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[Fiery Phoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Its funny that women would rather go with Thane and Garrus who are both aliens, over Jacob.
Guess getting called teh prize is a real turn off.

One day the writer of the Jacob romance will be brave enough to step forward and admit it.

hmmmm.....
Heavy Risk...

But the priiiiizzzzzeee!!! 

[Giggles_Manically]

I wonder if the ME team knew that, Jacobs line would get turned into something that every player laughs at.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I wonder if the ME team knew that, Jacobs line would get turned into something that every player laughs at.

Whoever wrote Jacob's character must be real proud of himself.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I wonder if the ME team knew that, Jacobs line would get turned into something that every player laughs at.

Actually, they quite honestly thought Jacob would be one of the most popular characters in ME2. Which I'm guessing why he had  one of the most dialouges in the game.

[Barquiel]

Lizardviking wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I wonder if the ME team knew that, Jacobs line would get turned into something that every player laughs at.

Whoever wrote Jacob's character must be real proud of himself.

I think Jacob's buildup dialogue isn't that bad (it's just horrible if Shep is not interested), the sex scene ruins the romance imo^_^

[Fiery Phoenix]

I wanted to add: As opposed to Jacob and Garrus, Thane was created/written with romance in mind. He was intended to be an attractive love interest for female Shepard players from the get go. And this article more or less proves that.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I wanted to add: As opposed to Jacob and Garrus, Thane was created/written with romance in mind. He was intended to be an attractive love interest for female Shepard players from the get go. And this article more or less proves that.

True, but the more and more I watch Garrus's romance it kind of seems that he doesn't intend for that moment before the suicide mission to be a one time thing. Watching his rejection scene at the end kind of raises a few alarms.

[Pacifien]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
I wanted to add: As opposed to Jacob and Garrus, Thane was created/written with romance in mind. He was intended to be an attractive love interest for female Shepard players from the get go. And this article more or less proves that.

Eh, some people might say designing a character with a specific purpose would feel like it's being forced upon you. Certainly see that criticism about Miranda's whole role (not just romance) in ME2.

It's what probably kills the Jacob romance, as female Shepard will play it as a flirtation whether you want it to or not.

Problem Bioware has always had is that inevitably they will force an interpretation of a character on you. Sometimes this is the interpretation you were going to have for the character anyway, so it's not a problem. Sometimes your interpretation is quite different.

Such is the problem with Shepard. They want you to mold Shepard however you wish, but Shepard still has to fit into the story Bioware wants to tell. There's a lot of filling in blanks with the player's own imagination.

In my personal ME universe, Garrus is a good comrade in arms. He fits my character a lot better that way.

[Pacifien]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
True, but the more and more I watch Garrus's romance it kind of seems that he doesn't intend for that moment before the suicide mission to be a one time thing. Watching his rejection scene at the end kind of raises a few alarms.

Well, that's the very last night anyone on that ship is going to have. Shepard is his only friend, his dearest friend. He wants that last night to be a good one, a happy memory after a long series of bad ones. Shepard offered to make it a good one.

He gets rejected, now how is he going to spend his last night? Alone. That's depressing.

[FourSixEight]

OniGanon wrote...

My beef with Garrus' romance: claw hammer.

But seriously, Garrus' romance, like Tali's, was included because the fans were asking for it from the last game. Possible fatalities didn't deter the fans from wanting it, so they're not going to be stopped by minor things like the sheer suddenness of it or Garrus' hero worshipping.

Garrus was "hero worshipping" in Mass Effect 1 as well, and in Garrus's case, Shepard's the one that brings romance up, so you can't very well say he suddenly developed a crush on her after ME1.

As for Tali, she was rescued by Shepard in ME1. Rescued and given free roam over the most advanced ship in the galaxy, to help save the galaxy and do it at Shepard's side. Her developing a crush on the person that quite literally changed her life for the better isn't that sudden.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Pacifien wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
I wanted to add: As opposed to Jacob and Garrus, Thane was created/written with romance in mind. He was intended to be an attractive love interest for female Shepard players from the get go. And this article more or less proves that.

Eh, some people might say designing a character with a specific purpose would feel like it's being forced upon you. Certainly see that criticism about Miranda's whole role (not just romance) in ME2.

It's what probably kills the Jacob romance, as female Shepard will play it as a flirtation whether you want it to or not.

Problem Bioware has always had is that inevitably they will force an interpretation of a character on you. Sometimes this is the interpretation you were going to have for the character anyway, so it's not a problem. Sometimes your interpretation is quite different.

Such is the problem with Shepard. They want you to mold Shepard however you wish, but Shepard still has to fit into the story Bioware wants to tell. There's a lot of filling in blanks with the player's own imagination.

In my personal ME universe, Garrus is a good comrade in arms. He fits my character a lot better that way.

I agree 100%, Pacifien.

To be quite frank, I think Jacob's romance could have been a whole lot better. I have no idea why it was done the way it is. It really doesn't even feel like a romance (you know what I mean here). Couldn't they have made a second version of Kaidan's romance at least?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I wanted to add: As opposed to Jacob and Garrus, Thane was created/written with romance in mind. He was intended to be an attractive love interest for female Shepard players from the get go. And this article more or less proves that.

I don't mind character being written as Li material in mind, as long as the character has a purpose in the game beyond that.

Which is why I really don't like Thane at all.

