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[Acero Azul]

 Well you could send her into the tubes instead of a tech im sure she would probably die there no?

[Elyvern]

Nice try. But she isn't available as a tech option.

Modifié par Elyvern, 22 août 2010 - 11:19 .

[Habelo]

ShadoX_LV wrote...

Marzillius wrote...

Why do you want to kill Miranda? She is one of the most useful squadmembers with her health (and damage?) buff.

I simply don't like her character.. The first thing she does when you meet her is to kill some guy.. yeah, he was a bad guy but so what? Sure I got used to her over the course of those 40 hours, but I simply find it silly that killing her is actually harder then saving her.. (suicide mission... anyone?)

I just foudn it stupid that BW made her so special, why not treat all the squad the same way? Just because you have plans for her? 

intelligent people do not think killing is wrong.

[IanPolaris]

Miranda definately has plot-armor, but she has it so she can give you directions during the suicide mission. What makes it painfully obvious is you can not choose her to be the techie or escort either. What makes it really, really painfully obvious is if you hack the conversation files, you will find that Miranda and only Miranda has lines directing Shepard during the suicide mission.



Miranda can not die (no matter how hard you try) until the very last part of the suicide mission, Then she can die as easily as anyone else. Bioware was too cheap to have other voice actors do the direction lines.



-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Elyvern wrote...

Nice try. But she isn't available as a tech option.

Which is strong evidence that she has plot armor since given her technical skills, she should be.  After all, Mordin is a tech option and so is Jacob.....

-Polaris

[ForumHelper]

I have a save with only Miranda dead. It's possible to kill her and not lose anyone else. She wasn't loyal when I played.

Modifié par SarKter, 22 août 2010 - 11:45 .

[Elyvern]

SarKter wrote...

I have a save with only Miranda dead. It's possible to kill her and not lose anyone else. She wasn't loyal when I played.

Yes, but chances are very low that you'd accidentally kill her off. Every other squadmate is more likely to die from uninformed decisions than Miranda.

[IanPolaris]

Elyvern wrote...

SarKter wrote...

I have a save with only Miranda dead. It's possible to kill her and not lose anyone else. She wasn't loyal when I played.

Yes, but chances are very low that you'd accidentally kill her off. Every other squadmate is more likely to die from uninformed decisions than Miranda.

True and more to the point, the only two ways of doing this are:

1) If Miranda is disloyal and goes with you to the final mission.

2) Miranda gets gibbed as part of "Hold the Line" (and that is very unlikely even if she is disloyal)

-Polaris

[JohnnyBeGood2]

IanPolaris wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

SarKter wrote...

I have a save with only Miranda dead. It's possible to kill her and not lose anyone else. She wasn't loyal when I played.

Yes, but chances are very low that you'd accidentally kill her off. Every other squadmate is more likely to die from uninformed decisions than Miranda.

True and more to the point, the only two ways of doing this are:

1) If Miranda is disloyal and goes with you to the final mission.

2) Miranda gets gibbed as part of "Hold the Line" (and that is very unlikely even if she is disloyal)

-Polaris

miri will be upset and switch to disloyal... due to her showdown with Jack.

If you do all the loyalty missions ( which most people want to ) she will be the only disloyal at siucide mission time.

Not that I encourage it, but if you assign her wrongly she will buy dr death.

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 22 août 2010 - 02:38 .

[PsyrenY]

IanPolaris wrote...

Which is strong evidence that she has plot armor since given her technical skills, she should be.  After all, Mordin is a tech option and so is Jacob.....

-Polaris

She's not available because she knows she isn't good enough, and all but says so straight out. So she is the only one Shepard can be sure isn't, even if he knows jack about the rest of the crew's abilities.

Can't you lose her during the long walk? I forget exactly how to ensure who gets carried off once you pick a bad biotic to make the bubble. (Not her, of course.)

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 22 août 2010 - 02:32 .

[snfonseka]

ShadoX_LV wrote...

Am I the only one who seems to think that BW loves Miranda or wants her to be in the third game? Because the only way to kill her would either to lose half/all of your squad or by trying this:
www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/944907-mass-effect-2/answers

I haven't tried  that, but I still find it stupid that BW wants her to survive.. heck, why is it harder to kill of a specific character then actually saving them? After all its called a suicide mission..

The first thing I wanted to do when I first was playing the last mission of the game, was to send Miranda into the ventilation shaft,, but no, appearenly shes the only character that you can't chose for no reason what so ever.. And its not like she couldn't do the job, because the game allowes you to send in pretty much every other single character even if the job doesn't fit them..

If simply said, yiu can easily kill Miranda by selecting her (non loyal Miranda) as one of your final squad mate and you can keep the rest of the team alive.... whats the fuss about it?

[Ieldra]

You can't lose Miranda during the long walk. If Miranda is in your squad, it's always the other one who will die. It's a nice way to control who dies there, if you want anyone specific to die except her.

