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[atheelogos]

Inthatplace wrote...

IF there isn't, what would be the point?

this

[Gibb_Garrus]

Absolutely not. What if you went through the game thinking you made the right choices, but they were actually the wrong choices? You know how pissed someone would be if they went through the whole series as one character, only to have him fail? No fuking way.

[ExtremeOne]

I would like for a game to have a ending where the so called bad guys when. movies have this all the time

[JGDD]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Absolutely not. What if you went through the game thinking you made the right choices, but they were actually the wrong choices? You know how pissed someone would be if they went through the whole series as one character, only to have him fail? No fuking way.

There there...BioWare will make sure some of you with weak constitutions will still get your way and defeat the reapers and live happily ever after. It's the rest of us that want something with real impact instead of a canned "save the day" story that have more to worry about.

[Mister Mida]

As long as it doesn't take away other stuff I'm cool with it.

[AresXX7]

after having the Shep could also die scenario in ME2, it wouldn't suprise me if there was a "bad" ending in ME3 also
but I think you would have to intentionally cause it, just like the aforementioned ME2 ending

[Gibb_Garrus]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

Absolutely not. What if you went through the game thinking you made the right choices, but they were actually the wrong choices? You know how pissed someone would be if they went through the whole series as one character, only to have him fail? No fuking way.

There there...BioWare will make sure some of you with weak constitutions will still get your way and defeat the reapers and live happily ever after. It's the rest of us that want something with real impact instead of a canned "save the day" story that have more to worry about.

hahahaha, so your saying you'd be happy with playing the entire series, only to have you utterly fail in the end. You would not in the least bit be dissapointed if everything you did through the series was all for nothing.

After all the time you put into the series and you end up with the failure ending, would you stand up and applaude the game for being amazingly epic? No you wouldn't, you'd be ****ing pissed.

It's alright to have an ending where you succeed but sustain terrible casualties, but a failure ending? nah.

[asaiasai]

I would like to see a final mission that is so difficult that winning is the rarity and loosing is all but assured. I would like the winning senario to be a collection of seemingly insignifigant choices spanning the previous 2 games that in most cases right now every bodie's current ME2 import saves are loosers. Kind of like a pure paragon or renegade save will almost guarantee a looser, where the only way to win is balance spread out over the 2 previous games. Something that will take us months of note comparisons before we (the forums folks) have a senario that will provide the win.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 23 août 2010 - 06:28 .

[JGDD]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...
hahahaha, so your saying you'd be happy with playing the entire series, only to have you utterly fail in the end. You would not in the least bit be dissapointed if everything you did through the series was all for nothing.

After all the time you put into the series and you end up with the failure ending, would you stand up and applaude the game for being amazingly epic? No you wouldn't, you'd be ****ing pissed.

It's alright to have an ending where you succeed but sustain terrible casualties, but a failure ending? nah.

Of course I would be fine with this scenario. It's a game. This would also allow me to try one of the dozens of other saves I have on hand to see what works and what doesn't.

EDIT: Let me be very clear about this - I thoroughly enjoy the game and all its many, many outcomes. I refuse to be a slave to one final answer for the countless choices one has to make along the way and it makes zero sense to make them in the first place if your only option is victory. People do fail in real life.

Modifié par justgimmedudedammit, 23 août 2010 - 06:54 .

[Gibb_Garrus]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...
hahahaha, so your saying you'd be happy with playing the entire series, only to have you utterly fail in the end. You would not in the least bit be dissapointed if everything you did through the series was all for nothing.

After all the time you put into the series and you end up with the failure ending, would you stand up and applaude the game for being amazingly epic? No you wouldn't, you'd be ****ing pissed.

It's alright to have an ending where you succeed but sustain terrible casualties, but a failure ending? nah.

Of course I would be fine with this scenario. It's a game. This would also allow me to try one of the dozens of other saves I have on hand to see what works and what doesn't.

Okay, but everyone will most likely be porting their main canon shep on their first playthrough of me3, the one they have molded since ME 1 to be their main shepard with the morals and choices of what the player would do in the given situation. To see an ending where the reapers consume the galaxy and everything in the mass effect universe has been completely destroyed, would be extremely dissapointing for your main character. Don't you agree?

EDIT: But like i said, an ending sustaining heavy casualties, including yourself, but still stopping the reaper menace for now at least, would be a completely fine ending. But utter and complete failure? nah

Modifié par Gibb_Garrus, 23 août 2010 - 07:04 .

[JGDD]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...
hahahaha, so your saying you'd be happy with playing the entire series, only to have you utterly fail in the end. You would not in the least bit be dissapointed if everything you did through the series was all for nothing.

