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[ninja0809]

So i just decided to finish my 7th playthrough without saving the mages. In doing so i had to choose between lady isolde and connor. I have never done this before and i gotta say this is the hardest choice i had to make in DAO.

Im just wondering, from a realistic stand point: Consider yourself as Arl Eamon, a ruler who loves his wife and son very much, would you be more heartbroken if your wife died instead of your son, or the other way around???

I figured that, if your wife lives and son dies, you can always have another child. Plus your son is going to be sent away to the Circle anyways.....


anyways, what are your point of view? Put yourself in the shoes of a loving husband and a loving father, which ending would you prefer if sacrafice is absolutely necessary......

[CalJones]

I always let Isolde die, if it comes to it. My reasoning is that Isolde's secrecy is the reason the whole mess started. Had she come clean about Connor's magical abilities then Jowan wouldn't have been needed and the boy wouldn't have become an abomination who slaughtered half of Redcliffe with an army of undead. She offers her life and I see it as a way for her to atone.

Killing Connor is pretty heartbreaking. I did it once, just to see, and it's a really horrible scene.

[Mr. Sprinkles101]

When the parents child dies, the parents are never the same. That's what I can tell you

[Kelleth]

I had a few of these... I decided I wanted to get the "Completionist" achievement yesterday, so I had to choose Loghain, and I really wanted a chat option that said "I'm sorry Alister, but I really want to get this achievement!" Sadly, it was not there =P

Another was in the Alienage when that child said "My mother never came back from Highever" and I just went "... Ohh damn..."

And of course when you pick Alister and Anora to marry and he wants to break up with you, I was not pleased... In the least.

[Super ._. Shepard]

i did not like arl eamons wife she is annoying

[Eudaemonium]

I'd have to say that killing Isolde is the "better" of the two options, particularly considering Connor is really quite blameless in the situation. That said, I *prefer* killing Connor because I think the scenes have a much more emotional impact on the player and I think it offers the "best" (as in most emotive, if also most tragic) conclusion to the Redcliffe chapter. Its more tragic if you say you won't kill him after defeating him, but to say more would spoil it.

L.T Church wrote...

I had a few of these... I decided I wanted to get the "Completionist" achievement yesterday, so I had to choose Loghain, and I really wanted a chat option that said "I'm sorry Alister, but I really want to get this achievement!" Sadly, it was not there =P
Another was in the Alienage when that child said "My mother never came back from Highever" and I just went "... Ohh damn..."
And of course when you pick Alister and Anora to marry and he wants to break up with you, I was not pleased... In the least.

He tries to break up with you if you make him King regardless of whether he's marrying Anora (unless you choose the option to marry him as a FHN). Of course you can persuade him out of it, provided you 'hardened' him. On my latest playthrough, my PC was so bitter over him dumping her she fed him to the Archdemon. She regretted it, of course.

[Persephone]

I dunno. There was no decision that even came close to the urgency of a certain decision on Virmire in ME1. Maybe picking between Harrowmont and Bhelen.

[CalJones]

The Virmire choice is awful. ME1 has several tough decisions (something ME2 lacked, IMHO - there were a few but nothing of that magnitude) and the only decision that comes close in DA:O is the Alistair/Loghain one. That said, I love Loghain with a passion so much as I like Alistair and cringe when he brings up the old "I thought we were friends", he doesn't get his way.

DA:O has a lot of sunshine and bunnies third options such as using the mages to help Connor, or persuading Zathrian to break the werewolf curse. If it was an either/or situation, it'd be more powerful.

DA:A is a bit better with its Vigil/Amaranthine choice and kill/spare the Architect choice. Both of those are much tougher choices. I'm hoping DA2 has more in this vein.

[Eudaemonium]

I agree with CalJones and Persephone on this one: Virmire really was a killer. I felt ME2 had a bit too many 'sunshine and bunny' optiosn if you were high-enough on the Para/gade scale (like the post-loyalty bustups). On my latest DAO runs I've been deliberating shying away from the sunshine and bunny options in general. I mean, to be honest, leaving an abomination to run wild on an already damaged Redcliffe while you run off to the Tower is not terribly sensible, despite the fact that nothing happens if you do =P.

In another ME2 aside, I liked how the game handled timing with regards to the outcome of teh crew re: the last mission, to not spoil anything.

[CalJones]

There is that. I managed to keep everyone alive on my first run and just repeated the formula for subsequent playthroughs. For me, the toughest decision in ME2 was actually on Zaeed's loyalty mission. Really, it should be a no brainer - putting the lives of the lives of the oil refinary workers above Zaeed's need for vengeance, and yet I find it 100 times harder to say not to Zaeed than I do to Alistair. I wonder why that is?

