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[Heavenblade]

For some people, turning down a secret bathhouse liaison is homophobia. They just can't accept the fact that 90% of the population doesn't view sexuality the same way they do, which drastically limits their physical relationship pool. I can say this because I am a complete deviant and pervert.



"Homophobia" is the wishful thinking of someone who wants to believe that they can simply change someones preferences with "education". It's no more different than trying to cure a gay person: A complete absurdity. Morrigan doesn't like tunafish tacos. Deal with it.

[Archereon]

Heavenblade wrote...

For some people, turning down a secret bathhouse liaison is homophobia. They just can't accept the fact that 90% of the population doesn't view sexuality the same way they do, which drastically limits their physical relationship pool. I can say this because I am a complete deviant and pervert.

"Homophobia" is the wishful thinking of someone who wants to believe that they can simply change someones preferences with "education". It's no more different than trying to cure a gay person: A complete absurdity. Morrigan doesn't like tunafish tacos. Deal with it.

If by education, you mean "torture, mind altering drugs, and "conditioning" (brainwashing)" it is perfectly feasible to change a person's personality quite a bit.

[SirShreK]

Heavenblade wrote...

For some people, turning down a secret bathhouse liaison is homophobia. They just can't accept the fact that 90% of the population doesn't view sexuality the same way they do, which drastically limits their physical relationship pool. I can say this because I am a complete deviant and pervert.

"Homophobia" is the wishful thinking of someone who wants to believe that they can simply change someones preferences with "education". It's no more different than trying to cure a gay person: A complete absurdity. Morrigan doesn't like tunafish tacos. Deal with it.

You perhaps realize what am I trying to do here?

Modifié par SirShreK, 22 août 2010 - 04:33 .

[Heavenblade]

Archereon wrote...

Heavenblade wrote...

For some people, turning down a secret bathhouse liaison is homophobia. They just can't accept the fact that 90% of the population doesn't view sexuality the same way they do, which drastically limits their physical relationship pool. I can say this because I am a complete deviant and pervert.

"Homophobia" is the wishful thinking of someone who wants to believe that they can simply change someones preferences with "education". It's no more different than trying to cure a gay person: A complete absurdity. Morrigan doesn't like tunafish tacos. Deal with it.

If by education, you mean "torture, mind altering drugs, and "conditioning" (brainwashing)" it is perfectly feasible to change a person's personality quite a bit.

*cue "Can we use blood magic to make Morrigan lesbian?" thread*

[SirShreK]

AlanC9 wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

[

• Leliana: You are very beautiful Morrigan.
• Morrigan: Tell me something I do not know.
• Leliana: But you always dress in such rags. It suits you
  I suppose. A little tear here, a little rip there to show some skin. I
  understand.
• Morrigan: You understand I lived in a forest, I hope?
• Leliana: Maybe we could get you in a nice dress one day.
  Silk. No, maybe velvet. Velvet is heavier, better to guard against the
  cold in Ferelden. Dark red velvet, yes. With gold embroidery. It should
  be cut low in the front of course, we don't want to hide your features.
• Morrigan: Stop looking at my breasts like that. Tis most disturbing!
• Leliana: You don't think so? And if it's cut low in the front we must put your hair up to show off that lovely neck.
• Morrigan: You are insane. I would sooner let Alistair dress me.
• Leliana: It'll be fun, I promise! We'll get some shoes too! Ah, shoes! We could go shopping together!

[*]Going way OT here, but is there any way to look up these dialogs in the toolset? I never found them.

http://dragonage.wik...tegory:Dialogue

Cheers!

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Dynamomark wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Dynamomark wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Aye. I don't understand why we can't have the dialogue system in DA:O AND a VA.

The dialogue wheel is a huge improvement, that is why DA2 wont be using the dialogue system that was in Origins. Anyone who doesnt agree with me is either a troll or a crybaby who is afraid of change.

I really like how when we pick an option we have no idea what our character is going to say or do, it makes the game more exciting kinda like a box of chocolates where you never know what you are going to get.

Kinda like The Pearl experience. You ask for a little bit of "both" and you are in for a surprise. Unfortunately, when you do realize what you got yourself into, it's too late.

Are you talking about the "Females" or the surprise me options?

If it was the surprise me options which was your fav? Mine has to be that Husky Dwarf, "yes that was amazing, the world moved for everyone".

Well, I played the game in a different language, and the dialogue option asked for "a little bit of both." I am now guessing in English version it's the "surprise me" option. Either way, the outcome is surprising indeed. Not sure I want to be "surprised" like that again though.

No you are quite right there was the "a little bit of both" option in the English version as well.

There were 4 options

The Males, brought out only males.