[Pacifien]

Lizardviking wrote...
I don't mind character being written as Li material in mind, as long as the character has a purpose in the game beyond that.

Which is why I really don't like Thane at all.

Man, the developers should have really worked out that last minute switch on Thane's and Garrus's roles during the suicide mission. Thane's lack of a role sure does bite him in the ass.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Pacifien wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
True, but the more and more I watch Garrus's romance it kind of seems that he doesn't intend for that moment before the suicide mission to be a one time thing. Watching his rejection scene at the end kind of raises a few alarms.

Well, that's the very last night anyone on that ship is going to have. Shepard is his only friend, his dearest friend. He wants that last night to be a good one, a happy memory after a long series of bad ones. Shepard offered to make it a good one.

He gets rejected, now how is he going to spend his last night? Alone. That's depressing.

Yeah, it really is. Though, I still doubt that would be just a one time thing. After everything they've been through. But we won't know until Bioware releases more DLC which is story driven or in ME3.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Pacifien wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
I don't mind character being written as Li material in mind, as long as the character has a purpose in the game beyond that.

Which is why I really don't like Thane at all.

Man, the developers should have really worked out that last minute switch on Thane's and Garrus's roles during the suicide mission. Thane's lack of a role sure does bite him in the ass.

Thane as a succsesful team leader or hold the line specialist?

He's an assassin ya know.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Lizardviking wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I wanted to add: As opposed to Jacob and Garrus, Thane was created/written with romance in mind. He was intended to be an attractive love interest for female Shepard players from the get go. And this article more or less proves that.

I don't mind character being written as Li material in mind, as long as the character has a purpose in the game beyond that.

Which is why I really don't like Thane at all.

Well, as a matter of fact, the majority of the ME2 squadmates hardly have any true relevance to what's going on. I'm sure you realize that.

HOWEVER, it doesn't change the fact that they're one of the best characters I've ever seen in a video game. Lots of people are butthurt by how the squadmates seem useless and unnecessary in the big picture, but that's not how I see it. Not at all, actually. In fact, I can't name a single character in the game that I dislike.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I wanted to add: As opposed to Jacob and Garrus, Thane was created/written with romance in mind. He was intended to be an attractive love interest for female Shepard players from the get go. And this article more or less proves that.

I don't mind character being written as Li material in mind, as long as the character has a purpose in the game beyond that.

Which is why I really don't like Thane at all.

Well, as a matter of fact, the majority of the ME2 squadmates hardly have any true relevance to what's going on. I'm sure you realize that.

HOWEVER, it doesn't change the fact that they're one of the best characters I've ever seen in a video game. Lots of people are butthurt by how the squadmates seem useless and unnecessary in the big picture, but that's not how I see it. Not at all, actually. In fact, I can't name a single character in the game that I dislike.

Sure most of the squadmembers "roles" are interchangeable but the fact is that they CAN do something in the game.

Garrus atleast does something (provides vital ship upgrade and have 2 roles in mission he can fufill)
Tali atleast does something (provides vital ship upgrade, have 1 role in the mission and is part of an important sub-plot)

But what does Thane do at all?

He has no role on the mission.
He provides no vital ship upgrade.
He's not part of any important sub-plot (I don't think that Turian politican matters much).

To be frank, The only reason he is there is because Bioware wanted some fanservice for the female playerbase.

[NuclearBuddha]

Lizardviking wrote...
To be frank, The only reason he is there is because Bioware wanted some fanservice for the female playerbase.

You say this like it's an invalid purpose.

[Pacifien]

Lizardviking wrote...
Thane as a succsesful team leader or hold the line specialist?

He's an assassin ya know.

I'm sure the developers were quite aware of how they designed Thane. Could make an argument for how Thane would have fit the role just as well as Garrus, but it doesn't matter at this point.

I have this theory that the developers designed the details of the suicide mission before any other mission in the game.

[Collider]

Well Thane does contribute decently to the hold the line segment doesn't he? Not as much Garrus, Grunt, and Zaeed, though.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
To be frank, The only reason he is there is because Bioware wanted some fanservice for the female playerbase.

You say this like it's an invalid purpose.

I don't mind it. As long as the character has a purpose beyond that.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Lizardviking wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
To be frank, The only reason he is there is because Bioware wanted some fanservice for the female playerbase.

You say this like it's an invalid purpose.

I don't mind it. As long as the character has a purpose beyond that.

Garrus and Tali are (especially the former) purely fan service, too, ya know?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Collider wrote...

Well Thane does contribute decently to the hold the line segment doesn't he? Not as much Garrus, Grunt, and Zaeed, though.

He's not a specialist like Grunt, Zaeed or Garrus is. Thane gives a decent score like Miranda, Samara, Jacob and Legion.

[Pacifien]

Collider wrote...
Well Thane does contribute decently to the hold the line segment doesn't he? Not as much Garrus, Grunt, and Zaeed, though.

No more than Jacob, Legion, Miranda or Samara/Morinth. He was supposed to contribute more, though.

Modifié par Pacifien, 21 août 2010 - 11:00 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
To be frank, The only reason he is there is because Bioware wanted some fanservice for the female playerbase.

You say this like it's an invalid purpose.

I don't mind it. As long as the character has a purpose beyond that.

Garrus and Tali are (especially the former) purely fan service, too, ya know?

But like I said. They do (or can do) something in the game.