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[Tirigon]

jln.francisco wrote...


No it doesn't. It doesn't take a lick of talent or anything of that nature. Twilight is addictive for the same reason things like Army of Two are fun. It has nothing to do with originality, good writing, innovative gameplay or whatever. It fills some niche in your life and because you can't get this fix somewhere else, you keep coming back. That's also the reason I keep reading naruto despite it being absolute trash.

As far as talent goes I'd be surprised if Ms. Meyers could out perform the slash and harem fanfic writers on fanfiction.net.

Well, you maybe.

I read Twilight because I wanted to know what every girl in my school loved, and then read the other 3 novels simply because I liked it. Not because "it fills a niche in my life". Filling the niche is what PC-games are forB)

[Tirigon]

iTomes wrote...

well, i have to disagree. 1. the book pretty much includes religious indoctrination (drinking blood = sex before the marriage => vampires that drink blood = evil scary monsters. lesson learned: children, dont have sex before marriage or youll become an evil monster).

lol never looked at it that way... Anyways, i found the blood-drinking vampires much cooler so i should probably start f*cking everyone artound :devil:

2. the lovestory isn't really THAT good. mostly because the vampire aspect remains pretty unused. you COULD make something out of it, but the way meyer (or what her name was) does it it doesn't really work out. the situations she allows to occure can occur similar in real life without vampire powers (family problems, shy girl and guy (how the HELL can a 300 or whatever years old person behave that way and why is he interested in schoolgirls) troubles with a social background whatever) or something like that. those "powers" are only made to hype the story up but the real "vampire" thing and the out of it following problems arent shown enough (again: age difference of several centurys).
3. if you only look at it as a pure romance on the other hand it also pretty much fails because it wastes MUCH too much time on that entire vampire-business, even if thats not really important.

Personal taste.

besides, i dont think that twilights really read because of the romance. its read because of the "forbidden dangerous love wrawr" aspect. you can pretty much prove that by saying that the largest part of the book jumping on the hype have pretty strong erotic aspects (i stoped counting all that novels with half-naked men on the cover one day) and (after all i heard) dont really care for romances...

Well, *I* didn´t read it because of forbidden love. Can´t say about others, though, and don´t really care anyways.

However, if you are not interested in romance stories then it is obviously not a book for you... but that doesn´t mean it´s bad. If you hate all RTS games that doesn´t mean StarCraft is bad either, just that is not for you because of difference in tastes.

[iTomes]

"lol never looked at it that way... Anyways, i found the
blood-drinking vampires much cooler so i should probably start f*cking
everyone artound ../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png"

thats most likely a good place to start. however it was more or less confirmed by the author herself (cant find it right now and i actually dont care enough to search). shes a mormone or something, thats a sub-religion that has pretty hard methods of getting new members. like that Jehova guys, just more anoying. my father once had to move because they were at his door every day for like 2 hours....


however, it -indeed- is a matter of taste. there are people out there who enjoy it out of reasons not known to me, even tough it fails on the most "objective" standards (but thats something many books do, also almost all i enjoy to read xD). i do know a lot of people liking it, even tough i will never understand them, and i guess that doesn't matter at all. the only thing annoying is that that whole wave destroy the "horror vampires" and replaces them with the "huggy vampires"....

[Habassi]

We have vampires everywhere these days: vampire books, TV series, Movies, Twilight-obsessed teens (and to point out the creepiness of it all - moms), not to mention the whole vampire themed franchise.. Even Bioware cannot restore dignity to vampires. They're just too far gone.



So no, sorry, but no more vampires.

[nightfall2063]

Tirigon wrote...

Well, Twilight isn´t as bad as you and all the others here make it.

Look at it as a lovestory instead of a vampire story and it´s actually by far the best in its genre.

Yes it is.  As a literary work it is almost worthless.  The series does not even have a plot, just a series of conflicts to push forward what we are supposed to assume is a romance.

Being the best in a horrible genre is not something to be proud of.  It is not even a love story, its a creepy exercise in domination and stalking.

