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[Chuvvy]

I'm not looking for a sex sim least you assume I am. I just want video games to be respected. Everyone assumes they're for kids. Right, an M rated game (IE 17+) is for six year olds. I can go to a PG - 13 movie and see REAL breast, but a video game rated M shows ANIMATED side boob, everyone flips their ****. That's the definition of a double standard. More and more games are putting in nudity, admittedly it's mainly Rockstar doing it but still. RDR had full frontal nudity, GTA TLaD had a guy walking around with his **** out for an entire cutscene. Mafia II has collectible and viewable playboy magazines. I assume with in the next five to ten years video games will be respected enough to do what an R rated movie could do. What, 35, 40 years ago? We've seen this before, it happened with comic books, it happened with rock and roll. Something new comes out and the older generation doesn't understand and tries to "save" the younger generation from their own naivety.

[Marionetten]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Odd. I would have described the way it was handled in the Witcher as adolescent.

As opposed to dryhumping party members for achievements such as Easy Lover?

The Witcher was intentionally humorous about Geralt's many exploits. Disapproving granny and all. Dragon Age: Origins was unintentionally humorous and at times downright disturbing. Therein lies the difference.

Modifié par Marionetten, 20 août 2010 - 08:36 .

[DaringMoosejaw]

relhart wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I'd be fine if it was like Mass Effect's scenes. The entire media controversy was started because no-one even saw the goddamned scene and started making **** up. Even JACK GODDAMN THOMPSON said it was overblown!

ME1's scene didn't even register on my radar as comment worthy when I played the game.   Regardless, I don't think there are too many rational people in the world who take anything Faux News broadcasts seriously, or at least I hope not.

It was actually started by some blogger desperate for traffic who started calling the thing a 'sex simulator' when they never even touched or reviewed the scene, just heard it from somebody.

You'd be wise not to take much of ANY corporate-owned news broadcasts seriously if you like to strive to be rational. In the end, all they care about are entertaining their viewers and serving their own ends.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 20 août 2010 - 08:37 .

[tmp7704]

Marionetten wrote...

It's a shot of her buttocks. There's a similar shot featuring an elf, too. Take that as you will. Clearly you are convinced that The Witcher 2 won't have full frontal nudity despite The Witcher having it.

I'm simply saying they haven't shown anything approaching it which makes statements it will have such feature wishful thinking at the moment rather than established fact. And that makes a poor base to start thread "Witcher 2 will have nudity, can't BioWare do the same?"

And no, it means that ESRB has matured. May I point to The Lost and Damned and its M rating?

What about it? I can only find a mention there's "controversy" surrounding it because it featured an instance of "full male frontal nudity" which was justfied as something put for "comedic effect and a clearly not sexual or pornographic situation".

[Zhijn]

Did you know less blood in movies and games can sometime equal a higher rating because it tend to look more real?. I wonder if thats why BW goes with the massive amount of blood in the DA universe.

Something to think about i gues.

It is kinda weird you can go watch a movie and see nudity in all its glory with your favorite actors going at it like rabbits, but attempt it in a video game and some mom's head explode (usually mothers of the USA, no offense).

Either way i think it'll take another decade or two befor video games can go side by side with movie nudity.

being a dane with our casual approach for entertainment nudity.

[Nerevar-as]

relhart wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I'd be fine if it was like Mass Effect's scenes. The entire media controversy was started because no-one even saw the goddamned scene and started making **** up. Even JACK GODDAMN THOMPSON said it was overblown!

ME1's scene didn't even register on my radar as comment worthy when I played the game.   Regardless, I don't think there are too many rational people in the world who take anything Faux News broadcasts seriously, or at least I hope not.

Considering ME2 and DA:O, sadly one of those few is high in EA or BW.

[Fraevar]

Marionetten wrote...

I'm not sure we can blame restrictions and media when CD Projekt ( a far smaller developer ) is doing it.

Self-censorship is a horrible thing. I wish BioWare and EA could move past it.

CD Projekt's primary user base is in Europe, though. I'd rather avoid bland generalizations if I can but even so, the nudity isn't such a big deal over here, as long as it's contextual and tasteful as opposed to pornographic. The fact that the European PEGI rating system for games does have an 18+ rating and that stores carry those on equal terms as the lesser ratings also helps.

Furthermore, since TW2 is a PC exclusive, that takes Microsoft and Sony out of the equation - both companies that will not allow NC-17 games on their consoles.

