lol in general, or (with some mods) awww-inducing. I don't play games feeling like oh yeah sexy time. I've seen the nude mods and they make me cringe.

People have brought this very same argument to the following mediums: Painting, Sculpture, literature, and cinema.

What argument?  Censorship implies opression, Bioware isn't being opressed, they can very well put all the nudity in games they damn well please, and I'm sure they would if they thought they could sell more units that way. Movies that aren't porns aren't "censored", the creaters just decided they didn't want porn in the movie.

But if they put nudity in the game, according to ESRB rules anyway, it will acquire the unsellable NC-17 rating.

yeah if it can't go in wal-mart you can't sell it.  Period.  

[Kohaku]

Exactly. I've never understood what was so wrong with showing skin as long as it's tasteful and not just there because.

What ticks me off more is parents who think their children should be able to play everything when it's clearly not marketed for them and then they raise all hell because of the content. That's the whole reason we have the damn rating system so your children won't be exposed to things like that.

Modifié par Kerridan Kaiba, 20 août 2010 - 07:54 .

[hexaligned]

sporky1 wrote...

iTomes wrote...

Heavenblade wrote...

We have to end all these ridiculous and baseless taboos we have as a society, especially in North America. It's ruining art and public discourse. Also it encourages our children to become sex offenders because their ideas of sex are so messed up and twisted by our taboos that they get zero guidance or truthful and honest discussion during their formative years.

Censorship and prudishness is not only bad for art, it's bad for humanity as a whole.

That's my two cents and I will leave it at that and not debate any further.

you pretty much have a point there.... i mean come on. according to america flying heads and stuff arent as bad as nudity, the big bad evil satan send to destroy peoples minds... i mean come on! that porn isnt really necessary we all know and it surely isnt a good thing for children... but theres a difference between porn and nudity, i guess its called "taste" or something...

Our ideas for censorship go all the way back to the Puritans. Because its ingrained in American society, one cannot simply say "end taboos" for it to happen. It will take an incredibly long time, and when it finally happens, the original idea for getting rid of censorship will likely just become another reason to get turned on. In other words, ending cesorship for the sake of art (which I am all for) is too idealistic.

Even then the US has a more open view of it than the majority of the world, (anyone with a knowlege of China or India or the middle east knows how silly this talk of "censorship" in the west is, reletively speaking)  and it still varies widely from state to state.  I live in the only state in the union where it's legal for women to go topless (NY) and people I know from the south look at me like I'm from Mars when I start telling stories.

Don't get me wrong there are some wacked out Christians in the US, we also have the legal power to shut them down though (and do quite often)

Modifié par relhart, 20 août 2010 - 07:59 .

[tmp7704]

slimgrin wrote...

If story and character romance calls for jubblies, show the jubblies. If it calls for heads to roll, let them roll.

I want a game for adults. That is what The Witcher is.

Sex scenes in the Witcher showed generally panning shots of characters' bare ankles, jumping beds and old hag staring at the ceiling with look of clear disapproval. It really isn't the best choice for champion of "show me the money, show me the ****** explicitly" campaign.

[AntiChri5]

slimgrin wrote...

If story and character romance calls for jubblies, show the jubblies. If it calls for heads to roll, let them roll.

Agreed.

slimgrin wrote...

I want a game for adults. That is what The Witcher is. There are plenty of games for adolescents already. It's time for the industry to grow up a bit.

Odd. I would have described the way it was handled in the Witcher as adolescent.

[Vandrayke]

slimgrin wrote...

Yes, lets look to China and India when discussing nudity and censorship...

it was just a juxtaposition, not an example of what we should strive for, I think

[AngryFrozenWater]

relhart wrote...

sporky1 wrote...

iTomes wrote...

Heavenblade wrote...

We have to end all these ridiculous and baseless taboos we have as a society, especially in North America. It's ruining art and public discourse. Also it encourages our children to become sex offenders because their ideas of sex are so messed up and twisted by our taboos that they get zero guidance or truthful and honest discussion during their formative years.

Censorship and prudishness is not only bad for art, it's bad for humanity as a whole.

That's my two cents and I will leave it at that and not debate any further.

you pretty much have a point there.... i mean come on. according to america flying heads and stuff arent as bad as nudity, the big bad evil satan send to destroy peoples minds... i mean come on! that porn isnt really necessary we all know and it surely isnt a good thing for children... but theres a difference between porn and nudity, i guess its called "taste" or something...

Our ideas for censorship go all the way back to the Puritans. Because its ingrained in American society, one cannot simply say "end taboos" for it to happen. It will take an incredibly long time, and when it finally happens, the original idea for getting rid of censorship will likely just become another reason to get turned on. In other words, ending cesorship for the sake of art (which I am all for) is too idealistic.