Three things that Twilight is teaching our children.

1:  Stalking is love.
2:  Get married at a very young age.
3:  Being a strong independent woman will only lead you to misery.

The ONLY good thing Twilight has done in the last several years is that it has gotten people to read... but even that is questionable due to the content.

I really do not see the fascination with the "romantic" view of Vampires.  Over time they would lose their humanity, and seeing one trying to fall in love with a woman would be like someone falling in love with a talking cow.

They are inhuman monsters that live by devouring people.

As for Dragon Age.

It does not need a "traditional" vampire in it.  The way their lore is worked about undead (skeletons, zombies, and stuff) it would not work to easily.  The closest I could see it as a Hunger Demon possessing a still living host and turning them into one of the few human looking abominations like Uldreth (before the change) and Flemeth.

[ProudNegro]

Couldnt find a non vulgar example But im willing to take the risk

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 24 août 2010 - 10:49 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

There's no need to get upset over how awful Twilight is as a piece of fiction. It's like knock-off Oreos: filled with poison, insubstantial, and likely to make you throw up. And yet it has this crack-addled appeal to even those who know it's bad. I've got plenty of friends who admit it's horrible and enjoy it nonetheless.

I've taken to loving Twilight just for the Rifftrax that come out of it. Listening to the MST3K guys literally splutter with disbelief and occasionally incoherent rage is pure gold.

[Chris Priestly]

4 people have now been banned 24 hours for fighting.

Get this back on topic of Dragon Age 2 or the thread gets closed.

[RyuAzai]

I wouldn't mean seeing Eric Northmen waltz around in Dragon Age 2 .



Go Skarsgard

[Rubbish Hero]

ProudNegro wrote...

Couldnt find a non vulgar example But im willing to take the risk

Edit: Image removed. :devil:

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Actually, both characters presented in those movies are about sexual repression, Especially in the updated (and better) 1979 version of Nosferatu The Vampyre where Klaus Kinski grasps Isabelle Adjani's breast in a sensual manner while feeding. He dies because she temps him to stay which he cannot resist.

www.youtube.com/watch

Obviously Twilight sucks and is nowhere near as good as Wener Herzog's movie.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 24 août 2010 - 10:50 .

[Avilia]

No thank you

[DiosMios]

If vampires are included in the DA universe, then I would hope they'd be like Darkspawn, albeit more human Darkspawn.

[darkshadow136]

I would like to see Vampires in the DAO Universe. But better yet I would like to see Bioware make a Vampire RPG much like Vampire the masquerade bloodlines, but make it open ended like an Elderscrolls game.

[bzombo]

Shining Ghost wrote...

If not join them, I would at least like to go in their lair and have a word with them. Do some quest for them or something.

So, what do you think?


[Update - Monday, August 23, 2010]

The things I love about vampires is their nature, their hidden existence within their food(i.e., us), their secretive society [as evident in Blood Omen series(game), Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines(game), True Blood(especially from Season 2)]. Even Baldur's Gate 2 had vampires. NWN had Rakshasa.

The problem with these cannibals of DA is that they're not as cool as the above mentioned and they're possessed unwillingly! WTF? Within the scope of DA what I think would work is people willingly submitting themselves to the demon host to become this powerful cannibal and then the person and the host working together, in a symbiosis relationship . This way the cannibal will have a concrete identity and much more effective self-awareness than the - oh look I'm doing these sickeningly evil stuffs not because I'm evil but I'm possessed against my will - crap. And to be in closeness of their food they should live among humans, being disguised and having a secret society of their own.

And NO, in no ****ing way I'm a fan of the Twilight ****!


@casedawgz:
But a vampire after being made starts acting like one. Like - I'm a vampire, I need to drink blood to survive. It retains a lot of its human intelligence.

But with existing DA cannibals, the people are never in control of themselves but the she-demon hosts are. Demon is NOT EQUAL to Vampire.


@Behindyounow:
I'm not saying demons are mindless. All I'm saying is that demons' agenda and vampires' agenda are not the same. 

