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[tmp7704]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Big point made, very obvious factually correct.

Again, what point? A game made by some people isn't serious. Why does it mean another game made by different people can't be more serious than that? When movies and books have been doing it for years and ages, your complaint comes across like simple inability to cope with things being broader than you expect them to be.

[nisallik]

David, please convince BioWare to allow you to continue the Dragon Age novels. Thanks! ;p

[Rubbish Hero]

tmp7704 wrote...A game made by some people isn't serious. Why does it mean another game made by different people can't be more serious than that?

Very much stupid.
Like turn Sesame Street Oz shower fun time screwdriver stabs, no right.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 22 août 2010 - 05:15 .

[Proodle]

Bobad wrote...

Hmm, am I the only one that imagines Bobcat Goldthwait when reading Rubbish's posts?

I can't help but read his/her posts with Mordin Solus' voice.

[Emperor Mars]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

David Glider writes character like supposed to be Roman Polanski Jewish man piano hell movie. Not, video game sex with squid lady's in sex gear, save universe bang bang. Ridiculous come across very much. Valve much better self aware video game, Portal, Halfife 2, big superior, very big, probably the biggest.

I would be lying if I said I understand what you are saying.

Modifié par Emperor Mars, 22 août 2010 - 05:21 .

[Bobad]

Proodle wrote...

Bobad wrote...

Hmm, am I the only one that imagines Bobcat Goldthwait when reading Rubbish's posts?

I can't help but read his/her posts with Mordin Solus' voice.

Oh I couldn't possibly do that, too great a connotation of intellect

Modifié par Bobad, 22 août 2010 - 05:22 .

[tmp7704]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Very much stupid.
Like turn Sesame Street Oz shower fun time screwdriver stabs, no right.

No make sense still.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0183790/ knights in movie, made up, not serious, fun
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0349683/ knights in movie, made up, not fun, serious. no people cry "wrong, shouldn't do it."

subject and tone two different things, can mix and match. no firm rules.

[Druss99]

Bobad wrote...

Hmm, am I the only one that imagines Bobcat Goldthwait when reading Rubbish's posts?

I think more of some guy in his 30's raging that the world has left him behind. How he hasn't been banned I don't know. He is constantly trolling and clearly speaks english but insists on typing like Captain Caveman.

But back on subject I think its awesome the same writing team is working on DA2. In an RPG you can forgive alot of things if the story and writing is excellent. I am excited about DA2 but if some of the changes dont work out atleast it will have the same quality writing and character dialogue. :happy:

Modifié par Druss99, 22 août 2010 - 05:28 .

[Rubbish Hero]

tmp7704 wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Very much stupid.
Like turn Sesame Street Oz shower fun time screwdriver stabs, no right.

No make sense still.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0183790/ knights in movie, made up, not serious, fun
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0349683/ knights in movie, made up, not fun, serious. no people cry "wrong, shouldn't do it."

subject and tone two different things, can mix and match. no firm rules.

No watch, Keira Knightley suck.

[Yrkoon]

David Gaider wrote...

As some have pointed out, I have a team of writers that work with me to create the story and the dialogue, but I'll happily accept any compliments on behalf of the group.

Then let me offer mine to you and your group.

 The writing for Dragon Age is far and away what makes the game so... magical,  So clearly heads and shoulders above the story-lines of any other game I've played in years and years.  If, as you say,  you and the same team are going to do the story/character  writing for DA:2,   then   this is probably the Clincher for me when it comes to deciding whether or not I'll be buying DA2. 

[tmp7704]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

No watch, Keira Knightley suck.

entirely irrelevant, still.

[Bobad]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Very much stupid.
Like turn Sesame Street Oz shower fun time screwdriver stabs, no right.

No make sense still.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0183790/ knights in movie, made up, not serious, fun
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0349683/ knights in movie, made up, not fun, serious. no people cry "wrong, shouldn't do it."

subject and tone two different things, can mix and match. no firm rules.

No watch, Keira Knightley suck.

*Must resist innuendo

[Rubbish Hero]

tmp7704 wrote...entirely very irrelevant, still.

Point across attempt moot. No watch. Relevant very much.
Wrong anyway, Oz forever point factually correct, move on, live in past not.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 22 août 2010 - 05:34 .

[Saibh]

tmp7704 wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Very much stupid.
Like turn Sesame Street Oz shower fun time screwdriver stabs, no right.

No make sense still.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0183790/ knights in movie, made up, not serious, fun
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0349683/ knights in movie, made up, not fun, serious. no people cry "wrong, shouldn't do it."

subject and tone two different things, can mix and match. no firm rules.

You're losing IQ points.

[tmp7704]

Saibh wrote...

You're losing IQ points.

I figured if i speak rubbish maybe it gets through. True enough though, it hurts if you try that

[TheRevanchist]

I lost IQ simply READING those messages lol.

[AndrahilAdrian]

With the exception of the blatant Deus ex Machina that was Morrigan's out-of-the-blue dark ritual, Dragon Age was the best plotted game I have ever played (backhanded compliments are my specialty ). The characters had depth. The unverse was a good blend of tried and true fantasy tropes and innovation, perticularly the complex relationship between magic and religion. The romantic subplots were actually fleshed out, unlike the elongated hookups of Mass Effect. The main story was very well done, perticularly the political maneuvering (Orzummar and the landsmeet were the best parts of the game). The protagonist could develop an actual personality, beyond just generic good and evil, based on the origin you chose, the choices you make, and the dialogue options you select. So yeah, the OP is onto something.

