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[Zulu_DFA]

Yeah, you read it right.

Cerberus has successfully pulled off yet another "evil" experiment.

During which, thanks to Admiral Anderson's treason, Cerberus came under an unprovoked attack by the Turian  military. Despite the element of surprise being achieved by the Turians, Cerberus put up a gutsy fight, inflicting double casualties on the Turians against their projected estimates. Initially. And the Turians failed to achieve their primary objective - neutralize the Illusive Man.

Then, TIM quickly managed to mount a single retaliatory strike, using Aria T'Loak's mercenary force. Causing one of the Turian teams to be totally wiped out. Like one of the Turians said at the mission briefing - "no survivors".

Then, during the effort to contain the damage, resulting from the "rude interruption" of the experiment by the outsiders, TIM's plan was pivotal.

Finally, TIM recovered all records, salvaged from the lab by Aria's people.

(Don't believe me, read the book again! It's all there...)

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Now I find myself interested in reading the book. Thanks Zulu, Im gonna buy it.

You are welcome.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 23 août 2010 - 09:28 .

[Count Viceroy]

[Ragnarok521]

They succeeded in that they got the data they need, unless I read the book wrong. What's your point?

Modifié par Ragnarok521, 22 août 2010 - 07:57 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Ragnarok521 wrote...

They succeeded in that they got the data they need, unless I read the book wrong. What's your point?

This, exactly.

[Neuzhelin]

Yes, a success! Can you post a picture of your tin foil hat that you wore when you typed all that

Modifié par Neuzhelin, 22 août 2010 - 10:05 .

[didymos1120]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
During which, thanks to Admiral Anderson's treason, Cerberus came under an unprovoked attack by the Turian  military.

Unprovoked? That's funny.  "Poor widdle innocent Cerberus!  What did they ever do to deserve this?  Won't somebody please think of the human supremacists!"

[Inthatplace]

I am not sure what you are trying to establish here.

[Arijharn]

didymos1120 wrote...
Unprovoked? That's funny.  "Poor widdle innocent Cerberus!  What did they ever do to deserve this?  Won't somebody please think of the human supremacists!"

Why exactly do the Turian's attack Cerberus though? Considering the Council is usually quite content with leaving each species to do it's own laundry it strikes me as odd that the Turian's are so gung-ho about doing this.

Cerberus may be jackals to you, but it seems to be more likely for Anderson to draft human 'specialists' with an axe to grind rather than the Turian's.

[FlyinElk212]

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[Mystranna Kelteel]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Cerberus has successfully pulled off yet another "evil" experiment.

Doesn't that imply that they've "succeeded" in the past?

Let's see...
They failed the rachni experiment, failed the husk experiment, failed with Gillian, failed with Overlord, failed with Firewalker, failed with Jack, lost a main research base on Nepheron... Just off the top of my head.

One might argue they succeeded with the Lazarus Project, but even then they had to quit the project early due to sabotage and had the entire station destroyed.

And these are the people some want to entrust with reaper tech.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 23 août 2010 - 12:59 .

[AresXX7]

@Zulu_DFA

I notice you accuse Anderson of treason quite a bit, when it comes to his actions/point of views against Cerberus

why?

they're not a government or a embodiment of humanity as a whole
so I'm just curious as to how you've reached that assesment, of him


by the way, as you may have noticed, or not, I haven't participated in the pro/anti-Cerberus debates
so this is a genuine question

[didymos1120]

Arijharn wrote...
Why exactly do the Turian's attack Cerberus though? Considering the Council is usually quite content with leaving each species to do it's own laundry it strikes me as odd that the Turian's are so gung-ho about doing this.

Turians are militaristic.  As far as they're concerned, Cerberus may as well have declared war on them by openly espousing human dominance. And it's not like they haven't killed plenty of non-humans, or used only humans in their experiments.  Besides which, even if you go with the "Well, most of their victims have actually been human" thing, look at it from a non-human's POV: if they're willing to do that to their own species, which they value far above all others, what would they be willing to do to us if they thought they could get away with it?

Cerberus may be jackals to you, but it seems to be more likely for Anderson to draft human 'specialists' with an axe to grind rather than the Turian's.