Ideally the PC build of DA2 would thus be the "Director's Cut" because of this, but I don't think EA and BioWare are brave enough to go down that route.

Two things would need to happen first - the ESRB system would need revision so that the divide was at age 18, where gamers become "legal" to buy their own stuff, and Gamestop and other chains would need to be convinced to re-tool their policy to judge each game based on its own merits, rather than just a blanket ban...I wish all you US gamers the best in your efforts towards making these things happen (hey, optimist!) :happy:

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 20 août 2010 - 08:46 .

[Marionetten]

tmp7704 wrote...

I'm simply saying they haven't shown anything approaching it which makes statements it will have such feature wishful thinking at the moment rather than established fact. And that makes a poor base to start thread "Witcher 2 will have nudity, can't BioWare do the same?"

They have discussed full frontal nudity.

You just decided to interpret it in your own manner.

tmp7704 wrote...

What about it? I can only find a mention there's "controversy" surrounding it because it featured an instance of "full male frontal nudity" which was justfied as something put for "comedic effect and a clearly not sexual or pornographic situation".

It's full frontal nudity and the ESRB deemed it okay. A few years ago it wouldn't have passed, comedic or not. The ESRB is maturing. That is the whole point.

Modifié par Marionetten, 20 août 2010 - 08:43 .

[sw33t nothings]

Marionetten wrote...

sw33t nothings wrote...

And can someone please explain to me why Brood Mother nipples are fine? Topless wood spirits and Desire deamons? And my Warden is stuck with stiff white undies? Lame.

Because nudity isn't fine unless it's twisted to the point of it barely being recognizable. In a way, it reminds of the old violence debate. It's perfectly fine to chop aliens up but anything reassembling a human is a no-no.

We're moving forward but it's going slow. I'd like to see BioWare help out progress here.

Yes, I remember now! People used to loop hole the violence blood ratings by changing the colour of it.  I still find it rather ridiculous, but that's how it is. 

[Kalfear]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

I'm not sure we can blame restrictions and media when CD Projekt ( a far smaller developer ) is doing it.

Self-censorship is a horrible thing. I wish BioWare and EA could move past it.

CD Projekt's primary user base is in Europe, though. I'd rather avoid bland generalizations if I can but even so, the nudity isn't such a big deal over here, as long as it's contextual and tasteful as opposed to pornographic. The fact that the European PEGI rating system for games does have an 18+ rating and that stores carry those on equal terms as the lesser ratings also helps.

Furthermore, since TW2 is a PC exclusive, that takes Microsoft and Sony out of the equation - both companies that will not allow NC-17 games on their consoles.

Ideally the PC build of DA2 would thus be the "Director's Cut" because of this, but I don't think EA and BioWare are brave enough to go down that route.

Actually 360 and PS3 versions have been announced and verified, just they coming out after the PC version!

This has been announced at every game convention this year so far!

[chessplayer209]

i agree, they need way more nudity and sex in video games.

[Marionetten]

Kalfear wrote...

Actually 360 and PS3 versions have been announced and verified, just they coming out after the PC version!

There's no concrete information on the console versions except that they will come after the PC version.

So, they will be ports with zero impact on the PC version. Dragon Age 2 is being developed as a multiplatform project.

I'd say his point remains valid. Well, except for the fact that God of War 3 had way more nudity than Dragon Age: Origins did. So, I'm not sure we can blame consoles for this.

Modifié par Marionetten, 20 août 2010 - 08:49 .

[Fraevar]

Kalfear wrote...

Actually 360 and PS3 versions have been announced and verified, just they coming out after the PC version!

This has been announced at every game convention this year so far!

No, I'm aware of that. But work isn't even starting on those until they ship the PC version so any talk of possible censored material is a bit premature, wouldn't you agree? I personally think that they will be forced to censor the game because of the corporate policies of Gamestop, Microsoft and Sony, but that's just me.

Marionetten wrote...

I'd
say his point remains valid. Well, except for the fact that God of War 3
had way more nudity than Dragon Age: Origins did. So, I'm not sure we
can blame consoles for this.

How so? Are those sex scenes, as in the act of intercourse or is it merely creative camera angles on naked flesh? And I'm honestly not trying to "blame consoles" here, I'm just repeating what I've learned about the platform holders' policies.

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 20 août 2010 - 08:51 .

[tmp7704]

Marionetten wrote...

