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[SirShreK]

Can Hawke be a Homophobe like the warden could not be and Oghren and Morrigan were? ^-^

[Apollo Starflare]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...Ridiculous suggestion. I can read text in DAO very wee on my plasma TV.

You are not everyone.

But you are?

Personally I've never had any trouble reading the dialogue either. That isn't even the issue, the dialogue doesn't change to fit the symbols, the symbols fit where the dialogue goes. Bioware games always use a scale of good through neutral to evil for the most part, and everything the devs have said indicates that this system will be much better than the somewhat blunt one (at times) seen in ME.

[SirShreK]

slimgrin wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

So does cinematic experience contradict the user intelligence and want of control over dialogue?

If cinematic means interactive cut-scenes like ME1 and ME2, I would say yes. I'm not trying to make a judgement call on whether those games are true rpg's. And maybe someone else can tell me if I'm way off base and other rpg's have done the same thing. I can't think of any, however. 

Let me be clear on this. I loved this aspect of the ME games, but if paraphrasing isn't meant to be accurate in both TW2, and DA2, I'm not sure I'll be too happy. Of course, we're all just speculating here.

I am kind of a guy who likes to say No. But I am not axe-crazy. So if this Blood mage comes along seeking redemption I say to her that her crimes can not be redeemed. But that does not mean I want to chop her tongue off too! I will rather want her to keep on trying to make things better henceforth. I don't want sudden "exciting" new turns at the cost of sanity.

Modifié par SirShreK, 22 août 2010 - 03:54 .

[Rubbish Hero]

Apollo Starflare wrote...But you are?

No.

Apollo Starflare wrote...That isn't even the issue

Yes it is.

Apollo Starflare wrote...Personally I've

Nobody cares.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 22 août 2010 - 03:52 .

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

SirShreK wrote...

Aye. I don't understand why we can't have the dialogue system in DA:O AND a VA.

The dialogue wheel is a huge improvement, that is why DA2 wont be using the dialogue system that was in Origins. Anyone who doesnt agree with me is either a troll or a crybaby who is afraid of change.

I really like how when we pick an option we have no idea what our character is going to say or do, it makes the game more exciting kinda like a box of chocolates where you never know what you are going to get. Picking the "I think Samesh should hear this" option is much more exciting when you find out that Shepard actually collar grabs the person he is talking to and threatens him with violence, sure it may not of been what you intended Shepard to do but then if you were expecting him to do that it wouldnt be a surprise now would it?

Modifié par Mr Mxyzptlk, 22 août 2010 - 03:54 .

[SirShreK]

jln.francisco wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Can Hawke be a Homophobe like the warden could not be and Oghren and Morrigan were? ^-^

Oghren and Morrigan weren't really homophobes. Oghren was just an ass and Morrigan was to jealous to share anything with anyone. I like (oh you bet I like) to think that if Lelianna had been more tactful in her approach Morrigan would have been smitten.

• Leliana: You are very beautiful Morrigan.
• Morrigan: Tell me something I do not know.
• Leliana: But you always dress in such rags. It suits you
  I suppose. A little tear here, a little rip there to show some skin. I
  understand.
• Morrigan: You understand I lived in a forest, I hope?
• Leliana: Maybe we could get you in a nice dress one day.
  Silk. No, maybe velvet. Velvet is heavier, better to guard against the
  cold in Ferelden. Dark red velvet, yes. With gold embroidery. It should
  be cut low in the front of course, we don't want to hide your features.
• Morrigan: Stop looking at my breasts like that. Tis most disturbing!
• Leliana: You don't think so? And if it's cut low in the front we must put your hair up to show off that lovely neck.
• Morrigan: You are insane. I would sooner let Alistair dress me.
• Leliana: It'll be fun, I promise! We'll get some shoes too! Ah, shoes! We could go shopping together!

But what if I want to play as a Homophobe? Will I get a chance to roleplay like that?

[Dynamomark]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Aye. I don't understand why we can't have the dialogue system in DA:O AND a VA.

The dialogue wheel is a huge improvement, that is why DA2 wont be using the dialogue system that was in Origins. Anyone who doesnt agree with me is either a troll or a crybaby who is afraid of change.

I really like how when we pick an option we have no idea what our character is going to say or do, it makes the game more exciting kinda like a box of chocolates where you never know what you are going to get.

Kinda like The Pearl experience. You ask for a little bit of "both" and you are in for a surprise. Unfortunately, when you do realize what you got yourself into, it's too late.