[Thomas9321]

To be fair, Morrigan's ritual wasn't really a Deus Ex Machina. The timing of it made sense (right before the battle), her reasoning for not telling you about the whole "soul obliteration" deal made sense and the reveal that this is why Flemeth sent her with you was more of a "Ah, I get it. That makes sense!" than a "Lol, how contrived" moment.



I think the whole writing team did a damn good job with Origins. Never before have I seen a better written game. It also had a good cohesion of themes, which is again a mark of good writing. Honestly, the writing was so good in Origins it seems like utter lunacy to be worried about DA2. Mr. Gaider is an excellent writer though, and I fully intend to fly to Canada and propose to him at some point.

[Nerevar-as]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

With the exception of the blatant Deus ex Machina that was Morrigan's out-of-the-blue dark ritual, Dragon Age was the best plotted game I have ever played (backhanded compliments are my specialty ). The characters had depth. The unverse was a good blend of tried and true fantasy tropes and innovation, perticularly the complex relationship between magic and religion. The romantic subplots were actually fleshed out, unlike the elongated hookups of Mass Effect. The main story was very well done, perticularly the political maneuvering (Orzummar and the landsmeet were the best parts of the game). The protagonist could develop an actual personality, beyond just generic good and evil, based on the origin you chose, the choices you make, and the dialogue options you select. So yeah, the OP is onto something.

There were several hints that Morrigan and/or Flemeth had a hidden agenda, not so out of the blue even if you didn´t know the agenda itself. By the way, it was a Deus Sex Machina.

[AndrahilAdrian]

Thomas9321 wrote...

To be fair, Morrigan's ritual wasn't really a Deus Ex Machina. The timing of it made sense (right before the battle), her reasoning for not telling you about the whole "soul obliteration" deal made sense and the reveal that this is why Flemeth sent her with you was more of a "Ah, I get it. That makes sense!" than a "Lol, how contrived" moment.

Yeah, but I offed Flemeth. Why is Morrigan carrying on her mother's master plan to become an old god? And if Morrigan is working with Flemeth in this scheme, why did she get me to kill Flemeth? Is she going to try to possess the child herself? Morrigan didn't strike me as hardcore evil, just ruthless. Possessing her own child would be very out of character. And why does she have to bugger off after the battle? Why can't she stick around and let me raise our son with her? And what kind of dark ritual is this, anyway? It is never explained how Morrigan knew it, or how it fits into DA's established magic system? And why does she bugger off immedietly if you refuse her? Is she so petty that she leaves just before the battle we have been working towards for Maker knows how many months? Morrigan never struck me as petty, so this too was very out of character. In short the whole thing stank of Deus sex machina designed to give the PC a way out of sacrificing themselves for Awakening's sake,  provide a half baked conclusion to the Morrigan romance arc, and dare I say add one more "sex scene" to provide added fanservice before the game's conclusion.

P.S. This rant does not change the fact that Dragon Age had the best video game story and was the best video game of all time, and that Bioware generally kicks ass.

Modifié par AndrahilAdrian, 22 août 2010 - 10:29 .

[Heavenblade]

Nerevar-as wrote...
There were several hints that Morrigan and/or Flemeth had a hidden agenda, not so out of the blue even if you didn´t know the agenda itself. By the way, it was a Deus Sex Machina.

Deus Sex Machina is one of my favorite plot devices.
"Crap, we're screwed! how do we get out of this predicament?"
"With more screwing, of course."
"Brilliant!"

And thus the Nasuverse was born.

[Demx]

So I'm guessing the moderators and people at Bioware are waiting for David to see this before having it locked?

Edit: Nvm, although I am wondering what this has to deal with DA2?

Modifié par Siradix, 22 août 2010 - 10:40 .

[addiction21]

Did you really off Flemeth? Or was it just another one of her many tricks. Really did Flemth ever strike you as the type of character that actually wants you to know what she is up to? Not me
Is it really just Morrigan carrying on her "mothers" plan? Again Flemeth is a long term thinker and was never seemed to worried   about the blight, archdemon, the warden, or what Logahin was up to. Again if you "kill" Flemeth she seems very unworried about you meaning her ill. For some one as old, wise and powerfull as she is that seems a little odd. Those type of characters rarley every take their impending doom so gracefully.
Hardecore evil and ruthless is avery thin line in my opinion. Just saying.
I dunno when I denied helping her with the dark ritual she slinks off like theres something else she really needs to take care off and then in the ending cards there she is again slinking off. No Morrigan never struck me as petty but she never struck me as stupid. Stupid as in sticking around after doing something you allready objected too. Remember in one of her conversations she does admit that she can shapeshift into other humanoids but it requires her to know the person she is shifting into (well enough to imitate them) and "has never felt the need to do it before".
Just playing devils advocate. I have said it before (in other threads). DAO the DLCS and the expansion all felt like we were just getting our toes wet in this universe. Getting intrduces to the lore, races, politics, and characters that seem to have a bigger role in the world then one would first think.

Modifié par addiction21, 22 août 2010 - 10:49 .

[TheMufflon]

I hate it when people use the word 'epic' as just another synonym for 'very good'.

[Morroian]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

Yeah, but I offed Flemeth. Why is Morrigan carrying on her mother's master plan to become an old god? 

Cause from her POV preserving the untainted soul of an old god is a good thing even if she's not doing it for evil reasons.