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[Zjarcal]

errant_knight wrote...

That's before he knows there's another option. Once you do, he finds it abhorrent that you wouldn't use it. Nothing odd about that.

What other option? The blood ritual? The tower is only an option if you sided with the mages or you haven't completed that quest yet. If the circle was annuled there's no such option. And no one mentions the tower as an option until you ask if there's another way to enter the Fade. It is until you ask, that Alistair will say that you could go to the Circle. Why didn't he mention it in the first place or right after Jowan suggested the blood ritual? Come to think about it, he knew about the Circle option even as he was suggesting that we should kill Connor. Considering that, I do find his behavior very odd.

Sorry, but Alistair really comes off terrible in that situation. If he had freaked out about killing Connor while it was being suggested then it would've been different.

@CalJones: Yeah, that dialogue is very buggy. I think I once chose that line without knowing and was surprised when he said that he wanted to thank me. I was expecting that he would freak out even more thinking I was being sarcastic or something.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 22 août 2010 - 05:33 .

[Eudaemonium]

Like others have mentioned, you don't necessarily even hear about the Circle Tower unless you pick specific dialogue options. Plus, unless you know through meta-gaming that Connor isn't going to slaughter the whole village while you're gone, its a pretty unrealistic option. Its a gamble certain characters might not be willing to take.

I'm also pretty sure, not certain tho, that Alistair tells you you should ahve gone to the circle even after you annulled it, but I might be wrong there.

[Zjarcal]

Eudaemonium wrote...

I'm also pretty sure, not certain tho, that Alistair tells you you should ahve gone to the circle even after you annulled it, but I might be wrong there.

During his rant at camp? It may very well be the case. That conversation is kind of buggy. For instance if you killed Isolde, at some point he should say "this is the arl's wife we're talking about here", but depending on the dialogue choice you make he may still say "this is the arl's son we're talking about here".

EDIT: The worse part about the whole situation is that my character didn't even "choose" to kill Connor. She said she needed more time to think when Bann Teagan asked for a decision, went upstairs and got too close to the arl's room, which of course causes the demon to take over Connor once again. At that point it's not about whether we choose to kill him or not, it's kill him or die.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 21 août 2010 - 09:13 .

[Addai]

Eudaemonium wrote...
I'm also pretty sure, not certain tho, that Alistair tells you you should ahve gone to the circle even after you annulled it, but I might be wrong there.

He didn't for my PC... video here.  Eurk, the voice acting is soooo good on this scene, I get a pit in my stomach listening to it.  Then again, SV has that effect on me.

Modifié par Addai67, 22 août 2010 - 12:03 .

[Avilia]

Eudaemonium wrote...
I'm also pretty sure, not certain tho, that Alistair tells you you should ahve gone to the circle even after you annulled it, but I might be wrong there.

He does for me too.  I'll have to double check this play through, I recall clearly that I always go 'yeah but they're gone' to myself when he says it.

It is a very buggy conversation though and his opinons jump around a bit iirc.

Modifié par Avilia, 22 août 2010 - 12:08 .

[Zjarcal]

Addai67 wrote...

Eudaemonium wrote...
I'm also pretty sure, not certain tho, that Alistair tells you you should ahve gone to the circle even after you annulled it, but I might be wrong there.

He didn't for my PC... video here.  Eurk, the voice acting is soooo good on this scene, I get a pit in my stomach listening to it.  Then again, SV has that effect on me.

I think it would only apply if you do the blood ritual, not if you kill Connor.

[KnightofPhoenix]

This is obviously a very hard decision. If I was in Eamon's shoes, I would probably think that Isolde's death would be *less* horrible than Connor's. At least it was her choice. Connor on the otherhand is a kid who didn't know what he got himself into.

And, and I know this might freak a few out, as an Arl I would feel hardpressed to secure an heir. So in that sense, Connor surviving would be more important to me.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 août 2010 - 01:39 .

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

This is obviously a very hard decision. If I was in Eamon's shoes, I would probably think that Isolde's death would be *less* horrible than Connor's. At least it was her choice. Connor on the otherhand is a kid who didn't know what he got himself into.

And, and I know this might freak a few out, as an Arl I would feel hardpressed to secure an heir. So in that sense, Connor surviving would be more important to me.

Connor couldn't be an heir, though. The secret about his magic is out and mages can't inherit. If Isolde survived for that reason then there's no guarentee that there wouldn't be another mage child. In fact, in the 'sacrifice Connor' endings, Isolde dies in childbirth of their second child who also turns out to be a mage (I think her name is Rowan).

[KnightofPhoenix]

Oh yea right (can't believe I forgot that. How did my interest wane so?!). Hmmm, Eamon's in deep ****. I would still prefer Isolde dying for the first reason listed.

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Oh yea right (can't believe I forgot that. How did my interest wane so?!). Hmmm, Eamon's in deep ****. I would still prefer Isolde dying for the first reason listed.