[SirShreK]

JoePinasi1989 wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Can Hawke be a Homophobe like the warden could not be and Oghren and Morrigan were? ^-^

Oghren and Morrigan weren't really homophobes. Oghren was just an ass and Morrigan was to jealous to share anything with anyone. I like (oh you bet I like) to think that if Lelianna had been more tactful in her approach Morrigan would have been smitten.

• Leliana: You are very beautiful Morrigan.
• Morrigan: Tell me something I do not know.
• Leliana: But you always dress in such rags. It suits you
  I suppose. A little tear here, a little rip there to show some skin. I
  understand.
• Morrigan: You understand I lived in a forest, I hope?
• Leliana: Maybe we could get you in a nice dress one day.
  Silk. No, maybe velvet. Velvet is heavier, better to guard against the
  cold in Ferelden. Dark red velvet, yes. With gold embroidery. It should
  be cut low in the front of course, we don't want to hide your features.
• Morrigan: Stop looking at my breasts like that. Tis most disturbing!
• Leliana: You don't think so? And if it's cut low in the front we must put your hair up to show off that lovely neck.
• Morrigan: You are insane. I would sooner let Alistair dress me.
• Leliana: It'll be fun, I promise! We'll get some shoes too! Ah, shoes! We could go shopping together!

But what if I want to play as a Homophobe? Will I get a chance to roleplay like that?

Um, that's what you consider being homophobic? Ookay then...

Now you are talking. i don't consider it Homophobic at all!!! I am of the opinion tha the Dialogue writers wanted to make it look Homophobic but were scared of making it overtly so!!!

[Apollo Starflare]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...But you are?

No.

That's funny, I could have sworn I saw you post earlier that  the reason for the symbols was because console gamers are unable to read the dialogue clearly. Your posts are rather incomprehensible though, I must have completely misunderstood.

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...That isn't even the issue

is.

Glad we agree. (oh look I can post something out of context too!)

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...Personally I've

Nobody cares.

Thanks for clearing that up, I have no idea what I was thinking posting my opinion, I should have deferred to your judgement straight away. I don't know where the forum would be without your clear and insightful posts Rub.  

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Dynamomark wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Aye. I don't understand why we can't have the dialogue system in DA:O AND a VA.

The dialogue wheel is a huge improvement, that is why DA2 wont be using the dialogue system that was in Origins. Anyone who doesnt agree with me is either a troll or a crybaby who is afraid of change.

I really like how when we pick an option we have no idea what our character is going to say or do, it makes the game more exciting kinda like a box of chocolates where you never know what you are going to get.

Kinda like The Pearl experience. You ask for a little bit of "both" and you are in for a surprise. Unfortunately, when you do realize what you got yourself into, it's too late.

Are you talking about the "Females" or the surprise me options?

If it was the surprise me options which was your fav? Mine has to be that Husky Dwarf, "yes that was amazing, the world moved for everyone".

[Rubbish Hero]

Apollo Starflare wrote...That's funny, I could have sworn I saw you post earlier that the reason for the symbols was because console gamers

Yes, peoples, not lame "i feel personally inside".
You know? I correct, we are now moving on.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 22 août 2010 - 04:07 .

[Dhiro]

jln.francisco wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Can Hawke be a Homophobe like the warden could not be and Oghren and Morrigan were? ^-^

Oghren and Morrigan weren't really homophobes. Oghren was just an ass and Morrigan was to jealous to share anything with anyone. I like (oh you bet I like) to think that if Lelianna had been more tactful in her approach Morrigan would have been smitten.

I don't think that lose his wife to another woman helped Oghren in this case.

And thank you, OP, all information is welcome. But I'll wait for videos before say anything, le sigh.

[Quinnzel]

SirShreK wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Can Hawke be a Homophobe like the warden could not be and Oghren and Morrigan were? ^-^

Oghren and Morrigan weren't really homophobes. Oghren was just an ass and Morrigan was to jealous to share anything with anyone. I like (oh you bet I like) to think that if Lelianna had been more tactful in her approach Morrigan would have been smitten.

