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tez19 wrote...
you say you have statistics and then link me to wiki?
please...
Saibh wrote...
krimesh wrote...
What I meant was that Shepard is the classical hero-character, leader, soldier, mankind's only hope, that stuff. And that was a virtually purely male role for a very long time. So if you want to communicate femShep to a wide audience you can't build on all that culture; there is no template for her in peoples heads yet. Thats hard to do. I can't tell if that trailer does that... I already have a very strong idea of who Shepard is, independent of gender.
Er...I'm trying to read that without being offended. You're saying "women aren't leaders/only hopes/soldiers/heroes, and people will refuse to see her as such"? I mean...it's not very common, but I don't think it's a matter of needing a template. I've never met a person who had a hard time accepting that FemShep could exist, before or after they played the game.
I mean, I'm sure there are some, but I've just never encountered anyone.
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So what I am saying is that making an equally good FemShep trailer would be harder; she simply would need more of an introduction.
krimesh wrote...
Saibh wrote...
krimesh wrote...
What I meant was that Shepard is the classical hero-character, leader, soldier, mankind's only hope, that stuff. And that was a virtually purely male role for a very long time. So if you want to communicate femShep to a wide audience you can't build on all that culture; there is no template for her in peoples heads yet. Thats hard to do. I can't tell if that trailer does that... I already have a very strong idea of who Shepard is, independent of gender.
Er...I'm trying to read that without being offended. You're saying "women aren't leaders/only hopes/soldiers/heroes, and people will refuse to see her as such"? I mean...it's not very common, but I don't think it's a matter of needing a template. I've never met a person who had a hard time accepting that FemShep could exist, before or after they played the game.
I mean, I'm sure there are some, but I've just never encountered anyone.
Okay, first of all I wouldn't be offended if I were a women, so maybe no one else should be either. I am NOT saying women couldn't be all those things. Neither did I have any trouble seeing Shepard as a female. But when a book, a trailer, or a movie, or whatever, really kicks you from your chair (and the ME2 trailer did that for me), then it is because it was able to connect with you. And that is most easily done when there already is a culture, a set of ideas, which can be used. I claim we haven't got them for females yet, not enough anyway.
So what I am saying is that making an equally good FemShep trailer would be harder; she simply would need more of an introduction.
If you think this is a lot of bull****, you are welcome, because maybe it is. It was never my intention to elaborate on this.
"the beef" is simply the fact that wrong assumptions are done in here based on almost nothing. besides, i dont mind a female ingame footage or something and i REALLY do want to know the voice of ladyhawke, considering that i mostly play female characters in rpgs (im male 24/7, why should i also be in a video game xD). what i also dislike is the "tone" in here. nothing against writing a message to bioware or something but asking "are you female?? do you want to see female hawke??? send a postcard!!" doesn't help a thing. and that everybody assumes that we men are in a advantage for we "saw" our character. yes. we saw how he looks like. do we know his voice? no. do we have to play as him? no. i dont see such a big advantage there....swirlwind wrote...
Yes, Jade Empire did feature Lotus Blossom in its advertising. Does that mean marketing for later games shouldn't feature female protagonists, since it was done once then and again when DA:O was advertised? Also, the launch of ME1 wasn't exactly in "the early days" of gaming.
I have a hard time understanding where you're coming from here. It's not like we're asking something that takes something away from you, or anyone else, for that matter. Of course, asking for it to happen _right now_ isn't going to make it happen right now. However, asking for it in general makes it clear we want it. It's the only way to remind the devs and the marketing people that there's an audience here who really wants to see LadyHawke. Female gamers aren't exactly a rarity nowadays, and besides, it's not just females asking for it. So what's the beef?
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iTomes wrote...
"the beef" is simply the fact that wrong assumptions are done in here based on almost nothing. besides, i dont mind a female ingame footage or something and i REALLY do want to know the voice of ladyhawke, considering that i mostly play female characters in rpgs (im male 24/7, why should i also be in a video game xD). what i also dislike is the "tone" in here. nothing against writing a message to bioware or something but asking "are you female?? do you want to see female hawke??? send a postcard!!" doesn't help a thing. and that everybody assumes that we men are in a advantage for we "saw" our character. yes. we saw how he looks like. do we know his voice? no. do we have to play as him? no. i dont see such a big advantage there....swirlwind wrote...
Yes, Jade Empire did feature Lotus Blossom in its advertising. Does that mean marketing for later games shouldn't feature female protagonists, since it was done once then and again when DA:O was advertised? Also, the launch of ME1 wasn't exactly in "the early days" of gaming.
