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FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
To be frank, The only reason he is there is because Bioware wanted some fanservice for the female playerbase.

You say this like it's an invalid purpose.

I don't mind it. As long as the character has a purpose beyond that.

Garrus and Tali are (especially the former) purely fan service, too, ya know?

Uh, no they aren't. They were present in the first game with no romances. Their romances are fanservice, but their characters themselves are not. Anyway, I don't think there's anything wrong with "fanservice," if it's done right. I think Thane was done right, he's a wonderful character. We can agree, yes?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Collider wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
To be frank, The only reason he is there is because Bioware wanted some fanservice for the female playerbase.

You say this like it's an invalid purpose.

I don't mind it. As long as the character has a purpose beyond that.

Garrus and Tali are (especially the former) purely fan service, too, ya know?

Uh, no they aren't. They were present in the first game with no romances. Their romances are fanservice, but their characters themselves are not. Anyway, I don't think there's anything wrong with "fanservice," if it's done right. I think Thane was done right, he's a wonderful character. We can agree, yes?

I meant their romances, not them as in them personally. Sorry for the confusion.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
To be frank, The only reason he is there is because Bioware wanted some fanservice for the female playerbase.

You say this like it's an invalid purpose.

I don't mind it. As long as the character has a purpose beyond that.

Garrus and Tali are (especially the former) purely fan service, too, ya know?

Uh, no they aren't. They were present in the first game with no romances. Their romances are fanservice, but their characters themselves are not. Anyway, I don't think there's anything wrong with "fanservice," if it's done right. I think Thane was done right, he's a wonderful character. We can agree, yes?

Garrus and Tali where brought back for pure fan service!!!! Everyone knows it and it's true. If they where really important to the story then they would have got cameos like Liara and Ash/Kai who are more important to the oiverall story arch.

[Fiery Phoenix]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Garrus and Tali where brought back for pure fan service!!!! Everyone knows it and it's true. If they where really important to the story then they would have got cameos like Liara and Ash/Kai who are more important to the oiverall story arch.

Like we said above, it's their romances that are almost obviously fan service. Them returning makes sense per se.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 21 août 2010 - 11:04 .

[Esbatty]

I mean when the Garrus "Reach and Flexibility" story comes up at the precipice of pursue/not pursue of the Romance part, he's talking to you as good friends that can talk about anything. He sees you as Shepard... friend, leader, confidante. So when you initiate with the "Your Reach and My Flexibility" he is a bit taken aback.



He even walks off from his personal workspace before telling you "I respect you... but sure, if we can make it work." He throws up 1) their friendship and 2) their physical disparity. I don't see it that as Garrus trying to keep up Shep's approval of him.



Thane on the otherhand is dying, lost his wife, almost lost his son to his bleak profession. While he is a taker of life, he is a living weapon wielded by others. Shepard is brought back from the dead, after fighting against all odds, pitted against, literally, Deus ex Machina. Shep has died and come back to serve as a weapon against great evil.



Jacob is the "everyman", kind of like Shepard from ME1.He's gung ho but wary. He has experience but he is still young and has a history marred by loss. Inspite of being no longer part of a proper military he still follows a code of conduct and thus he sees Shepard as his CO but finally comes to terms that he is still human and can indeed have what he wants.



While Jacob is the soldier pulled into a greater conflict, Thane is a living weapon, and Garrus is that urge to exact justice no matter the cost. They're all kind of different perspectives of Shepard and thus the relationships that can be formed is Shepard coming to terms with those parts of themselves, while Femshep can literally embrace them and share in the comfort of being human, being at peace, or being just... loved.



I dare not touch the Kelly portion for that is chalked up to the hanky panky with the Consort of ME1.



And this thread isn't so much about Male Shepard so I'll not overly analyze Jack/Miri/Tali... for now.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

What if ME2 was purely fanservice?

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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

What if ME2 was purely fanservice?

OMG
I HATE ME2 FOREVER NOW

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Collider wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

What if ME2 was purely fanservice?

OMG
I HATE ME2 FOREVER NOW

I know right? They could of skipped to ME3 but nooooooooo....we kept on insisting they make ME2 a recruitable squad member and LI. And look what we got.

