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[MaaZeus]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

If we are talking nukes as in Fission/Fusion weapons, as long as it is in space, why not. Space is already mere radiating as nuke could contribute. Other WMD effective would Anti-Matter Warheads (mentioned on Noveria), though I reckon those are only small dimension, high output weapons as they are extremely difficult to manufacture and maintain. Even with the use of Eezo! Guess Noveria did use them for effectively blasting away any biological/chemical threat in a small radius.
Btw, the way this woud make a great way to get rid of unneeded stockpiles. Though I think there would be better suited weapons at hands, as WMDs are pretty inefficient weapons, their only real striking feature is the panic-factor, but I don't think the Reapers to be very responsive to such attempts.

nova bombs from andromeda = awesome... 

*thumbs up*

[Renaikan]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

You guys just don't seem to get it. The Reapers have everyone right where they want them. They have set a pre determined course for all the Galaxy to take. Any tech that we have to use against them will fail, big time. It took the entire Council Fleet to take out ONE Reaper. How do you expect to take out millions of them? The best Shep and the rest of the Galaxy can do is prolong the inevitable, or pray for a miracle.

..or expose their weakness. Everyone and everything has at least one.

We are outmanned and outgunned. Even if we do find a weakness, I highly doubt we have enough resources to stop them.

there are probably 20 qaudrillion known people of the universe... i doubt if they're outgunned. there were probably more protheans than reapers... the protehans were caught off guard... 

Yeah lots of people but not as many ships to combat them. Like I said earlier it took most of the fleet to take out Souvereign.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

MaaZeus wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

If we are talking nukes as in Fission/Fusion weapons, as long as it is in space, why not. Space is already mere radiating as nuke could contribute. Other WMD effective would Anti-Matter Warheads (mentioned on Noveria), though I reckon those are only small dimension, high output weapons as they are extremely difficult to manufacture and maintain. Even with the use of Eezo! Guess Noveria did use them for effectively blasting away any biological/chemical threat in a small radius.
Btw, the way this woud make a great way to get rid of unneeded stockpiles. Though I think there would be better suited weapons at hands, as WMDs are pretty inefficient weapons, their only real striking feature is the panic-factor, but I don't think the Reapers to be very responsive to such attempts.

nova bombs from andromeda = awesome... 

*thumbs up*

i think they're bombs of dark energy though... probably like a nuclear bomb yet opposite... like a cold fusion bomb or somethingB)

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Renaikan wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

You guys just don't seem to get it. The Reapers have everyone right where they want them. They have set a pre determined course for all the Galaxy to take. Any tech that we have to use against them will fail, big time. It took the entire Council Fleet to take out ONE Reaper. How do you expect to take out millions of them? The best Shep and the rest of the Galaxy can do is prolong the inevitable, or pray for a miracle.

..or expose their weakness. Everyone and everything has at least one.

We are outmanned and outgunned. Even if we do find a weakness, I highly doubt we have enough resources to stop them.

there are probably 20 qaudrillion known people of the universe... i doubt if they're outgunned. there were probably more protheans than reapers... the protehans were caught off guard... 

Yeah lots of people but not as many ships to combat them. Like I said earlier it took most of the fleet to take out Souvereign.

there's probably millions of reapers, yet over qaudrillion (HUGE number) amounts of combined people in the known contacted universe... like what shephard said in mass effect 1... "if the galaxy, or universe of people/races unite, they can fight the reapers with no problem" type of speech... 

say if they're 10, 000, 000 reapers (huge force), and 20, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000 people (from the milky way to andromeda, messier, whatever)... who has a greater odd of winning if they can organize a plan and all?

20, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000 (Intergalactic Government)  vs 10, 000, 000 (reapers)... the reapers prey on cluelessness (Protheans, even though they're were extremely intelligent), ignorance (Council), and stupidity (disorganization)... 

the protheans were all unsuspecting of any threat of the reapers (didn't even know they exist).... there's was probably more protheans than reapers (i don't even think reapers outnumber the amount of planets in a galaxy, there must be alot of planets in galaxies in order to have civilizations and all)

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 22 août 2010 - 11:51 .

[Renaikan]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

You guys just don't seem to get it. The Reapers have everyone right where they want them. They have set a pre determined course for all the Galaxy to take. Any tech that we have to use against them will fail, big time. It took the entire Council Fleet to take out ONE Reaper. How do you expect to take out millions of them? The best Shep and the rest of the Galaxy can do is prolong the inevitable, or pray for a miracle.