After all the time you put into the series and you end up with the failure ending, would you stand up and applaude the game for being amazingly epic? No you wouldn't, you'd be ****ing pissed.

It's alright to have an ending where you succeed but sustain terrible casualties, but a failure ending? nah.

Of course I would be fine with this scenario. It's a game. This would also allow me to try one of the dozens of other saves I have on hand to see what works and what doesn't.

Okay, but everyone will most likely be porting their main canon shep on their first playthrough of me3, the one they have molded since ME 1 to be their main shepard with the morals and choices of what the player would do in the given situation. To see an ending where the reapers consume the galaxy and everything in the mass effect universe has been completely destroyed, would be extremely dissapointing for your main character. Don't you agree?

Not exactly. With the previous game I went and played it without an import first to see what kind of crap BioWare was going to shovel in my direction. After that I imported various saves to see what changes were to the overall plot. Frankly, not much. Most likely they will follow suit and do the same with 3 and unless you work very hard at trying to mess things up you will save the galaxy. And it would not surprise me in the least if you can do it with a pistol.

[AresXX7]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

And it would not surprise me in the least if you can do it with a pistol.

but the new M-5 Phalanx is a pretty sweet pistol

[CroGamer002]

I approve.

[MCPOWill]

TK Dude wrote...

Yes, it should be dependant on the major choices we made.
But since Bioware dissed the major choices for ME1 in ME2, I'm not getting my hopes up.

It could be (and will be)  the majors decisions in ME1 and ME2 are all coming around to affect ME3. Because ME2 didnt do the stupid cliffhanger most sequels suffer from (I'm looking at you PotC 2) Bioware simply nodded at some of the major decisions in ME1 because it was the best option because there is no reason for say the rachni to show, they wouldn't be much help in ME2 anyway. So I think its safe to assume a nice accumulation in ME3 and I wouldn't be surprised if ME3 wasn't just about gathering an army... like say Shepard is hunted or ME3 starts with the Reaper invasion...

[snfonseka]

Yes, please......

[brgillespie]

Failure? Well... maybe.

I would *rather* see what I thought were good decisions turn out to have disastrous consequences, as in the wrap-up of Dragon Age. Recruited the werewolves? Not so great. Supported the old, honorable dwarf instead of the conniving, backstabbing one? Not so great (that one surprised me). Things like that.

You know, like having the Geth reprogrammed in Legion's mission helps in the short term with the fight against the Reapers, but long term the Quarian Fleet is annihilated by a united Geth. After all, Legion respected - perhaps even had a fanboy crush on Shepard - but to me it still seemed to be operating under an enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend modus operandi.

How crazy would it be if it turns out that destroying the Collector base actually WAS the wrong thing to do? After all, you'd never have been able to outfit the Normandy SR2 with Thanix cannons had the Turians not researched some of the wreckage of Sovereign. Look how that would've turned out when you went up against the Collector ship.

Modifié par brgillespie, 23 août 2010 - 08:42 .

[snfonseka]

brgillespie wrote...

Failure? Well... maybe.

I would *rather* see what I thought were good decisions turn out to have disastrous consequences, as in the wrap-up of Dragon Age. Recruited the werewolves? Not so great. Supported the old, honorable dwarf instead of the conniving, backstabbing one? Not so great (that one surprised me). Things like that.

You know, like having the Geth reprogrammed in Legion's mission helps in the short term with the fight against the Reapers, but long term the Quarian Fleet is annihilated by a united Geth. After all, Legion respected - perhaps even had a fanboy crush on Shepard - but to me it still seemed to be operating under an enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend modus operandi.

How crazy would it be if it turns out that destroying the Collector base actually WAS the wrong thing to do? After all, you'd never have been able to outfit the Normandy SR2 with Thanix cannons had the Turians not researched some of the wreckage of Sovereign. Look how that would've turned out when you went up against the Collector ship.

Agreed... but not going to see in ME3. Paragon actions always get the better outcome in ME according to my opinion. That's the way the writers wrote the story so far...

Modifié par snfonseka, 23 août 2010 - 09:12 .

[Marzillius]

snfonseka wrote...

brgillespie wrote...

Failure? Well... maybe.

I would *rather* see what I thought were good decisions turn out to have disastrous consequences, as in the wrap-up of Dragon Age. Recruited the werewolves? Not so great. Supported the old, honorable dwarf instead of the conniving, backstabbing one? Not so great (that one surprised me). Things like that.