[narthwastaken]

Hang on? thane has no purpose? He dishes out beastly amounts of damage that's purpose to me. As well as team balance and plot balance, for the game to work the characters have to be balanced in terms of game capabilities. You need a good mix. Thane is a "glass cannon" I feel. Very squishy but if he doesn't get focused on by enemy, they tend to die fast.



I've only played as manshep but that gave me perspective on each character. Thane is dark, mysterious but there's actually a person in his embittered shell, he seems a bit, out of touch with people, his interactions are stilted but that's lack of practice not that he doesn't like people. Jack came accross as a good guy, he wants to make a difference and he feels he can do it fighting. He fights *for* something, as a friend he is a bit of an "everyman", though he came accross as solid, dependable and very much the typical "good soldier" stereotype I didn't feel he was the most interesting character but at the same time, if I was fighting a "suicide" mission, I'd be glad to have him on my side.



Garrus is complicated, however you practically redefine his personality in ME1 so for anything to happen doesn't seem impossible. I think most people hit it on the head, he doesn't fall for you hormonally, just when confronted with it he realises that you'd be amazing for him and he'd be stupid to turn it down. Of course that sort of thing implies there has to be some sort of feelings knocking around, but they may not be developed if he's spent all his time making calibrations to the weapons and not thinking about his emotions.

[MaaZeus]

narthwastaken wrote...


Garrus is complicated, however you practically redefine his personality in ME1 so for anything to happen doesn't seem impossible. I think most people hit it on the head, he doesn't fall for you hormonally, just when confronted with it he realises that you'd be amazing for him and he'd be stupid to turn it down. Of course that sort of thing implies there has to be some sort of feelings knocking around, but they may not be developed if he's spent all his time making calibrations to the weapons and not thinking about his emotions.

Indeed. My analysis is that It is obvious Garrus loves Shepard, but not romantically (at first). He practically worships her as a leader and a close friend he can trust and whos opinion he values. And like the "reach and flexibility" talk, even if it is a rather ahem personal but hey, no secrets between friends. But he obviously hasnt even thought about being more than just friends (too much calibrations indeed) until Shep brings it up, and even then all the talk is about having a "tie breaker" of sorts, not romantic but friendly stress relieving before suicide mission.
This idea is kept on until the actual scene comes, then I think Garrus has had more thought about it and wishes it to be more in the future, considering the way he speaks about "making things go right just once" etc... If you reject him, he is absolutely crushed and I am even surprised he doesnt go and do suicide right away (just before suicide mission. oh the irony )

[Rogue Unit]

You see the way Shepard smiles at Garrus when you're talking to him? That. That is more creepy than the possibly life risking, scaly, sex with Garrus.

[OniGanon]

Gameplay-wise, Thane seems to be one of the only damage dealing squadmates that understand the need to stay the hell back out of the fight. Thus, he lives long after Zaeed and Garrus have charged blindly on towards death.

FourSixEight wrote...
Garrus was "hero worshipping" in Mass Effect 1 as well, and in Garrus's case, Shepard's the one that brings romance up, so you can't very well say he suddenly developed a crush on her after ME1.

Shepard showed zero interest throughout all of ME1, and then BAM offers a roll in the hay out of nowhere at the end of ME2. That's pretty sudden.

Modifié par OniGanon, 24 août 2010 - 08:02 .

[Bananagirl]

Garrus is a good friend that my femShep can count on.  I get the feeling that no matter what happens, Garrus will always be loyal to her and watch her back.  If I were to pursue a romantic relationship with him, it would feel like I was commiting incest.

[Kokooro]

I personally think that you can clearly see that he does feel something for you during the romance scene especially. Did you ever turn him down turing that scene? I did it once ( saving beforehand, of course ) and you could really see the heartbreak in his eyes. So I wouldn't say that he only does it for Shep's approval. I felt reaaaally bad afterwards.