The Females, brought out only females

A little bit of Both, 2 males, 2 females and 2 "females"

And the Surprise me option that was random but everytime you woke up there would be some strange objects (the nugs, the ugh.. insertion and extraction tools, ect) that implied that your character had a very kinky time the night before.

[Dynamomark]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Dynamomark wrote...


Well, I played the game in a different language, and the dialogue option asked for "a little bit of both." I am now guessing in English version it's the "surprise me" option. Either way, the outcome is surprising indeed. Not sure I want to be "surprised" like that again though.

No you are quite right there was the "a little bit of both" option in the English version as well.

There were 4 options

The Males, brought out only males.

The Females, brought out only females

A little bit of Both, 2 males, 2 females and 2 "females"

And the Surprise me option that was random but everytime you woke up there would be some strange objects (the nugs, the ugh.. insertion and extraction tools, ect) that implied that your character had a very kinky time the night before.

I see. As you've accurately guessed, I was referring to whatever option that had a husky dwarf waiting for you. That was really a night to forget.

[Heavenblade]

I wish there was a "send every single person you have to my room" option. We could have a wild party and be tripping balls on blood magic.

[zahra]

Heavenblade wrote...

I wish there was a "send every single person you have to my room" option. We could have a wild party and be tripping balls on blood magic.

There is like a weird mod on the nexus that has mad scenes at the Pearl, mostly all female. I looked at the pictures and ran away screaming didn't find it interesting, but just wanted to point out the option.

[Heavenblade]

jln.francisco wrote...

What was the original point of this thread again?

I was about to ask this myself... I completely forgot what this topic was about..

Anyways, I'm probably one of the few people who liked the mass effect system. It seems like in DA2 they are improving and refining that system even more, which can only be a good thing, as the ME system certainly had it's share of flaws in addition to all it's strengths.

[GameBoyish]

zahra wrote...

Heavenblade wrote...

I wish there was a "send every single person you have to my room" option. We could have a wild party and be tripping balls on blood magic.

There is like a weird mod on the nexus that has mad scenes at the Pearl, mostly all female. I looked at the pictures and ran away screaming didn't find it interesting, but just wanted to point out the option.

There's a mod with Sandal moonlighting at the Pearl:blink:

[David Gaider]

Just to steer the discussion away from homophobia for the moment, and back to the OP:

Hawke has three basic tones that you can select, yes-- they're not intended to be as wildly divergent in their delivery as the OP describes, but I suppose one's tolerance for the delivery may vary (just as one's tolerance for voice acting at all may vary, in particular here on these forums).

The thing to remember is that you get those three tones available only on the "personality choice" hubs. These are no different than in Origins when you received flavor options which were intended only to pick how you said something, but otherwise just drove the conversation forward. This is the same thing, with added investigation options if there are questions to be had.

If there are actions to be taken, it's different. That's an "action choice" hub. You're not going to find the tone icons there. You will, however, see icons that illustrate the intent behind the paraphrase... if there's an intent that can be imparted via an icon: combat (or "this option ends in violence"), romance/flirting, deception, etc. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the actual voiced line off an action choice will either be a neutral tone or will vary according to your character's dominant tone (as in the tone you've been selecting the most frequently in the personality choices). There can be up to five action choice options, again with investigation options added on top of these.

And again, that's no different than Origins (and since investigation options are on their own wheel, it actually allows us more room to maneuver than in Origins, where you had six total and that's it).

Modifié par David Gaider, 22 août 2010 - 05:06 .

[Heavenblade]

Thanks for the clarification Dave! There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding the dialogue system...

[metal_dawn]

JoePinasi1989 wrote...

Magus_42 wrote...

JoePinasi1989 wrote...

Honestly,
I like to think of it as being realistic. You don't spend 5 years
talking/acting a certain way, then suddenly, out of the blue, you
change. You're Solo, but then, you're suddenly Vader. Yeah, that kind of situation.

Why not? Real people do this all the time.

If you're schizophrenic, yes. That is what you meant, no?

*Well, either that or DID...

It's got nothing to do with schizophrenia, he's just not a simpleton like yourself. It's obvious that appealing to different people w/ differing personalities will require different tactics. Think of politicians. They "change" they're approach to social situations based on what is percieved as "normalcy" to appeal to as broad a range of people as possible.

I think you're stuck in a moralist mindset whereby you believe that good and evil, right and wrong actually exist outside the minds of the individuals who believe in them. In fact, right and good are simply dictacted by what is commonly perceived as right and good by the mass (read: dumbest) contingent of society.