Demons are like devils. They don't care about us. They're just busy manipulating us.

i don't think classic style vampires have any place in dragon age. hunger demons are close enough for me.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I would like to see the Count from Sesame Street make a cameo. Perhaps he could count darkspawn slain?

[Tirigon]

nightfall2063 wrote...

Yes it is.  As a literary work it is almost worthless.

I have heard that even about LotR, so I´m not sure if your word is really enough to make that believable. I must say I disagree. It is enjoyed by many people, and as a book is supposed to be fun and not something else, I think it is NOT worthless at all.

Three things that Twilight is teaching our children.

1:  Stalking is love.
2:  Get married at a very young age.
3:  Being a strong independent woman will only lead you to misery.

The ONLY good thing Twilight has done in the last several years is that it has gotten people to read... but even that is questionable due to the content.

Books don´t teach you anything. They´re fictional stories, not instructions, and if you read them as such you should consider searching for help.

I really do not see the fascination with the "romantic" view of Vampires.  Over time they would lose their humanity, and seeing one trying to fall in love with a woman would be like someone falling in love with a talking cow.
They are inhuman monsters that live by devouring people.

Which is indeed WHY they are fascinating. The constant threat to die, but also the chance to become a vampire yourself thus ascending to a higher, more powerful being is very thrilling.
At least it was if they´d exist. Sadly that´s highly improbable.

As for Dragon Age.
It does not need a "traditional" vampire in it.  The way their lore is worked about undead (skeletons, zombies, and stuff) it would not work to easily.  The closest I could see it as a Hunger Demon possessing a still living host and turning them into one of the few human looking abominations like Uldreth (before the change) and Flemeth.

I agree. But, after reading this thread, I´d somehow like if they could incorporate a reference to Twilight as an easter egg, and hopefully with a chance to kill lil´Edward:devil::devil:

[ErichHartmann]

Vampires will never go out of style. Like anything else, they go through a cycle of highs and lows. The problem is too many people associate vampires through Western cultural eyes. You can find vampire myths in almost every part of the world. Their common thread is the thirst for blood. Beyond that don't think there is one interpretation for what is a vampire.

[Mecha Tengu]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Vampires will never go out of style. Like anything else, they go through a cycle of highs and lows. The problem is too many people associate vampires through Western cultural eyes. You can find vampire myths in almost every part of the world. Their common thread is the thirst for blood. Beyond that don't think there is one interpretation for what is a vampire.

[Riona45]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Vampires will never go out of style. Like anything else, they go through a cycle of highs and lows. The problem is too many people associate vampires through Western cultural eyes. You can find vampire myths in almost every part of the world. Their common thread is the thirst for blood. Beyond that don't think there is one interpretation for what is a vampire.

Indeed, that's exactly what I've read about them.  I love making fun of "sparkly vampires" but in truth I'd hardly say they aren't valid.  Being unable to cross running water is kinda silly too.

[Mecha Tengu]

nightfall2063 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Well, Twilight isn´t as bad as you and all the others here make it.

Look at it as a lovestory instead of a vampire story and it´s actually by far the best in its genre.

Yes it is.  As a literary work it is almost worthless.  The series does not even have a plot, just a series of conflicts to push forward what we are supposed to assume is a romance.

Being the best in a horrible genre is not something to be proud of.  It is not even a love story, its a creepy exercise in domination and stalking.

Three things that Twilight is teaching our children.

1:  Stalking is love.
2:  Get married at a very young age.
3:  Being a strong independent woman will only lead you to misery.

The ONLY good thing Twilight has done in the last several years is that it has gotten people to read... but even that is questionable due to the content.

Twilight was a great counterexample and taught me how to create stories without Mary Sues and idiocy

[nightfall2063]

Tirigon wrote...

Opinion stuff...

I actually wrote like a nine paragraph argument against Twilight, but did not post it because it is not Dragon Age.

Figured I like Bioware to much to risk a ban.