[jeweledleah]

you know, funnily enough, while I see Garrus exactly the same way as Pacifen (my renegade Shep, who's not very good with people and doesn't trust easily, goes for Garrus precisely because they are good friends and comrades, so there's trust and respect without added pressure for her) - Thane is the only possible LI in an entire game that never appealed to me on that level. Too much baggage and while he's supposed to be good looking I suppose (and voice as almost as good as Garrus's) he's just...blah. he's an interesting character, but completely fails for me at least as Mr Fanservice. /hides from Thane's fans.



Garrus and Shep relationship does have a good potential of growing into something more. will it get there...we don't know yet.

[Ryzaki]

I don't see how Garrus' relationship with Shep to be less intimate than ME1 ones. Especially considering all the hell Shep and Garrus go through together.
Just my opinion though.

As for love: I prefer it when love developes over a period of time. So Garrus is great in that regard.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 février 2011 - 06:41 .

[horacethegrey]

Personally I find Garrus to be the best romance in Mass Effect bar none, regardless of Shepard's gender. The dialogue in said romance is some of the funniest stuff I've heard in a videogame. And I like the fact that their relationship is one borne out of a long friendship that has the potential to become something more. I heartily wait in Mass Effect 3 how they'll grow as characters because of this.

[Aeowyn]

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't see how Garrus' relationship with Shep to be less intimate than ME1 ones. Especially considering all the hell Shep and Garrus go through together.
Just my opinion though.

As for love: I prefer it when love developes over a period of time. So Garrus is great in that regard.

QFT

Thane's romance (and Thane himself) did not appeal to me at all.

[HTTP 404]

Garrus is made to be a bro to Shepard regardless of sex. I think they did too much making over half of your squadmates LIs...just my opinion tho...

[Fiery Phoenix]

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Garrus is made to be a bro to Shepard regardless of sex. I think they did too much making over half of your squadmates LIs...just my opinion tho...

According to Casey Hudson, Tali was originally intended to be a love interest in ME1. They went back on their decision because they thought no one would be romantically interested in her (apparently due to her so-called chicken legs). This was fixed in ME2, when BioWare realized they had made the wrong decision about Tali. Garrus, on the other hand, was never meant to be a love interest. I think the main reason he is, though, is because Tali is one herself. That is to say, it wouldn't make sense to have him and Tali return with only Tali as a love interest.

[AntiChri5]

Necro.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

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Garrus is made to be a bro to Shepard regardless of sex. I think they did too much making over half of your squadmates LIs...just my opinion tho...

Erm... you are aware the same applied to ME right? Ash, Kaidan and Liara with Garrus, Tali and Wrex non-romanceable?

Choice is good. limiting choice is bad.

As for the topic, as others have stated, to me Garrus romance makes sense. He's one of the people who has stood by Shepard through both events and as Ryzaki said, it's good when 'romance' develops over time. In ME I had a FemShep who just wasn't interested in a relationship, she actually didn't like Garrus much to begin with, but he grew on her and whilst I wasn't one of the people 'hoping' he would be an LI, when I found out it was, it just made sense that she would fall for him because he's always been there... "I want someone I can trust" was a really good line in regards to this.

@Anti would you prefer someone just create a 'new' thread to discuss the same topic? That would have people complaining too, so people when they 'necro' topics as people like yourself like to put it are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Just saying

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Talk about necrooooooomorphing a thread.

[Loki330]

necroposting a thread is bad when you don't have anything t really revivie it with. Considering discussion seems to have almost picked up where it left off I'm not sure this is a one of those cases

[AdmiralCheez]

I actually really liked the Garrus romance, not only because it was hilarious, but because it speaks to my personal tastes when it comes to seeking a partner: friendship and trust should always come first, since they will be there when romantic love fades. For me, it's not about finding someone you want to write poetry about or send flowers to, but about finding someone you could honestly spend the rest of your life with. I have a feeling that's how Garrus sees Shepard. Sex was an afterthought, an awkward adventure into the realm of "why the hell not?" However, as many previous posters have pointed out, the romantic encounter was hardly casual for him. You can tell he cares. Shepard's feelings are supplied by the player, so how you view Shep's thoughts on the matter depends on whether you focus on her dialogue or on the intent behind choosing it.



Additionally, I have a weakness for badasses with an adorkable side.