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[ThatDancingTurian]

Chaos-fusion wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

yeah i do. there is no real reason beside fan service for those ME 1 fans. 

Ironic that you say that in defence of Miranda, who was almost entirely fanservice.

This. She seems to be roughly 20% plot and 80% pin-up cover girl.

I find it funny that most of the haters assume BioWare's decision to include Garrus and Tali wasn't affected at all by any affection or creative direction they might have for their characters. BioWare is exceptionally tuned into their fanbase, but I've never met an artist (or business) that has made decisions based purely on outside responses.

@ExtremeOne: So, Miranda shouldn't be in ME3 because that would be appealing to her fanbase, is that what you're saying?

PS: For the record, I liked Miranda. I liked almost everyone from both games. Just think this "People who don't like what I like are stupid!" stuff is ridiculous.

[Onyx Jaguar]

You know what doesn't have a place in Mass Effect 2?



Tetris



Yet it should have a place in Mass Effect 2

[ExtremeOne]

Count Viceroy wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

yeah i do. there is no real reason beside fan service for those ME 1 fans. 

How is fan service a bad thing mind you? Sure the character obviously isnt up your alley, but it's still an example of a company doing the majority of their followers a favor by including popular characters. 

You'd rather have bioware go: No, lets not include a popular character that would make our game sell better and and the same time do the fans a favor, lets take our chances with something unknown that may or may not be better.


 

  


I never was implying that fan service is bad but  there are other ways of doing fan service than basically forcing 2 fan favorites from ME 1 into ME 2 for no real story reason beside fan service. Oh and what makes it even worse is they were basically forced to be squad members. Liara is the only one from ME 1 that has some connection to the ME 2 story. so I have no problem with her being in the game at all. 

[Onyx Jaguar]

PS: For the record, I liked Miranda. I liked almost everyone from both games. Just think this "People who don't like what I like are stupid!" stuff is ridiculous.

But not liking Tetris is stupid

[Count Viceroy]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
 Just think this "People who don't like what I like are stupid!" stuff is ridiculous.

Isnt that the primary function of the internet these days? 

[Count Viceroy]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I never was implying that fan service is bad but  there are other ways of doing fan service than basically forcing 2 fan favorites from ME 1 into ME 2 for no real story reason beside fan service. Oh and what makes it even worse is they were basically forced to be squad members. Liara is the only one from ME 1 that has some connection to the ME 2 story. so I have no problem with her being in the game at all. 

The only issue here is that you don't like the characters in question, nothing else. And because you don't like it no one else should have it either, despite you obviously being a minority in this matter. They were popular for a reason. Makes all the sense in the world to bring them back again.

You're just being selfish.

[ExtremeOne]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Chaos-fusion wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

yeah i do. there is no real reason beside fan service for those ME 1 fans. 

Ironic that you say that in defence of Miranda, who was almost entirely fanservice.

This. She seems to be roughly 20% plot and 80% pin-up cover girl.

I find it funny that most of the haters assume BioWare's decision to include Garrus and Tali wasn't affected at all by any affection or creative direction they might have for their characters. BioWare is exceptionally tuned into their fanbase, but I've never met an artist (or business) that has made decisions based purely on outside responses.

@ExtremeOne: So, Miranda shouldn't be in ME3 because that would be appealing to her fanbase, is that what you're saying?

PS: For the record, I liked Miranda. I liked almost everyone from both games. Just think this "People who don't like what I like are stupid!" stuff is ridiculous.

  



Bioware already proved they will do what ever the Mass Effect 1 fans want them to do so why not do the same for us Mass Effect 2 fans. Miranda deserves to be in Mass Effect 3 and the reason why is she the one who brought Shepard back so yeah she is in a way a huge part of Shepard's life now. 

[Chaos-fusion]

Lizardviking wrote...

To be fair. She's part of an
important sub-plot and have some relevance to the main-plot, so atleast
she has some justification for being in the game.

Can't say that
to some other squadmembers though.

True, she did. That doesn't mean she has to run around in sci-fi lycra.

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I find it funny that most of the haters assume BioWare's decision to include Garrus and Tali wasn't affected at all by any affection or creative direction they might have for their characters. BioWare is exceptionally tuned into their fanbase, but I've never met an artist (or business) that has made decisions based purely on outside responses.

I agree. But Tali did come across as much more of a damsel in distress in ME2 than in the first.