Hence why the ability to make Grey area choices or truly play a character role is being removed from the game. Because the mass market is too "simple" to understand how to play a character or a game where there is not some sort of clear cut "Good" or "Bad" -o-meter to tell them, "yes, you're a good person" or "ooooOOOoo you're so bad. Yes, big bad powerfull person, your life is significant, look how everyone fears and respects you".

Peter Molyneux is an effing Moron. /images/forum/emoticons/devil.png

The above re-posted because the discussion was completely hijacked.

Modifié par metal_dawn, 22 août 2010 - 04:59 .

[GameBoyish]

David Gaider wrote...

Just to steer the discussion away from homophobia for the moment, and back to the OP:

Hawke has three basic tones that you can select, yes-- they're not intended to be as wildly divergent in their delivery as the OP describes, but I suppose one's tolerance for the delivery may vary (just as one's tolerance for voice acting at all may vary, in particular here on these forums).

The thing to remember is that you get those three tones available only on the "personality choice" hubs. These are no different than in Origins when you received flavor options which were intended only to pick how you said something, but otherwise just drove the conversation forward. This is the same thing, with added investigation options if there are questions to be had.

If there are actions to be taken, it's different. That's an "action choice" hub. You're not going to find the tone icons there. You will, however, see icons that illustrate the intent behind the paraphrase... if there's an intent that can be imparted via an icon: combat (or "this option ends in violence"), romance/flirting, deception, etc. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the actual voiced line off an action choice will either be a neutral tone or will vary according to your character's dominant tone (as in the tone you've been selecting the most frequently in the personality options). There can be up to five choice options, again with investigation options added on top of these.

And again, that's no different than Origins (and since investigation options are on their own wheel, it actually allows us more room to maneuver than in Origins, where you had six total and that's it).

Yay! DG is OT! Thanks for proper clarification!!! I shall bookmark this page....

Basically, if my PC is almost always sarcastic, the good option is still kinda sarcastic?

Or if my PC is almost always violent, even the good action sounds... erm... violent?

Oh well, I'll just wait for the release. And I trust you guys... Hopefully, the wheel will keep Hawke as in-character as possible...

[Vicious]

Except for the homophobia [lol] this has quickly degenerated into a voice over vs. no voice over thread.

[zahra]

TriviaAeducan wrote...

zahra wrote...

Heavenblade wrote...

I wish there was a "send every single person you have to my room" option. We could have a wild party and be tripping balls on blood magic.

There is like a weird mod on the nexus that has mad scenes at the Pearl, mostly all female. I looked at the pictures and ran away screaming didn't find it interesting, but just wanted to point out the option.

There's a mod with Sandal moonlighting at the Pearl:blink:

Ugh some of the mods.... I don't even.... *shudders*. One mod actually made me swear off the nexus for a month. (check out "sexualized ogres") I was like.. WUUUUTTTTTT WHY OH GOD WHY

[metal_dawn]

TriviaAeducan wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Just to steer the discussion away from homophobia for the moment, and back to the OP:

Hawke has three basic tones that you can select, yes-- they're not intended to be as wildly divergent in their delivery as the OP describes, but I suppose one's tolerance for the delivery may vary (just as one's tolerance for voice acting at all may vary, in particular here on these forums).

The thing to remember is that you get those three tones available only on the "personality choice" hubs. These are no different than in Origins when you received flavor options which were intended only to pick how you said something, but otherwise just drove the conversation forward. This is the same thing, with added investigation options if there are questions to be had.

If there are actions to be taken, it's different. That's an "action choice" hub. You're not going to find the tone icons there. You will, however, see icons that illustrate the intent behind the paraphrase... if there's an intent that can be imparted via an icon: combat (or "this option ends in violence"), romance/flirting, deception, etc. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the actual voiced line off an action choice will either be a neutral tone or will vary according to your character's dominant tone (as in the tone you've been selecting the most frequently in the personality options). There can be up to five choice options, again with investigation options added on top of these.

And again, that's no different than Origins (and since investigation options are on their own wheel, it actually allows us more room to maneuver than in Origins, where you had six total and that's it).

Yay! DG is OT! Thanks for proper clarification!!! I shall bookmark this page....

Basically, if my PC is almost always sarcastic, the good option is still kinda sarcastic?

Or if my PC is almost always violent, even the good action sounds... erm... violent?

Oh well, I'll just wait for the release. And I trust you guys... Hopefully, the wheel will keep Hawke as in-character as possible...

Yes, this evidences that Bioware is going to pigeonhole our main character in to their assumption of the personaltiy traits their SYSTEM feels our Player character should have while reducing our ability to choose our own tone and personality traits.

... Cheer away monkey.

Modifié par metal_dawn, 22 août 2010 - 05:08 .