Isolde dying is probably better for the second reason as well as he can try to find someone else to marry without mages in her family.

[KnightofPhoenix]

As always Sarah, I like the way you think

[MKDAWUSS]

Sarah1281 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Oh yea right (can't believe I forgot that. How did my interest wane so?!). Hmmm, Eamon's in deep ****. I would still prefer Isolde dying for the first reason listed.

Isolde dying is probably better for the second reason as well as he can try to find someone else to marry without mages in her family.

If he becomes Chancellor, I don't think producing an heir is much of an issue for him anymore.

[KnightofPhoenix]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Oh yea right (can't believe I forgot that. How did my interest wane so?!). Hmmm, Eamon's in deep ****. I would still prefer Isolde dying for the first reason listed.

Isolde dying is probably better for the second reason as well as he can try to find someone else to marry without mages in her family.

If he becomes Chancellor, I don't think producing an heir is much of an issue for him anymore.

Actually, I think it would be much more important. He could very well make the chancellorship heridetary, securing his family as one of  the most powerful in the land.

[Sarah1281]

jln.francisco wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Oh yea right (can't believe I forgot that. How did my interest wane so?!). Hmmm, Eamon's in deep ****. I would still prefer Isolde dying for the first reason listed.

Isolde dying is probably better for the second reason as well as he can try to find someone else to marry without mages in her family.

And suddenly I am reminded of the story of Job. 

I must confess, I really don't see the comparison.

[Monica21]

Sarah1281 wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Oh yea right (can't believe I forgot that. How did my interest wane so?!). Hmmm, Eamon's in deep ****. I would still prefer Isolde dying for the first reason listed.

Isolde dying is probably better for the second reason as well as he can try to find someone else to marry without mages in her family.

And suddenly I am reminded of the story of Job. 

I must confess, I really don't see the comparison.

I'm guessing it's being punished by his wife dying and having his son taken away, but then getting repaid tenfold with more (non-magical) children and hopefully a less annoying wife. Of course, you have to assume that Isolde's death would be a punishment for Eamon.

[Celuwen]

Harrowmont or Bhelen depends on starting Origins:
1. Dwarf Noble - Harrowmont (Bhelen had you exiled!!)
2. Dwarf Commonor - Bhelen (Bhelen took your sister as concubine)
3. All Others - Harrowmont (Bhelen's helper forged documents in order to gain victory and I personally don't like being cheated!)
.

I don't think that's always the case. Had you never been to Orzammar and had to chose a new King, then the difference between the two Dwarfs is very, very close. Harrowmont seems less sure of everything than Bhelen. Sure Bhelen has forged documents, and seems about as trustworthy as a snake, but he is the stronger of the two, and as a Grey Warden, that is more important. 

[Sarah1281]

Celuwen wrote...

Harrowmont or Bhelen depends on starting Origins:
1. Dwarf Noble - Harrowmont (Bhelen had you exiled!!)
2. Dwarf Commonor - Bhelen (Bhelen took your sister as concubine)
3. All Others - Harrowmont (Bhelen's helper forged documents in order to gain victory and I personally don't like being cheated!)
.

I don't think that's always the case. Had you never been to Orzammar and had to chose a new King, then the difference between the two Dwarfs is very, very close. Harrowmont seems less sure of everything than Bhelen. Sure Bhelen has forged documents, and seems about as trustworthy as a snake, but he is the stronger of the two, and as a Grey Warden, that is more important. 

You don't even have to realize that the documents are forged if it doesn't occur to you that you can get them authenticated.

[ninja0809]

ok so i just finished that playthrough and in the end Isolde died giving birth to Eamon's Daughter. I was like WTF, i just saved your ass and you died anyway. LAME!

[Sarah1281]

ninja0809 wrote...

ok so i just finished that playthrough and in the end Isolde died giving birth to Eamon's Daughter. I was like WTF, i just saved your ass and you died anyway. LAME!

She died giving birth to Eamon's mage daughter. I wonder if she dies in childbirth if Connor lives...

[Giggles_Manically]

Sarah1281 wrote...

ninja0809 wrote...

ok so i just finished that playthrough and in the end Isolde died giving birth to Eamon's Daughter. I was like WTF, i just saved your ass and you died anyway. LAME!

She died giving birth to Eamon's mage daughter. I wonder if she dies in childbirth if Connor lives...

....
How do you get this slide?

[ninja0809]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

ninja0809 wrote...

ok so i just finished that playthrough and in the end Isolde died giving birth to Eamon's Daughter. I was like WTF, i just saved your ass and you died anyway. LAME!

She died giving birth to Eamon's mage daughter. I wonder if she dies in childbirth if Connor lives...

....
How do you get this slide?

i let Isolde kill conor herself....so she lives.

[CalJones]

Yup, so you see, saving the boy is the better option.