But no matter, I like them all, and want them all to recieve the same ammount of attention equally in ME3. Regardless of if they were party members in both, new to ME2, or almost completely forgotten about (I'm looking at you, ME1 romances).

Modifié par Chaos-fusion, 24 août 2010 - 11:12 .

[Count Viceroy]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Bioware already proved they will do what ever the Mass Effect 1 fans want them to do so why not do the same for us Mass Effect 2 fans. Miranda deserves to be in Mass Effect 3 and the reason why is she the one who brought Shepard back so yeah she is in a way a huge part of Shepard's life now. 

Wow, hypocritical much.

I didn't like what they did in 1. But I do support them doing the same again in 2 because now its something I like. I bet there's another one like you on the ME3 forums when we get there. WAAAA why did they force me2 squad members on us. FAN SERVICE, RAGE

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 24 août 2010 - 11:15 .

[ExtremeOne]

Count Viceroy wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I never was implying that fan service is bad but  there are other ways of doing fan service than basically forcing 2 fan favorites from ME 1 into ME 2 for no real story reason beside fan service. Oh and what makes it even worse is they were basically forced to be squad members. Liara is the only one from ME 1 that has some connection to the ME 2 story. so I have no problem with her being in the game at all. 

The only issue here is that you don't like the characters in question, nothing else. And because you don't like it no one else should have it either, despite you obviously being a minority in this matter. They were popular for a reason. Makes all the sense in the world to bring them back again.

You're just being selfish.

  


No thats not it. I am simply bringing up a legit reason why those 2 are in Mass Effect 2. does Garrus and Tali have a legit story connection to the main story in Mass Effect 2.  

[ShadoX_LV]

Chaos-fusion wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

yeah i do. there is no real reason beside fan service for those ME 1 fans. 

Ironic that you say that in defence of Miranda, who was almost entirely fanservice.

So you wanna tell me that there were seriously people who just said that they would like this person to appear in the game? wtf? (0_0)?!

ExtremeOne wrote...

Chaos-fusion wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

yeah i do. there is no real reason beside fan service for those ME 1 fans. 

Ironic that you say that in defence of Miranda, who was almost entirely fanservice. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

 

how
is Miranda fan service when she is a key part of the early part of the
story in Mass Effect 2. She has a place in Mass Effect 2. 

Which one? All she had to do was to bring back Shepard.. there was no reason to even have her after that.. they could have just killed her..  The only thing she "did" was to take up space on the Normandy..

Modifié par ShadoX_LV, 24 août 2010 - 11:16 .

[Count Viceroy]

ExtremeOne wrote...


No thats not it. I am simply bringing up a legit reason why those 2 are in Mass Effect 2. does Garrus and Tali have a legit story connection to the main story in Mass Effect 2.  

They were part of shepards team. They are trustworthy comrades, capable and as much a part of the sarens demise in me1 as shepard. Me 2 is about recruiting team members that'd be perfect to fight the collectors. Garrus is highly qualified. Tali is questionable.

This is a triology, its supposed to be a connected story, reoccuring characters are kind of expected.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 24 août 2010 - 11:18 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I never was implying that fan service is bad but  there are other ways of doing fan service than basically forcing 2 fan favorites from ME 1 into ME 2 for no real story reason beside fan service. Oh and what makes it even worse is they were basically forced to be squad members. Liara is the only one from ME 1 that has some connection to the ME 2 story. so I have no problem with her being in the game at all. 

The only issue here is that you don't like the characters in question, nothing else. And because you don't like it no one else should have it either, despite you obviously being a minority in this matter. They were popular for a reason. Makes all the sense in the world to bring them back again.

You're just being selfish.

  


No thats not it. I am simply bringing up a legit reason why those 2 are in Mass Effect 2. does Garrus and Tali have a legit story connection to the main story in Mass Effect 2.  

They were part of ME1's main plot. And because of that they didn't need a new motivation.

[ExtremeOne]

ShadoX_LV wrote...

Chaos-fusion wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

yeah i do. there is no real reason beside fan service for those ME 1 fans. 

Ironic that you say that in defence of Miranda, who was almost entirely fanservice.

So you wanna tell me that there were seriously people who just said that they would like this person to appear in the game? wtf? (0_0)?!

ExtremeOne wrote...

Chaos-fusion wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

yeah i do. there is no real reason beside fan service for those ME 1 fans. 