Even then the US has a more open view of it than the majority of the world, (anyone with a knowlege of China or India or the middle east knows how silly this talk of "censorship" in the west is, reletively speaking)  and it still varies widely from state to state.  I live in the only state in the union where it's legal for women to go topless (NY) and people I know from the south look at me like I'm from Mars when I start telling stories.

Stories? Children's bedtime stories? What stories? I hope the word "nipple" is not in it.

[hexaligned]

AntiChri5 wrote...


Odd. I would have described the way it was handled in the Witcher as adolescent.

Agreed, the Witcher dealt with some mature social themes, the sexuality was presented like a 14 year olds wet dream though.

[hexaligned]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

relhart wrote...

sporky1 wrote...

iTomes wrote...

Heavenblade wrote...

We have to end all these ridiculous and baseless taboos we have as a society, especially in North America. It's ruining art and public discourse. Also it encourages our children to become sex offenders because their ideas of sex are so messed up and twisted by our taboos that they get zero guidance or truthful and honest discussion during their formative years.

Censorship and prudishness is not only bad for art, it's bad for humanity as a whole.

That's my two cents and I will leave it at that and not debate any further.

you pretty much have a point there.... i mean come on. according to america flying heads and stuff arent as bad as nudity, the big bad evil satan send to destroy peoples minds... i mean come on! that porn isnt really necessary we all know and it surely isnt a good thing for children... but theres a difference between porn and nudity, i guess its called "taste" or something...

Our ideas for censorship go all the way back to the Puritans. Because its ingrained in American society, one cannot simply say "end taboos" for it to happen. It will take an incredibly long time, and when it finally happens, the original idea for getting rid of censorship will likely just become another reason to get turned on. In other words, ending cesorship for the sake of art (which I am all for) is too idealistic.

Even then the US has a more open view of it than the majority of the world, (anyone with a knowlege of China or India or the middle east knows how silly this talk of "censorship" in the west is, reletively speaking)  and it still varies widely from state to state.  I live in the only state in the union where it's legal for women to go topless (NY) and people I know from the south look at me like I'm from Mars when I start telling stories.

Stories? Children's bedtime stories? What stories? I hope the word "nipple" is not in it.

Sit awhile! and listen!

[Kalfear]

slimgrin wrote...

If story and character romance calls for jubblies, show the jubblies. If it calls for heads to roll, let them roll.

I want a game for adults. That is what The Witcher is. There are plenty of games for adolescents already. It's time for the industry to grow up a bit.

Preach it Slim, Preach it

AntiChri5 wrote...

Odd. I would have described the way it was handled in the Witcher as adolescent.

From what I seen most children cant get past "ohhh their nakid on the cards" mentality so not surprised that you call it adolescent.

Adults Ive shown it to get a chuckle and enjoy the actual adult content for a change!

To many people take the cards far to serious (americans it seems), they are just a side game for laughs, nothing more nothing less. A little momento. If you find yourself going back to the cards and exciting yourself to them, well then you have issues and not using the cards as they were intended.

[AntiChri5]

Kalfear wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Odd. I would have described the way it was handled in the Witcher as adolescent.

From what I seen most children cant get past "ohhh their nakid on the cards" mentality so not surprised that you call it adolescent.

Adults Ive shown it to get a chuckle and enjoy the actual adult content for a change!

To many people take the cards far to serious (americans it seems), they are just a side game for laughs, nothing more nothing less. A little momento. If you find yourself going back to the cards and exciting yourself to them, well then you have issues and not using the cards as they were intended.

Not just the cards, but the overall ease of it.

I remember hearing how Geralt was a mutant, a disfigured freak.

How does he interact with women?

"Heres some Tulips!"

"Wow lets have sex!"

"I saved you!"

Meet me over there tomorrow so we can have sex!"

"Heres a glove!"

"Wow lets have sex!"

Im up to act two, and have only encountered one woman with an even vaugely reasonable chest.

[DaringMoosejaw]

I'd be fine if it was like Mass Effect's scenes. The entire media controversy was started because no-one even saw the goddamned scene and started making **** up. Even JACK GODDAMN THOMPSON said it was overblown!

[AntiChri5]

slimgrin wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Odd. I would have described the way it was handled in the Witcher as adolescent.

From what I seen most children cant get past "ohhh their nakid on the cards" mentality so not surprised that you call it adolescent.

Adults Ive shown it to get a chuckle and enjoy the actual adult content for a change!

To many people take the cards far to serious (americans it seems), they are just a side game for laughs, nothing more nothing less. A little momento. If you find yourself going back to the cards and exciting yourself to them, well then you have issues and not using the cards as they were intended.

Not just the cards, but the overall ease of it.

I remember hearing how Geralt was a mutant, a disfigured freak.

How does he interact with women?

"Heres some Tulips!"