As for holding the line, due to the numbers (check Ecael's pinned suicide mission guide), Miranda cannot die there if she is loyal. Because for the score to be low enough for anyone to die there, there either need to be several team members higher on the death list than Miranda holding the line with her, who would die first, or some of those lower on the death list would have to be unloyal, in which case they'd die before Miranda. For non-loyal Miranda to die holding the line, other deaths are a requirement, particularly of those four higher on the death list. So, events have to be very carefully orchestrated. Easier to take her with you to the final boss. And yes, that means that loyal Miranda absolutely cannot die in the suicide mission.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 août 2010 - 03:09 .

[Elyvern]

Optimystic_X wrote...

She's not available because she knows she isn't good enough, and all but says so straight out. So she is the only one Shepard can be sure isn't, even if he knows jack about the rest of the crew's abilities.

Can't you lose her during the long walk? I forget exactly how to ensure who gets carried off once you pick a bad biotic to make the bubble. (Not her, of course.)

Nope, it's the most hilarious and darnest thing. Even if she's not loyal AND gets carried away by seeker swarms, she'll miraculously appear by your side again at the end of that sequence. I keep thinking...if BW lets such a giant plothole get through, it's entirely possible if she dies in your game, she could still appear in ME3.

Miranda = Mastering Miraculously Resurrections Since 2183.

[Shadow_broker]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You can't lose Miranda during the long walk. If Miranda is in your squad, it's always the other one who will die. It's a nice way to control who dies there, if you want anyone specific to die except her.

As for holding the line, due to the numbers (check Ecael's pinned suicide mission guide), Miranda cannot die there if she is loyal. Because for the score to be low enough for anyone to die there, there either need to be several team members higher on the death list than Miranda holding the line with her, who would die first, or some of those lower on the death list would have to be unloyal, in which case they'd die before Miranda. For non-loyal Miranda to die holding the line, other deaths are a requirement, particularly of those four higher on the death list. So, events have to be very carefully orchestrated. Easier to take her with you to the final boss. And yes, that means that loyal Miranda absolutely cannot die in the suicide mission.

Awesome

Was just watching her fight for the lost trailer, friggin awesome totally fits her whole being unkillable thing.

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

She's not available because she knows she isn't good enough, and all but says so straight out. So she is the only one Shepard can be sure isn't, even if he knows jack about the rest of the crew's abilities.

Can't you lose her during the long walk? I forget exactly how to ensure who gets carried off once you pick a bad biotic to make the bubble. (Not her, of course.)

Nope, it's the most hilarious and darnest thing. Even if she's not loyal AND gets carried away by seeker swarms, she'll miraculously appear by your side again at the end of that sequence. I keep thinking...if BW lets such a giant plothole get through, it's entirely possible if she dies in your game, she could still appear in ME3.

Miranda = Mastering Miraculously Resurrections Since 2183.

Have you seen this? Ecael seems to think that she'll never be carried away by the swarm in the first place. It's always the other team member. And my own experiences seem to support that - I've had several games where I depended on that to let someone specific die, taking Miranda plus the death candidate with me through the swarm, and never once was Miranda carried away.

Having said that, since you don't see the swarm victims die, it's implausible, but not completely impossible that they survive and come back. I wouldn't put it past, say, Samara.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 août 2010 - 03:19 .

[Shadow_broker]

Elyvern wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

She's not available because she knows she isn't good enough, and all but says so straight out. So she is the only one Shepard can be sure isn't, even if he knows jack about the rest of the crew's abilities.

Can't you lose her during the long walk? I forget exactly how to ensure who gets carried off once you pick a bad biotic to make the bubble. (Not her, of course.)

Nope, it's the most hilarious and darnest thing. Even if she's not loyal AND gets carried away by seeker swarms, she'll miraculously appear by your side again at the end of that sequence. I keep thinking...if BW lets such a giant plothole get through, it's entirely possible if she dies in your game, she could still appear in ME3.

Miranda = Mastering Miraculously Resurrections Since 2183.

She won;t get carried by the seeker swarms, it will always be the other person

[Melra]

As long as she does appear in ME3, it's all just win win for me! Hey, I have to suffer Tali, because I am cruel enough person to kill her. I might beat her up, but killing isn't just my thing, unless it's Jack..

[Elyvern]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Have you seen this? Ecael seems to think that she'll never be carried away by the swarm in the first place. It's always the other team member. And my own experiences seem to support that - I've had several games where I depended on that to let someone specific die, taking Miranda plus the death candidate with me through the swarm, and never once was Miranda carried away.

Check out this vid:

Interestingly enough, she's the only one whose name Shepard doesn't call out; I'm guessing she isn't meant to be carried away. I'd love to find out how the author achieved that though.

[Count Viceroy]

Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Have you seen this? Ecael seems to think that she'll never be carried away by the swarm in the first place. It's always the other team member. And my own experiences seem to support that - I've had several games where I depended on that to let someone specific die, taking Miranda plus the death candidate with me through the swarm, and never once was Miranda carried away.