Ironic that you say that in defence of Miranda, who was almost entirely fanservice. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

 

how
is Miranda fan service when she is a key part of the early part of the
story in Mass Effect 2. She has a place in Mass Effect 2. 

Which one? All she had to do was to bring back Shepard.. there was no reason to even have her after that.. they could have just killed her..  The only thing she "did" was to take up space on the Normandy..

  


well the only thing to 2 little fan favorites did was take up space as well. Miranda has a story reason for being in the game those other 2 not so much 

[Count Viceroy]

ExtremeOne wrote...

well the only thing to 2 little fan favorites did was take up space as well. Miranda has a story reason for being in the game those other 2 not so much 

And yet you want Miranda in me3 despite the fact that she'd fill the same role.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 24 août 2010 - 11:20 .

[ShadoX_LV]

Count Viceroy wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...


No thats not it. I am simply bringing up a legit reason why those 2 are in Mass Effect 2. does Garrus and Tali have a legit story connection to the main story in Mass Effect 2.  

They were part of shepards team. They are trustworthy comrades, capable and as much a part of the sarens demise in me1 as shepard. Me 2 is about recruiting team members that'd be perfect to fight the collectors. Garrus is highly qualified. Tali is questionable.

This is a triology, its supposed to be a connected story, reoccuring characters are kind of expected.

Plus.. they might have a bigger role in ME3.

[ExtremeOne]

Lizardviking wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I never was implying that fan service is bad but  there are other ways of doing fan service than basically forcing 2 fan favorites from ME 1 into ME 2 for no real story reason beside fan service. Oh and what makes it even worse is they were basically forced to be squad members. Liara is the only one from ME 1 that has some connection to the ME 2 story. so I have no problem with her being in the game at all. 

The only issue here is that you don't like the characters in question, nothing else. And because you don't like it no one else should have it either, despite you obviously being a minority in this matter. They were popular for a reason. Makes all the sense in the world to bring them back again.

You're just being selfish.

  


No thats not it. I am simply bringing up a legit reason why those 2 are in Mass Effect 2. does Garrus and Tali have a legit story connection to the main story in Mass Effect 2.  

They were part of ME1's main plot. And because of that they didn't need a new motivation.

  


at least Liara who was a part of ME 1 has a story connect to the main story in ME 2 thats more than i can say about the little fan favorites.  

[ThatDancingTurian]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Bioware already proved they will do what ever the Mass Effect 1 fans want them to do so why not do the same for us Mass Effect 2 fans. Miranda deserves to be in Mass Effect 3 and the reason why is she the one who brought Shepard back so yeah she is in a way a huge part of Shepard's life now.

"HOW DARE THEY CATER TO THE FANS? Oh well, too late now, that ship has sailed, so give me what I want!"

Miranda isn't a huge part of my Shepard's life. She was just there as a connection to Cerberus, which is now severed. She can't even be romanced by FemSheps, so to half the population she has no use or reason to be on the team in ME3 and for the other half it's just because they hit that, which wasn't a convincing enough reason to keep on the Virmire Survivor, apparently.

Most of the characters don't have a huge effect on plot. For instance, Sten in Dragon Age: Origins. Awesome character, wouldn't trade him for the world. Still, totally unnecessary to the plot.

[Shadow_broker]

LET THIS THREAD DIE

[ExtremeOne]

ShadoX_LV wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...


No thats not it. I am simply bringing up a legit reason why those 2 are in Mass Effect 2. does Garrus and Tali have a legit story connection to the main story in Mass Effect 2.  

They were part of shepards team. They are trustworthy comrades, capable and as much a part of the sarens demise in me1 as shepard. Me 2 is about recruiting team members that'd be perfect to fight the collectors. Garrus is highly qualified. Tali is questionable.

This is a triology, its supposed to be a connected story, reoccuring characters are kind of expected.

Plus.. they might have a bigger role in ME3.

  


I can understand that. its the whole idea of them being recruit able squad member s that i really hate 

[Count Viceroy]

ShadoX_LV wrote...

Plus.. they might have a bigger role in ME3.

There's no point arguing with him, he goes on like a broken record, a hypocritical one at that.


[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

[Shadow_broker]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Bioware already proved they will do what ever the Mass Effect 1 fans want them to do so why not do the same for us Mass Effect 2 fans. Miranda deserves to be in Mass Effect 3 and the reason why is she the one who brought Shepard back so yeah she is in a way a huge part of Shepard's life now.