They have discussed full frontal nudity.

You just decided to interpret it in your own manner.

Yes, and you did the same. Granted, you believe my interpretation is "clearly wrong" but since this is just that, personal belief much like our individual interpretations, it really doesn't clarify things one way or the other.

[Marionetten]

tmp7704 wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

They have discussed full frontal nudity.

You just decided to interpret it in your own manner.

Yes, and you did the same. Granted, you believe my interpretation is "clearly wrong" but since this is just that, personal belief much like our individual interpretations, it really doesn't clarify things one way or the other.

No, it's just clearly wrong.

Frankly, I think we're gonna make it this time. We haven't put more or less nudity and violence into The Witcher 2. It's just I think things have changed slightly. From what I recall around 2007 not too many games showed nipples for example. Now it's so common that I just think the mindset has shifted and since we've stayed the same - it might work this time around. By the way - we have redesigned the visual aspect of sex in the game. You won't have "collectible" cards this time - we've presented things with cinematics, and additionally we bound all threads with the storyline.

Modifié par Marionetten, 20 août 2010 - 08:52 .

[Archereon]

Stop whinning everyone. Asking for full frontal gives me the impression that you are either sexually deprived losers, or teenage boys.

[Indoctrination]

It's not unnecessary. No one cares what they do in the Witcher because it's a PC game and Atari doesn't have to answer to Microsoft and Sony for the game's content. Electronic Arts and BioWare are not so fortunate. If they dont meet the content standards of Microsoft Gaming Studios and Sony Computer Entertainment America, then the game can't be released for the Xbox 360 and PS3 which is where most of the profits are.

Also, I'm willing to trust my gut and guess that PR guys at EA do not want to have to explain why nudity is okay to some moron at Fox News which is what would happen if they tried full frontal nudity. None of us needs nudity in these games. You're on the Internet, guys. There's plenty of sites out there featuring men and women of "questionable integrity" that you can use to relieve the stress this issue is causing some of you.

(BTW the Witcher is coming to 360 and PS3 too, and there definitely will not be full frontal nudity in those versions.)

Modifié par Indoctrination, 20 août 2010 - 08:59 .

[Marionetten]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

How so? Are those sex scenes, as in the act of intercourse or is it merely creative camera angles on naked flesh? And I'm honestly not trying to "blame consoles" here, I'm just repeating what I've learned about the platform holders' policies.

There's a mini game in which you have sex with one of the Goddesses while two of her minions caress each other. The game doesn't show any genitalia but it's overly generous with the other stuff.

Modifié par Marionetten, 20 août 2010 - 08:59 .

[Archereon]

slimgrin wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Stop whinning everyone. Asking for full frontal gives me the impression that you are either sexually deprived losers, or teenage boys.

You're due back in the chapel. 

Funny.  Note that the reason I'm saying this is that many of the people here have outright said "I want ******/bewbies."  Excuse me if I find the wording less that reassuring.

[Iokastos]

Archereon wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Stop whinning everyone. Asking for full frontal gives me the impression that you are either sexually deprived losers, or teenage boys.

You're due back in the chapel. 

Funny.  Note that the reason I'm saying this is that many of the people here have outright said "I want ******/bewbies."  Excuse me if I find the wording less that reassuring.

read the whole thread.
You give me the impression of a puritan bigot

[Arrtis]

The fight to take control over another person's life is never over.

If I am a sexually deprived loser is that any reason to make it sound like I do not matter?

TO make it sound like you must be an adult that is thriving to have a valid opinion?

[Marionetten]

Archereon wrote...

Funny.  Note that the reason I'm saying this is that many of the people here have outright said "I want ******/bewbies."  Excuse me if I find the wording less that reassuring.

If we wanted ****** and bewbies I assure you that we could aquire it just as easily as you.

I certainly wouldn't be on a forum whining about censorship if that's all I wanted.

Modifié par Marionetten, 20 août 2010 - 09:10 .

[Archereon]

It's either fade to black or nudity otherwise it looks stupid. I'd prefer fade to black.
OP is right tho, isn't DA2 an M rated game? BW stop being bigots. Apparently seeing mauled bodies, rivers of blood,decapitations is ok but a pair of ****** isn't. lol wtf?

To above poster "Read the whole thread."

Here's one of several examples of this.


While its a valid enough point in terms of the "mauled bodies" (which dragon age doesn't actually have in high detail), that last part makes him sound rather immature.