..or expose their weakness. Everyone and everything has at least one.

We are outmanned and outgunned. Even if we do find a weakness, I highly doubt we have enough resources to stop them.

there are probably 20 qaudrillion known people of the universe... i doubt if they're outgunned. there were probably more protheans than reapers... the protehans were caught off guard... 

Yeah lots of people but not as many ships to combat them. Like I said earlier it took most of the fleet to take out Souvereign.

there's probably millions of reapers, yet over qaudrillion (HUGE number) amounts of combined people in the known contacted universe... like what shephard said in mass effect 1... "if the galaxy, or universe of people/races unite, they can fight the reapers with no problem" type of speech... 

say if they're 10, 000, 000 reapers (huge force), and 20, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000 people (from the milky way to andromeda, messier, whatever)... who has a greater odd of winning if they can organize a plan and all?

20, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000 (Intergalactic Government)  vs 10, 000, 000 (reapers)... the reapers prey on cluelessness (Protheans, even though they're were extremely intelligent), ignorance (Council), and stupidity (disorganization)... 

the protheans were all unsuspecting of any threat of the reapers (didn't even know they exist).... there's was probably more protheans than reapers (i don't even think reapers outnumber the amount of planets in a galaxy, there must be alot of planets in galaxies in order to have civilizations and all)

With the Council pretty much denying the Reapers even exist, how in the world would you even get the attention of all these non council species in time? The Protheans tried the same thing 50K years ago, and failed. Reapers will swoop in and take control of the Citadal and Mass Relays. Cutting off all our communication and transportation through out the Galaxy.  Anyway you look at it, we are screwed.

Modifié par Renaikan, 22 août 2010 - 12:06 .

[Count Viceroy]

I really doubt we can out gun the reapers. They be machines. I'm thinkin virus. Probably see something like Independence day, With Shepard and gang doing the Will smith.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 22 août 2010 - 12:12 .

[Renaikan]

Count Viceroy wrote...

I really doubt we can out gun the reapers. They be machines. I'm thinkin virus. Probably see something like Independence day, With Shepard and gang doing the Will smith.

Yeah most likely. The easy way out. Not the way I want to see it end. Kind of lame if you think about it. I sure hope to God there isn't some mother Reaper that controls the entire Reaper Race.  I think the Prothean Beacon and disks have the answer to, at bes,t set them back. No way should Bioware allow the Reapers to be destroyed. They are Gods, existed before time itself, and we are like cattle and sheep to them.

Modifié par Renaikan, 22 août 2010 - 01:07 .

[JohnnyBeGood2]

I was thinking that mass production of said wmd / gamma bombs etc should be undertaken.

That they should be deployed as missilles through the relays etc and through manned "no return" attack groups.... with like huge numbers of warheads

[Jigero]

One problem Nukes don't really do much of anything in space, besides look pretty. Nukes are destructive because of their High Heat and Concussive force both which is pretty much meaning less in space and I highly doubt the radiation would even remotely effect reapers. Why do you think we wouldn't even use nukes to intercept asteroids? it would be pointless.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Reapers' GARDIAN lasers would probgably make short work of any attempt at "conventional" nuking, and the kinetic barriers are blocking jsut that: kinetic force. IIRC the reason most WMD are banned in the ME universe is not because of the damage it causes directly, but the indirect damage such weapons cause to enviroments on planets.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Reapers' GARDIAN lasers would probgably make short work of any attempt at "conventional" nuking, and the kinetic barriers are blocking jsut that: kinetic force. IIRC the reason most WMD are banned in the ME universe is not because of the damage it causes directly, but the indirect damage such weapons cause to enviroments on planets.

yes, my thought is that some pretty big wmd spreads (many warheads, tens of thousands at once) would be needed to get through the anti missille systems and barriers.

That approach should be undertaken

Because Reapers are so high on the threat matrix, that wmds should be used despite potential environmental damage.

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 22 août 2010 - 04:37 .

[snfonseka]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

I'm assuming there is united agreement on this because the Reaper threat is like Defcon 1 [edited] (or whatever the highest threat level is).