"HOW DARE THEY CATER TO THE FANS? Oh well, too late now, that ship has sailed, so give me what I want!"

Miranda isn't a huge part of my Shepard's life. She was just there as a connection to Cerberus, which is now severed. She can't even be romanced by FemSheps, so to half the population she has no use or reason to be on the team in ME3 and for the other half it's just because they hit that, which wasn't a convincing enough reason to keep on the Virmire Survivor, apparently.

Most of the characters don't have a huge effect on plot. For instance, Sten in Dragon Age: Origins. Awesome character, wouldn't trade him for the world. Still, totally unnecessary to the plot.

Cerebrus will likley still play a large role in ME3, she is still important and has alot of character devolpment left (her dad and quitting cerebrus)
Virimire survivor not so much

[ShadoX_LV]

ExtremeOne wrote...
..well the only thing to 2 little fan favorites did was take up space as well. Miranda has a story reason for being in the game those other 2 not so much 

Which reason? Tell me at last one good reason why Miranda couldn't have died on the space station when Shepard woke up? She never did anything else for him.. heck, most if not all of the crew had no reason to be on the Normandy besides the need for a team that could take down the collectors. Mordin had a reason to be there because we needed a medic who could come up with something.. but even then, we already had  that female doctor whos name starts with a M.. I wonder why she couldn't do anything about the collectors..

Heck, when you actaully think about it.. Why was Shepard brought back? To stop the collectors or for some other reason? If he was brought back to stop the collectors then it means that collectors were abducting people for at last a year or 2.. we don't even know how long they were doing that... (unless they mention this in the game and I just happen to not remember it)..

During all that time they could have just made a team who takes down the collectors without even having to resurrect Shepard...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Bioware already proved they will do what ever the Mass Effect 1 fans want them to do so why not do the same for us Mass Effect 2 fans. Miranda deserves to be in Mass Effect 3 and the reason why is she the one who brought Shepard back so yeah she is in a way a huge part of Shepard's life now.

"HOW DARE THEY CATER TO THE FANS? Oh well, too late now, that ship has sailed, so give me what I want!"

Miranda isn't a huge part of my Shepard's life. She was just there as a connection to Cerberus, which is now severed. She can't even be romanced by FemSheps, so to half the population she has no use or reason to be on the team in ME3 and for the other half it's just because they hit that, which wasn't a convincing enough reason to keep on the Virmire Survivor, apparently.

Most of the characters don't have a huge effect on plot. For instance, Sten in Dragon Age: Origins. Awesome character, wouldn't trade him for the world. Still, totally unnecessary to the plot.

Cerebrus will likley still play a large role in ME3, she is still important and has alot of character devolpment left (her dad and quitting cerebrus)
Virimire survivor not so much

Virmire survivor can easiliy be the link to the Alliance in ME3 (should Bioware chose to), so I wouldn't put them on the "pointless character" list yet.

[Shadow_broker]

Lizardviking wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Bioware already proved they will do what ever the Mass Effect 1 fans want them to do so why not do the same for us Mass Effect 2 fans. Miranda deserves to be in Mass Effect 3 and the reason why is she the one who brought Shepard back so yeah she is in a way a huge part of Shepard's life now.

"HOW DARE THEY CATER TO THE FANS? Oh well, too late now, that ship has sailed, so give me what I want!"

Miranda isn't a huge part of my Shepard's life. She was just there as a connection to Cerberus, which is now severed. She can't even be romanced by FemSheps, so to half the population she has no use or reason to be on the team in ME3 and for the other half it's just because they hit that, which wasn't a convincing enough reason to keep on the Virmire Survivor, apparently.

Most of the characters don't have a huge effect on plot. For instance, Sten in Dragon Age: Origins. Awesome character, wouldn't trade him for the world. Still, totally unnecessary to the plot.

Cerebrus will likley still play a large role in ME3, she is still important and has alot of character devolpment left (her dad and quitting cerebrus)
Virimire survivor not so much

Virmire survivor can easiliy be the link to the Alliance in ME3 (should Bioware chose to), so I wouldn't put them on the "pointless character" list yet.

Jacob has some hook ups with the alliance apparently, and shepard has andersons support already. his only problem with helping shep was cerebrus which shepard can quit at the end of ME2

I'm skeptical Virmire survivor will play a squad role in ME3 im expecting a traitor or maybe i'm hoping for one