Check out this vid:

Interestingly enough, she's the only one whose name Shepard doesn't call out; I'm guessing she isn't meant to be carried away. I'd love to find out how the author achieved that though.

Ofcourse not, there's only audio files with miranda giving you orders. Hence why she isnt able to die until the very last bit.

[Ieldra]

Elyvern wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Have you seen this? Ecael seems to think that she'll never be carried away by the swarm in the first place. It's always the other team member. And my own experiences seem to support that - I've had several games where I depended on that to let someone specific die, taking Miranda plus the death candidate with me through the swarm, and never once was Miranda carried away.

Check out this vid:

Interestingly enough, she's the only one whose name Shepard doesn't call out; I'm guessing she isn't meant to be carried away. I'd love to find out how the author achieved that though.

A very simple matter of programming, if you ask me. Shouldn't be more than one additional line of code.

[IanPolaris]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

If you do all the loyalty missions ( which most people want to ) she will be the only disloyal at siucide mission time.

Not that I encourage it, but if you assign her wrongly she will buy dr death.

That's not so.  Miranda is the only character that even if you assign her incorrectly, can not die at least not until the final scene.  (Btw, Iedra, a disloyal Miranda can die in hold-the-line if there are no 'defenders' left and she is only one of two people with a net hold-the-line score of less than 1 I beleive, but you're right that it requires a completely wipe-out of the defense team.  You're also right that it's far easier to take a disloyal Miranda with you if you want to kill her).

Even if Miranda is carried away by seeker swarms, she will miraculously reappear as though nothing bad had happened at the end of the scene.

Definately plot-armor.

-Polaris

Edit:  The Seeker-swarm thing on the long walk has been captured on You-Tube.

Modifié par IanPolaris, 22 août 2010 - 05:02 .

[Ieldra]

IanPolaris wrote...
Btw, Iedra, a disloyal Miranda can die in hold-the-line if there are no 'defenders' left and she is only one of two people with a net hold-the-line score of less than 1 I beleive, but you're right that it requires a completely wipe-out of the defense team.

Non-loyal Miranda has a hold-the-line score of 1. If you put her together with several loyal 2-pointers (Legion, Samara, Thane, Jacob), everyone with lower scores is loyal and you don't have Garrus, Zaeed or Grunt in the hold-the-line group, then Miranda will die because non-loyals die first, possibly with one other team member, but everyone else of the hold-the-line group will survive. All according to the numbers in Ecael's guide.

BTW, I didn't say it required a complete wipe out. Only that some others will have to die in order to push the hold-the-line score below 2. But I may be wrong - it may be enough to not recruit Zaeed and take Grunt and Garrus with you to the final boss.

But of course I'll never do that. Killing any team member on the suicide mission is hard enough and I don't like to do it. Killing Miranda isn't something I can do. Maybe for a test, but I'd throw that saved game away immediately and replay the whole thing.  

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 août 2010 - 06:01 .

[primero holodon]

If you want Miranda to die all you have to do is make sure she isn't loyal then take her with you to the final boss fight. she'll die when the platform collapses

[IanPolaris]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Non-loyal Miranda has a hold-the-line score of 1. If you put her together with several loyal 2-pointers (Legion, Samara, Thane, Jacob), everyone with lower scores is loyal and you don't have Garrus, Zaeed or Grunt in the hold-the-line group, then Miranda will die because non-loyals die first, possibly with one other team member, but everyone else of the hold-the-line group will survive. All according to the numbers in Ecael's guide.

BTW, I didn't say it required a complete wipe out. Only that some others will have to die in order to push the hold-the-line score below 2. But I may be wrong - it may be enough to not recruit Zaeed and take Grunt and Garrus with you to the final boss.

But of course I'll never do that. Killing any team member on the suicide mission is hard enough and I don't like to do it. Killing Miranda isn't something I can do. Maybe for a test, but I'd throw that saved game away immediately and replay the whole thing.  

I don't like killing off people either in the suicide mission except for game-testing purposes.  To me that is counter to the intent of the game, and perhaps I misunderstood you.  My only point was that while difficult, it wasn't all that difficult to insure that Miranda would die on "Hold the Line" especially disloyal but even if loyal (you can insure the death or absence of Garrus, Zaeed, Grunt, and Samara as well as Thane, Jacob, Kasumi, and Jack all by this point) .  With those kinds of holes, Miranda probably does die in hold-the-line, loyal or not.

Of course the fool-proof way to do it is take a disloyal Miranda with you to the final confrontration.

Like I said earlier, all this is really an intellectual exercise.  The real point is Bioware has indeed given MIranada impervious plot-armor all the way up until the very end of the Suicide mission.

-Polaris

[ShadoX_LV]

Wow... simply wow.. How could BW screw that one up? Not even a scream from Miranda when she dies and comes back.. (X_X)