• Leliana: You are very beautiful Morrigan.
• Morrigan: Tell me something I do not know.
• Leliana: But you always dress in such rags. It suits you
  I suppose. A little tear here, a little rip there to show some skin. I
  understand.
• Morrigan: You understand I lived in a forest, I hope?
• Leliana: Maybe we could get you in a nice dress one day.
  Silk. No, maybe velvet. Velvet is heavier, better to guard against the
  cold in Ferelden. Dark red velvet, yes. With gold embroidery. It should
  be cut low in the front of course, we don't want to hide your features.
• Morrigan: Stop looking at my breasts like that. Tis most disturbing!
• Leliana: You don't think so? And if it's cut low in the front we must put your hair up to show off that lovely neck.
• Morrigan: You are insane. I would sooner let Alistair dress me.
• Leliana: It'll be fun, I promise! We'll get some shoes too! Ah, shoes! We could go shopping together!

But what if I want to play as a Homophobe? Will I get a chance to roleplay like that?

I'd always thought that Leliana was just trying to be friendly with that whole line. If she was indeed hitting on meh Morrigan Im afraid I will have to let her die naow in subsequent playthroughs.

[Apollo Starflare]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...That's funny, I could have sworn I saw you post earlier that the reason for the symbols was because console gamers

Yes, peoples, not lame "i feel personally inside".
You know? I correct, we are now moving on.

I'm such a bad person for actually stating something is my opinion as opposed to pretending it's a fact, right.

[SirShreK]

jln.francisco wrote...

SirShrek wrote....

Now you are talking. i don't consider it Homophobic at all!!! I am of the opinion tha the Dialogue writers wanted to make it look Homophobic but were scared of making it overtly so!!!

I don't think the writer's wanted that particular scene to come across as homophobic. It seemed like Morrigan just didn't care for Lelianna's advances. She was very forward and creepy about the whole thing and their relationship up to that point hadn't been very friendly. Maybe Lelianna was just trying to bridge a gap and in her enthusiasm didn't quiet hit the mark. I'm sure the kind of women she's used to dealing with have very little in common with Morrigan.

.... Morrigan does not romance the female Warden. They are JUST GOOD FRIENDS.....

[Archereon]

Dhiro wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Can Hawke be a Homophobe like the warden could not be and Oghren and Morrigan were? ^-^

Oghren and Morrigan weren't really homophobes. Oghren was just an ass and Morrigan was to jealous to share anything with anyone. I like (oh you bet I like) to think that if Lelianna had been more tactful in her approach Morrigan would have been smitten.

I don't think that lose his wife to another woman helped Oghren in this case.

And thank you, OP, all information is welcome. But I'll wait for videos before say anything, le sigh.

It's unlikely we'll see the conversation in videos for a long time. 

[Dynamomark]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Dynamomark wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Aye. I don't understand why we can't have the dialogue system in DA:O AND a VA.

The dialogue wheel is a huge improvement, that is why DA2 wont be using the dialogue system that was in Origins. Anyone who doesnt agree with me is either a troll or a crybaby who is afraid of change.

I really like how when we pick an option we have no idea what our character is going to say or do, it makes the game more exciting kinda like a box of chocolates where you never know what you are going to get.

Kinda like The Pearl experience. You ask for a little bit of "both" and you are in for a surprise. Unfortunately, when you do realize what you got yourself into, it's too late.

Are you talking about the "Females" or the surprise me options?

If it was the surprise me options which was your fav? Mine has to be that Husky Dwarf, "yes that was amazing, the world moved for everyone".

Well, I played the game in a different language, and the dialogue option asked for "a little bit of both." I am now guessing in English version it's the "surprise me" option. Either way, the outcome is surprising indeed. Not sure I want to be "surprised" like that again though.

[AlanC9]

SirShreK wrote...

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• Leliana: You are very beautiful Morrigan.
• Morrigan: Tell me something I do not know.
• Leliana: But you always dress in such rags. It suits you
  I suppose. A little tear here, a little rip there to show some skin. I
  understand.
• Morrigan: You understand I lived in a forest, I hope?
• Leliana: Maybe we could get you in a nice dress one day.
  Silk. No, maybe velvet. Velvet is heavier, better to guard against the
  cold in Ferelden. Dark red velvet, yes. With gold embroidery. It should
  be cut low in the front of course, we don't want to hide your features.
• Morrigan: Stop looking at my breasts like that. Tis most disturbing!
• Leliana: You don't think so? And if it's cut low in the front we must put your hair up to show off that lovely neck.
• Morrigan: You are insane. I would sooner let Alistair dress me.
• Leliana: It'll be fun, I promise! We'll get some shoes too! Ah, shoes! We could go shopping together!

[*]Going way OT here, but is there any way to look up these dialogs in the toolset? I never found them.