[Eudaemonium]

I actually sided with Zaeed there, hehe. I onyl played ME2 once, I really didn't enjoy it that much. Though this is largely due to teh fact I could barely run it and so even Casual was hard as heck because I couldn't aim properly. I also hated the final boss.

[CalJones]

That's a shame - it's actually good fun if you have the computer to do it justice. Mine's only a dual core but it runs every game I need it to (well, provided that game runs on XP. I've seen a few on Vista/7 only, unfortunately. No Civ V for me). I usually let Zaeed have his way too. Hate hearing the workers scream as they burn to death, though...

[MKDAWUSS]

I generally go for the kill Isolde option, basically because the First Enchanter option sounds a bit like a cop-out IMO.

Hearing post-abomination Connor talk about his mother always hits home for me, no matter how many times I go through that scene...


As for the toughest choice, well right now I'm thinking about how I want to play out the whole monarch of Ferelden story. Normally I have Alistair executed, but now thinking about trying another outcome, primarily because I started thinking about it more in another IC perspective, primarily that of the HN Origin. Still haven't settled on what I want, though.

Modifié par MKDAWUSS, 21 août 2010 - 01:36 .

[Rvlion]

On all but one of my playthroughs I went to collect the mages to save the whole family, but in that one playthrough I made the choice of killing Isolde.

My reasoning was that if Isolde had sent Conner to the circle instead of hiding his gift: There would have been:

1. No demon annoyance.

2. No Jowan around to poison Arl Eamon.

3. Not a soul would have died at the hands of those undead.

4. None of the knights would have been away from the castle to search for the Urn of Sacred Ashes (and getting themselves killed either in Haven or on the road near Lothering).

5. No reason for me to search for the Urn.



5 perfectly good reasons to kill Isolde.



To be perfectly honest... None of the choices I had to make in both Origins or Awakening were difficult.



Harrowmont or Bhelen depends on starting Origins:

1. Dwarf Noble - Harrowmont (Bhelen had you exiled!!)

2. Dwarf Commonor - Bhelen (Bhelen took your sister as concubine)

3. All Others - Harrowmont (Bhelen's helper forged documents in order to gain victory and I personally don't like being cheated!)



Dalish or Werewolves:

Why kill the dalish if you can free the werewolves from their curse???



Mages or Templars:

Not sure what in the end battle the difference is between templars or Arl Eamons soldiers, but why have 2 types of human soldiers while mages are fun at long range assaults.



As for the choice between Loghain or Alistair.

Only chose Loghain once for achievement... He remains a traitor to the all people in Ferelden no matter the reason he might have thought he had.



The only real interesting decission I so far had to make was saving Vigil's Keep or Amaranthine in which I find it strange we do not have an option to do both.

[Monica21]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

I generally go for the kill Isolde option, basically because the First Enchanter option sounds a bit like a cop-out IMO.

It is a cop out, if only because you have no idea what Connor will do while you're gone and you could return to find Redcliffe a smoking ruin. This is a kid who (granted, was possessed) summoned extremely powerful forces and terrorized a town for days. You don't know where he is or what he's up to when you leave. It's the "good" option, but only from a metagaming perspective.

That said, I can never bring myself to kill either one, but I still hesitate when the option is offered.

[Tindl]

Rvlion wrote...

4. None of the knights would have been away from the castle to search for the Urn of Sacred Ashes (and getting themselves killed either in Haven or on the road near Lothering).
5. No reason for me to search for the Urn.

From what I recall, the Arl was ill before the Demon took possession of Connor. The Demon was actually keeping the Arl alive.

Modifié par Tindl, 21 août 2010 - 02:55 .

[ken casteel]

Rvlion wrote...



The only real interesting decission I so far had to make was saving Vigil's Keep or Amaranthine in which I find it strange we do not have an option to do both.

ya, that is strange, considering that if you went through the trouble of beef’in up your defenses and solders they should have been able to hold out long enough for you to get back.

[Addai]

I had the same on my last game and ended up killing Connor, mainly because my Dalish mage PC would not trust Jowan to do the ritual. It is terrible either way, but I agree with others that leaving the demon to run rampant in Redcliffe even another night is no easy solution, either. Or it shouldn't be. If you need to feel better about what you did, take a look at the child corpse in the village funeral scene.