"Wow lets have sex!"

"I saved you!"

Meet me over there tomorrow so we can have sex!"

"Heres a glove!"

"Wow lets have sex!"

Im up to act two, and have only encountered one woman with an even vaugely reasonable chest.

 To be fair, some of those ladies you were sleeping with for gifts happened to be hookers. So its not a real stretch.

Actually, i deliberatly omitted the prostitute(s) from my rant (because anyone shocked that a prostitute will sleep with you for goods/money needs a slap upside the head). I was specifically refferring to an unnamed npc in chapter 1 (the tulips), a woman you escort home one night in chapter 1, and a woman named "gossip" (the glove).
Usually all Geralt has to do is wave his hand and their tearing their clothes off.

Do Witchers get Jedi powers?

[Marionetten]

tmp7704 wrote...

And none of that seems to be "full frontal nudity" you mention -- Triss in lake is shown either from the back or from side, mostly of fully submerged. You can get a glimpse of nude butt there, but... well, that's really "full frontal nudity" for extremely generous definition of both full and frontal.

It's a shot of her buttocks. There's a similar shot featuring an elf, too. Take that as you will. Clearly you are convinced that The Witcher 2 won't have full frontal nudity despite The Witcher having it.

tmp7704 wrote..

Also note, the quote from the developer can be very well read they don't have that apparently so coveted full frontal nudity in their game -- hence the statements they 'aren't trying to get the trophy for that' and that hopefully this time no content would need to be cut down. That implies milder content rather than the opposite, as only a crazy person would hope more blatant content would survive when moderate one didn't.

It means they aren't going to go "HEY LOOK, GUYS!  WE'VE  GOT BOOBIES." But if you chose to interpret it that way then that is your prerogative. You're clearly wrong in your interpretation ( which I suspect you fully realize ) but it's your prerogative nonetheless.

And no, it means that ESRB has matured. May I point to The Lost and Damned and its M rating?

[sw33t nothings]

What I find amusing are rating systems in general. I live in Quebec, Canada and we have a different film rating system called La Regie de Cinema, along with with the standard NA one. What's hilarious is that a film with no violence but boobies are rated 13+ (side boob or bum is usually G), but movies with alot of swearing are rated 18+. I've seen the backs of DVDs that have two completely contradictory rating on the back. So I tend to laugh.



Me, personally? I care less about the boobs, but would like things to be a little more 'adult' (what I mean is, erotic) and a LOT less awkward.



I'm good with fade to black, and I was fond of the ME1 scenes. But I'm tiered of the half assed stuff. I don't want pre pubescent dry humping with undies on. Either show me the money, or do some run romantic cut scene and then leave the rest to the imagination.



But seriously, as a former art student who's been staring at nude models since the age of 14, I really don't get the aversion. I can't help but think it's the remements of an old school "Our children are playing this!" mentality that will eventually die out. And can someone please explain to me why Brood Mother nipples are fine? Topless wood spirits and Desire deamons? And my Warden is stuck with stiff white undies? Lame.

[SteveGarbage]

If full frontal nudity in your video game is the most important thing going on in your life right now, well... I don't know if I need say more.

Some video game boobs are not worth the trouble with the games rating association and having to deal with the negative press that it could generate. The number of people gained by virtual nudity is small (and if they're playing only for that reason, well, again...). The number of people it could potentially keep from playing the game is greater.

Not worth it. Someone will mod it then you can nude away.

[Marionetten]

sw33t nothings wrote...

And can someone please explain to me why Brood Mother nipples are fine? Topless wood spirits and Desire deamons? And my Warden is stuck with stiff white undies? Lame.

Because nudity isn't fine unless it's twisted to the point of it barely being recognizable. In a way, it reminds of the old violence debate. It's perfectly fine to chop aliens up but anything reassembling a human is a no-no.

We're moving forward but it's going slow. I'd like to see BioWare help out progress here.

Modifié par Marionetten, 20 août 2010 - 08:32 .

[hexaligned]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I'd be fine if it was like Mass Effect's scenes. The entire media controversy was started because no-one even saw the goddamned scene and started making **** up. Even JACK GODDAMN THOMPSON said it was overblown!

ME1's scene didn't even register on my radar as comment worthy when I played the game.   Regardless, I don't think there are too many rational people in the world who take anything Faux News broadcasts seriously, or at least I hope not.

Modifié par relhart, 20 août 2010 - 08:34 .

[Angel of Nessus]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

nhsk wrote...

Why do we care? It's animated pixels, and if the story goes along with what we see it doesn't really matter.

We care because it harms the authenticity and believability of the setting. Something which is rather important for an RPG.

But the believability of the setting is also questioned when you can have sex with people because you saved their cat and that there's naked people everywhere.

You'd be surprised at how often that happens in real life.
Or is it just me?