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[didymos1120]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Nukes in space? pointless. 

I wouldn't go so far as "pointless".  Just of much more limited use.   The unattenuated neutron, x-ray and gamma radiation could be quite useful in certain circumstances.   And, if you could come up with some sort of "hull-penetrator" warhead, their usefulness would climb pretty far back up (assuming there aren't cheaper alternatives to achieve the same general results).

[Count Viceroy]

There's plenty of passive radiation in space as it is, I doubt the reapers would have issues with it. And Hull penetrators are still subject to the kinetic barriers.From what we've been shown once you get through them with conventional weapons, a target of that size is usually toast anyway. Reapers are not small and nimble after all.

What you want, is energy weapons, Barriers don't do squat against them. Either try and make an offensive version of the GARDIAN systems, or make a weaponised version of the Batarians mirror array.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 23 août 2010 - 02:02 .

[KainrycKarr]

Shepard: Councilors, Illusive Man, thank you meeting me on such short notice. I just finished watching "Independence Day". Ladies and Gentlemen, I have a plan.

[snfonseka]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

[snip]
Edit: Pound of antimatter is equivalent to around 19 megatons of TNT ...

Have fun mproducing that amount! I am sure once the Reapers dealt with any resistance, they might come and help you out

Err... well thats an issue according to the current technology.... let us hope that it is not the case in the future...

[didymos1120]

Count Viceroy wrote...

There's plenty of passive radiation in space as it is, I doubt the reapers would have issues with it.

I'm not talking about against the Reapers.  I'm just saying there could be ways to make good use of nukes in space warfare in general, not space warfare in the ME setting specifically. 

[Sajuro]

How to Defeat the reapers? Three Words: Sir.Issac.Newton.

[Esbatty]

How about Good-Guy-Geth piloted kamikazi bomb ships that have miniature Thanix Cannons on the front of them? They shoot the ships, weaken the hulls, then plow the reapers and a'splode.

[Killjoy Cutter]

For anyone who doesn't understand, a fission or fusion detonation in vacuum is far from harmless. The hard radiation pulse that superheats the air during an atmospheric detonation is instead the primary dangerous effect of a detonation in space. Nasty stuff.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Salvos of nuclear missiles followed by the main batteries of all of ships the citadel races can muster. Now just need to find a way to get the geth (robots) or quarians (really lousy ships but plenty of them) to soak up enemy fire.



Didn't the information of the Thanix cannon say it could be mounted on a fighter? Load up some carriers with fighters armed with that!

[Nuke the site from Orbit]

Using nuclear weapons against Reapers? Its the only way to be sure.

[Kavadas]

There's a really great episode of History Channels The Universe entitled "Space Wars". Season 4, Episode 8.

There are some really interesting weapon concepts in there.

That said, that upgraded Thannix cannon made pretty short work of the collector vessel in ME2. Clearly that's a technological avenue which needs to be furthered and expanded.

Modifié par Kavadas, 23 août 2010 - 06:08 .

[fongiel24]

Cheese Elemental wrote...

hamtyl07 wrote...
simply put a nuke solves all look at WWII a couple nukes shut them up

I don't think you understand just how horrible nukes are.

Please go read the accounts of Hiroshima/Nagasaki survivors, and then you'll understand why only two have ever been used.

The United States only used two nuclear weapons on Japan because they only had two ready for immediate use. At the time every single nuclear device the United States constructed had to basically be handmade. Even after Hiroshima and Nagasaki the Japanese surrender wasn't necessarily a done deal - only the Emperor's personal intervention broke a tie in the cabinet. We also can't disregard the influence the Soviet declaration of war against Japan had on the Japanese leadership. I've read some accounts that state it was the Soviets that were the determining factor in convincing the Japanese to throw in the towel, not the nuclear bombings.

As for using actual nuclear weapons on the Reapers, I don't really see the point. The Alliance drill sergeant on the Citadel states that the force of a dreadnought shell hitting its target already puts out the equivalent of several WWII-era nuclear devices.

Remember, on the derelict Reaper EDI informs Shepard that Reaper shields can stop dreadnought fire. This is clearly shown in the Battle of the Citadel when the Citadel fleet had multiple dreadnoughts firing on Sovereign and couldn't even make a dent until Shepard took down Saren, stunning Sovereign and bringing down its shields. If Saren kills Shepard, I think there would have been a pretty good chance Sovereign wipes the floor with the Citadel fleet AND the Alliance, all without breaking a sweat. 

[MadCat221]

Use the Citadel Key to screw with the IFF systems on the mass relays to block the Reapres out. They have to take the long way, and are energy-depleted and rather laden with drive charge everywhere they go (IE: they're winded and really have to pee).

[MadCat221]

fongiel24 wrote...

As for using actual nuclear weapons on the Reapers, I don't really see the point. The Alliance drill sergeant on the Citadel states that the force of a dreadnought shell hitting its target already puts out the equivalent of several WWII-era nuclear devices.

38kt bombs (the equivilant strength of a human dreadnaught main gun) are firecrackers compared to the big'uns, even today.

[Super ._. Shepard]

if they do need a nuke then call in master chef to arm in

[poisonoustea]

Huh!? You intend to distract the Reapers via doing a nice cooking show or what?

Do the cooking by the book... it's the only way to be sure.



I'd love to shoot a bunch of Dark Energy nukes at warp speed through the Mass Relays.

[JGDD]

It's painfully clear that nukes (in the classic sense) are a mostly useless tool for warfare against reapers.



Here's something to chew on:



In the first game a planet was scanned that bore a scar of incredible proportions from a glancing blow by a mass accelerator weapon. The target was the derelict reaper in a neighboring system. Think about this for a second...the round passed through the reaper and continued on for literally light years until it hit the planet. No amount of nuke boom has that kind of energy.



Also worth mentioning - it didn't save the species that created the weapon.

[poisonoustea]

Mass Relays can not be weaponized for various reasons I gave up to explain. Read the codex and think about who controls the Mass Relays, then you'll know!

Will do - I never imagined this had already been discussed about

[snfonseka]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Super ._. Shepard wrote...

if they do need a nuke then call in master chef to arm in

Huh!? You intend to distract the Reapers via doing a nice cooking show or what?

He meant Master Chief... not master chef... I think ...

Modifié par snfonseka, 23 août 2010 - 12:38 .

[Moiaussi]

Nukes are a primitive weapon. If it was that easy, the Protheans would likely have been a lot better at fighting back against the Reapers.

Consider that the Collector base holds up just fine in the very high radiation environment of the galactic core. Just because radiation shouldn't be affected by kinetic barriers does not mean that ships (and especially reapers) are not radiation shielded.

Modifié par Moiaussi, 23 août 2010 - 03:07 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Moiaussi wrote...

Nukes are a primitive weapon. If it was that easy, the Protheans would likely have been a lot better at fighting back against the Reapers.

Consider that the Collector base holds up just fine in the very high radiation environment of the galactic core. Just because radiation shouldn't be affected by kinetic barriers does not mean that ships (and especially reapers) are not radiation shielded.

On the other hand, properly constructed nukes could perhaps be the anti-Reaper version of Kasumi's flashbang grenade... not lethal in most instances, but blinding and deafening.  That's a big pulse of energy.  And in the Mass Effect setting, with the added technology available, nuclear devices could be constructed that make Tsar Bomba look like a hand grenade.