[Eudaemonium]

Alistair will shout at you either way though. If you kill Connor he tells you you should've used the blood magic ritual. If you do he accuses you of using blood magic and hwo abhorrent it is. =P



From an RP perspective, I think how many people die when you defend Redcliffe tends to have an effect on my characters. I think it gives the situation more urgency than if you manage to save everyone.

[errant_knight]

At Redcliffe, I went to the tower the first time, and everytime thereafter. My PC wouldn't consider using blood magic under any circumstances (well, except the dark ritual, but that was a REALLY hard choice), and wouldn't consider killing a child without trying to get the help of the mages first. She just saw her nephew killed, and isn't going to do the same thing to another child without trying everything possible. For her, going to the tower was the only choice. I imagine Eamon would feel much the same. More, because it's his family.

Modifié par errant_knight, 21 août 2010 - 05:01 .

[Zjarcal]

Eudaemonium wrote...

Alistair will shout at you either way though. If you kill Connor he tells you you should've used the blood magic ritual. If you do he accuses you of using blood magic and hwo abhorrent it is. =P

And this is what annoys me like nothing else about Alistair. He suggests killing Connor at the castle (a bit reluctantly, but he still does it) and then he goes mental on you at the camp? This was the point where my current PC told Alistair to sod off and pretty much ignored him for the rest of the game.

I can understand his reaction when you do the blood ritual because he clearly states that he's against it, but why suggest something first and then when the PC follows suit lay all the blame on them? He says "I just don't know how you could make that decision", oh, I don't know, I followed the advice from a former Templar in training, someone who should know a thing or two about abominations?

I know there's a persuade as well as a cunning line at the end of that dialogue that can mitigate his anger but I didn't feel like choosing them. My PC was just sick of his complaining at that point.

Back on topic, the mages option is a huge cop out because nothing happens while you're gone. If Bann Teagan had died at the hands of the Demon (or became possessed again) or another wave of corpses had been unleashed then it would've felt better. As it is, it's too easy to get a happy ending with that option. I only use it with my mage who lets Jowan free. It makes sense in her case because she knows the Circle should be able to help in this case (as opposed to other characters who may be ignorant on this) and she feels she needs to make up for letting Jowan go. With anyone else it's either Connor or Isolde.

As for what would Eamon do, no doubt he would call for the Circle if the option was presented. He may do so reluctantly, knowing that the risk the Demon presents, but I'm sure if an option was presented where both his wife and son could live, he'd take it no matter what.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 21 août 2010 - 06:55 .

[CalJones]

I hate that about Alistair too. There's an oversight in that if you choose the "I think it turned out pretty well" line, he agrees and gives you +7 approval, but I'm pretty sure that's a mistake. If you take the "you were there" line he chews you out, in spite of suggesting you kill Connor.

[errant_knight]

Zjarcal wrote...

Eudaemonium wrote...

Alistair will shout at you either way though. If you kill Connor he tells you you should've used the blood magic ritual. If you do he accuses you of using blood magic and hwo abhorrent it is. =P

And this is what annoys me like nothing else about Alistair. He suggests killing Connor at the castle (a bit reluctantly, but he still does it) and then he goes mental on you at the camp? This was the point where my current PC told Alistair to sod off and pretty much ignored him for the rest of the game.

I can understand his reaction when you do the blood ritual because he clearly states that he's against it, but why suggest something first and then when the PC follows suit lay all the blame on them? He says "I just don't know how you could make that decision", oh, I don't know, I followed the advice from a former Templar in training, someone who should know a thing or two about abominations?

I know there's a persuade as well as a cunning line at the end of that dialogue that can mitigate his anger but I didn't feel like choosing them. My PC was just sick of his complaining at that point.

Back on topic, the mages option is a huge cop out because nothing happens while you're gone. If Bann Teagan had died at the hands of the Demon (or became possessed again) or another wave of corpses had been unleashed then it would've felt better. As it is, it's too easy to get a happy ending with that option. I only use it with my mage who lets Jowan free. It makes sense in her case because she knows the Circle should be able to help in this case (as opposed to other characters who may be ignorant on this) and she feels she needs to make up for letting Jowan go. With anyone else it's either Connor or Isolde.

As for what would Eamon do, no doubt he would call for the Circle if the option was presented. He may do so reluctantly, knowing that the risk the Demon presents, but I'm sure if an option was presented where both his wife and son could live, he'd take it no matter what.

That's before he knows there's another option. Once you do, he finds it abhorrent that you wouldn't use it. Nothing odd about that.

[Sarah1281]

Is the other option the blood magic ritual he freaks out about as well or the Tower? If you've already done the Tower and the Circle has been annulled then it IS odd that he seems to expect you to take that route.