I have a hard time understanding where you're coming from here. It's not like we're asking something that takes something away from you, or anyone else, for that matter. Of course, asking for it to happen _right now_ isn't going to make it happen right now. However, asking for it in general makes it clear we want it. It's the only way to remind the devs and the marketing people that there's an audience here who really wants to see LadyHawke. Female gamers aren't exactly a rarity nowadays, and besides, it's not just females asking for it. So what's the beef?
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tez19 wrote...
anyway the point is that more males play dragon age then females so that is why bioware focuses their advertising campaign on them imo. i couldnt care less if the trailer was of female hawke. i would rather bioware put their resources into the game and not trailers for men with male hawke and trailers for females with female hawke and trialers for blacks with black male hawke and black female hawke. and trailers for whites with white male hawke and white female hawke and trailers for asians with chinese male hawke and chinese female hawke. and trailers for the middle east with arab male hawke and arab female hawke. the list is endless..
i know the atheism problem pretty well, you can believe me thatjln.francisco wrote...
I guarantee you watching your 'tone' is about as helpful as rolling out the red carpet. As someone who spent much of his life trying to get his parents and family to accept atheism (still cant tell them for fear they'll stop taking the money I send them to keep them afloat) being friendly/cheerful/whatever doesn't do anything to change people's minds. At least not in my experiences.
. but thats a totally different situation. what we have here is something like: "im going to be an atheist and im also angry at you because i simply KNOW you wont accept me then!!". no matter what one does or what one writes here, the devs know pretty much what trailers will be released and nobody here really can change that. if DA2 is released and no female trailers or ingame scenes were released ill be the first to join the rant, for that is the point were i CAN try to make a difference. untill then, one can only wait and hope.
i dislike your non-intellectual responses tez187dumb or whatever your name bloody name is lol. please go back to your bridge or commit suicide or whatever but stop trolling. thank you.tez19 wrote...
i like your intellectual responses jln.franhfhsksi or whatever your bloody name is lol.
Would you please clarify what are the wrong assumptions you are referring to? That we haven't yet seen LadyHawke? Because we haven't. That we've never seen femShepard in any of the Mass Effect marketing material, for the first or the second game? Because we haven't. That Dragon Age 2 and the Mass Effect franchise share a similarity in that they both feature a predetermined protagonist? Because they do. That Dragon Age 2 and the Mass Effect franchise are both products made by BioWare? Because they are. That having seen only maleShep in ME marketing material could lead to the fear that we'll only see maleHawke in DA2 marketing? Because that's what's happened so far.iTomes wrote...
"the beef" is simply the fact that wrong assumptions are done in here based on almost nothing.
How do you know whether it helps or not? Don't you think keeping quiet would help even less?iTomes wrote...
what i also dislike is the "tone" in here. nothing against writing a message to bioware or something but asking "are you female?? do you want to see female hawke??? send a postcard!!" doesn't help a thing.
I'm sorry if you fail to appreciate the nice things BioWare has done for you. Trust me, if the game's first CGI trailer had featured LadyHawke, I'd have made a wicked cool happy dance, filmed it, put it on YouTube and sent handcrafted LadyHawke plushies to every BioWare marketing person involved in the DA2 marketing campaign. And I don't even do handicrafts, so that would've been really difficult and time consuming.iTomes wrote...
and that everybody assumes that we men are in a advantage for we "saw" our character. yes. we saw how he looks like. do we know his voice? no. do we have to play as him? no. i dont see such a big advantage there....
Modifié par tez19, 21 août 2010 - 07:07 .
Modifié par Ulicus, 21 août 2010 - 07:08 .
Ulicus wrote...
Would be awesome. Won't happen. Or, at least, a big fancy CGI Lady Hawke trailer won't happen. We might get gameplay trailers featuring her.
Saibh wrote...
I've never, ever had a problem wrapping my head around FemShep. I don't know a lot of people who do. Actually, I don't know anyone who did.
Besides, point being made is that FemShep isn't anywhere to be found. She is never acknowledged. Your argument is too abstract for me to take seriously. I'm sorry, but you're essentially making the claim that people just wouldn't believe it. What, people wouldn't believe a couple of screenshots?
wrong. people here talk about why something WILL not be made and then simply complain about it...Rapidiul wrote...
People only talk about why something can not be made. That is sad.
krimesh wrote...
Saibh wrote...
I've never, ever had a problem wrapping my head around FemShep. I don't know a lot of people who do. Actually, I don't know anyone who did.
Besides, point being made is that FemShep isn't anywhere to be found. She is never acknowledged. Your argument is too abstract for me to take seriously. I'm sorry, but you're essentially making the claim that people just wouldn't believe it. What, people wouldn't believe a couple of screenshots?
Nah, I was only talking about the trailers and about how that would or wouldn't work. The fact that I only realized that you can have a FemShep when I started the game definitely shows that Bioware missed that. No argument about that.
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