I also advocate "no return" engagements with nuclear weapons. I personally don't believe's it advisable or beneficial to make every engagement no return but I think the Citadel races should be prepared for "no return" engagements when using nukes.

couple of notes:
1. when i say "nukes" i mean whatever is the "wmd of the day" in Citadel space.
2. when i say "no return" engagements i mean that the nukes are timed to go off during the engagement and will do so within the engagement window... this to protect against indoctrination or countermeasures etc. from the Reapers. Basically the nukes will blow and objective is to either deliver them to the Reapers or abandon ship if thats not possible.
3. Basically if anyones coming out of that engagement it's in a life raft

Anyone disagree?

I prefer huge antimatter weapons than nukes (bombs, missiles... whatever)

Edit: Pound of antimatter is equivalent to around 19 megatons of TNT ...

Modifié par snfonseka, 22 août 2010 - 06:59 .

[Spectreshadow]

Anyone else we could be blowing up some stars in ME3? After the whole Haestroms star thing it wouldn't surprise me. Either way I think the galaxy is gonna be pretty wreaked after this war is over.

[hamtyl07]

simply put a nuke solves all look at WWII a couple nukes shut them up

[Clover Rider]

hamtyl07 wrote...

simply put a nuke solves all look at WWII a couple nukes shut them up

[hamtyl07]

Some Geth wrote...

hamtyl07 wrote...

simply put a nuke solves all look at WWII a couple nukes shut them up

japan

[Solaris Paradox]

I find it unlikely that a nuclear weapon would be especially effective against a fleet of starships. It's also conceivable that their kinetic barriers might be powerful enough to either protect them or blunt the force of the blast so as to keep them alive and whole. That being said, the number of Reapers in the fleet probably means they fly off in squads of three or four at a time and all wreak havoc in a whole lot of different places, making the use of nuclear weapons a very bad idea.

[Clover Rider]

hamtyl07 wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

hamtyl07 wrote...

simply put a nuke solves all look at WWII a couple nukes shut them up

japan

I know it's just the way you said it <_<.

[hamtyl07]

Solaris Paradox wrote...

I find it unlikely that a nuclear weapon would be especially effective against a fleet of starships. It's also conceivable that their kinetic barriers might be powerful enough to either protect them or blunt the force of the blast so as to keep them alive and whole. That being said, the number of Reapers in the fleet probably means they fly off in squads of three or four at a time and all wreak havoc in a whole lot of different places, making the use of nuclear weapons a very bad idea.

well if you start bobarding them with nukes it may work just throw one after another at them

[didymos1120]

hamtyl07 wrote...

simply put a nuke solves all look at WWII a couple nukes shut them up

Well, ignoring the debate about whether the bombs were truly war-enders, the only reason they stood a chance of accomplishing that at all was because of the massive losses inflicted upon Imperial Japan over long and bloody years of war.  Their fleet was trashed, their air power reduced to near nothing, they'd lost nearly all the territory they'd gained early on, their industrial capacity was wrecked, their access to critical resources choked off, etc., etc, etc.  If those two nukes had been dropped a few years earlier, however, you can be damn sure the war in the Pacific would not have ended right then and there. 

[Cheese Elemental]

hamtyl07 wrote...
simply put a nuke solves all look at WWII a couple nukes shut them up

I don't think you understand just how horrible nukes are.

Please go read the accounts of Hiroshima/Nagasaki survivors, and then you'll understand why only two have ever been used.

[smudboy]

hamtyl07 wrote...

simply put a nuke solves all look at WWII a couple nukes shut them up

Although I understand the principles of Shock and Awe, nuking Japan wasn't necessary.

Reapers?  I'd imagine there'd be better things than nukes.  Like, launching a nuke from a mass accelerator.

[Cheese Elemental]

smudboy wrote...

hamtyl07 wrote...

simply put a nuke solves all look at WWII a couple nukes shut them up

Although I understand the principles of Shock and Awe, nuking Japan wasn't necessary.

Reapers?  I'd imagine there'd be better things than nukes.  Like, launching a nuke from a mass accelerator.

I always figured countering the Reapers' defences would involve the 'Klendagon Weapon'. I might just be reading into the background too much, but it's something to consider.

[Count Viceroy]

Nukes in space? pointless. There's no atmosphere, ie no shockwave or heatwave. Only thing you're left with is the kinetic force itself, and then you're better with a solid metal ball, which is a normal mass accelerator.