Anderson did it because Cerberus has an unknown number of agents at all levels of the Alliance.  No good way to ensure operational security under those circumstances.  You're right though, in a way: Anderson's first thought was to get Shepard and Co., but since it's an ME novel, Shep is conveniently "off the grid" doing something or other.

[AresXX7]

Arijharn wrote...

Why exactly do the Turian's attack Cerberus though? Considering the Council is usually quite content with leaving each species to do it's own laundry it strikes me as odd that the Turian's are so gung-ho about doing this.

I thought it was more of a pre-empted strike against a presumed enemy 

[Skyblade012]

Yeah, even Cerberus is bound to do something right every once in a while. Even if most of their projects do tend to end in massive, hilarious failure.



Personally, I don't care much, though, as I really don't think highly of the books.

[Giggles_Manically]

Book was lame, Anderson was stupid, Turians were NUKINITFROMORBIT again, Sanders is derp again, And oh yes Cerberus gets turned into Teh Evil Science guys.





Really the books need to be written better.

[Costin_Razvan]

Books for games are usually crap.

[Giggles_Manically]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Books for games are usually crap.

So are the comics to a great extent.

Who really cares Loghain is better written than all of ME to me.

[KainrycKarr]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Books for games are usually crap.

So are the comics to a great extent.

Who really cares Loghain is better written than all of ME to me.

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[Arijharn]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
They failed the rachni experiment, failed the husk experiment, failed with Gillian, failed with Overlord, failed with Firewalker, lost a main research base on Nepheron... Just off the top of my head.

One might argue they succeeded with the Lazarus Project, but even then they had to quit the project early due to sabotage and had the entire station destroyed.

And these are the people some want to entrust with reaper tech.

Clandestine organisations are see-creeet. A clandestine organisation that makes its successes known is kinda stupid... it'd be like having a PR department. Even it's failures are hardly public knowledge.

But, when you think about it; how many of those were really failures or how many failed due to outside influences (namely, some hardass hero flying around in a stealth frigate)?

Firewalker succeeded by the way; they made a tank. Sure, the tank was a downgrade from the Mako, but you know, that was those dastardly folk at BioWare more than the dastardly folk from Cerberus.

If you're juggling 5 balls, and some jerk through a sixth at you, did you fail, or was it some jerk who threw a sixth at you?

 

[dreman9999]

What.......Really...

[Arijharn]

Use your head... are they really going to announce their successes to everyone? Are they really going to even announce their successes to other departments within Cerberus?



Why would TIM call you in on Overlord if everything was happening as expected? Did you really know about the Arc Projector before it was placed in your hands (think this as a character, not as you as a person browsing the SocialNetwork site)?



Did you know that the original Normandy was backed by Cerberus before EDI told you? Hell, did you know that Cerberus created stable AI (one of only a seeming few within the Mass Effect universe)? Did you know that Cerberus provides humanitarian aid? Hell, even I knew that they did things like that only after reading the Mission Complete screen post Jacob loyalty.



Hell as far as I can tell, the Migrant Fleet is the single most inept organisation on the face of the galaxy since they couldn't even recapture the Alarei without Shephard stepping in, but that couldn't possibly be true though can it?

[Mystranna Kelteel]

One of Cerberus's "civilian" front companies is a starship manufacturer. So I would hope they can at least build weaponry and ships properly.



Those aren't the types of experiments to which I refer. The OP specifically mentioned the "evil" experiments, and we all know what is meant by that.



And most of those experiments failed because Cerberus couldn't control their own experiments, not because Shepard stepped in.



Also, the Migrant Fleet repelled Cerberus... What does that say about Cerberus if the MF is the most inept organization?

[KainrycKarr]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

One of Cerberus's "civilian" front companies is a starship manufacturer. So I would hope they can at least build weaponry and ships properly.

Those aren't the types of experiments to which I refer. The OP specifically mentioned the "evil" experiments, and we all know what is meant by that.

And most of those experiments failed because Cerberus couldn't control their own experiments, not because Shepard stepped in.

Also, the Migrant Fleet repelled Cerberus... What does that say about Cerberus if the MF is the most inept organization?

Well put.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Go TIM? Yeah!!! I think...