You know, like having the Geth reprogrammed in Legion's mission helps in the short term with the fight against the Reapers, but long term the Quarian Fleet is annihilated by a united Geth. After all, Legion respected - perhaps even had a fanboy crush on Shepard - but to me it still seemed to be operating under an enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend modus operandi.

How crazy would it be if it turns out that destroying the Collector base actually WAS the wrong thing to do? After all, you'd never have been able to outfit the Normandy SR2 with Thanix cannons had the Turians not researched some of the wreckage of Sovereign. Look how that would've turned out when you went up against the Collector ship.

Agreed... but not going to see in ME3. Paragon actions always get the better outcome in ME according to my opinion. That's the way the writers wrote the story so far...

Not necessarily. It will without a doubt be Paragon to cure the genophage, but that will result in a new krogan war, and if it don't, many many habitable planets will be destroyed by the krogan and their stupid way of life.

[snfonseka]

Marzillius wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

brgillespie wrote...

Failure? Well... maybe.

I would *rather* see what I thought were good decisions turn out to have disastrous consequences, as in the wrap-up of Dragon Age. Recruited the werewolves? Not so great. Supported the old, honorable dwarf instead of the conniving, backstabbing one? Not so great (that one surprised me). Things like that.

You know, like having the Geth reprogrammed in Legion's mission helps in the short term with the fight against the Reapers, but long term the Quarian Fleet is annihilated by a united Geth. After all, Legion respected - perhaps even had a fanboy crush on Shepard - but to me it still seemed to be operating under an enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend modus operandi.

How crazy would it be if it turns out that destroying the Collector base actually WAS the wrong thing to do? After all, you'd never have been able to outfit the Normandy SR2 with Thanix cannons had the Turians not researched some of the wreckage of Sovereign. Look how that would've turned out when you went up against the Collector ship.

Agreed... but not going to see in ME3. Paragon actions always get the better outcome in ME according to my opinion. That's the way the writers wrote the story so far...

Not necessarily. It will without a doubt be Paragon to cure the genophage, but that will result in a new krogan war, and if it don't, many many habitable planets will be destroyed by the krogan and their stupid way of life.

Yea... that's the real world scenario... but will the writers like to write the story like that?... They will write the story as after get cured Krogans get united and help Shepard to battle the Reapers, then because of the past experience they (Clan leaders) will put some regulations on "birth rate" to control their populations... etc.

Modifié par snfonseka, 23 août 2010 - 09:23 .

[stormx2233]

Yeah to right, you should be able to fail. If they do,do that then it would be a really good game.

[Marzillius]

snfonseka wrote...

Marzillius wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

brgillespie wrote...

Failure? Well... maybe.

I would *rather* see what I thought were good decisions turn out to have disastrous consequences, as in the wrap-up of Dragon Age. Recruited the werewolves? Not so great. Supported the old, honorable dwarf instead of the conniving, backstabbing one? Not so great (that one surprised me). Things like that.

You know, like having the Geth reprogrammed in Legion's mission helps in the short term with the fight against the Reapers, but long term the Quarian Fleet is annihilated by a united Geth. After all, Legion respected - perhaps even had a fanboy crush on Shepard - but to me it still seemed to be operating under an enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend modus operandi.

How crazy would it be if it turns out that destroying the Collector base actually WAS the wrong thing to do? After all, you'd never have been able to outfit the Normandy SR2 with Thanix cannons had the Turians not researched some of the wreckage of Sovereign. Look how that would've turned out when you went up against the Collector ship.

Agreed... but not going to see in ME3. Paragon actions always get the better outcome in ME according to my opinion. That's the way the writers wrote the story so far...

Not necessarily. It will without a doubt be Paragon to cure the genophage, but that will result in a new krogan war, and if it don't, many many habitable planets will be destroyed by the krogan and their stupid way of life.

Yea... that's the real world scenario... but will the writers like to write the story like that?... They will write the story as after get cured Krogans get united and help Shepard to battle the Reapers, then because of the past experience they (Clan leaders) will put some regulations on "birth rate" to control their populations... etc.

Wrex might very well do something like that. He is a great leader who cares for the well-being of other species too. But if Wrex is dead... well, it might not go too well.

[SantosCapela]

Failure should be an option and total success should be impossible. By total success I mean killing all the reapers and having a gigantic victory. It should be something more like the losses would be to great for both sides and so the reapers step back.

[GuitarShredUK]

Well...looking at the possible endings of ME2 then surely running gung-ho into the suicide mission without gaining the loyalty of anyone on your team, then having the possibility of them all dying (including Shepard) is surely an epic fail is it not?  That leaves just Joker and the new Normandy, useful in some ways but not in others i.e. little prospect of effective planet exploration/extra missions and on top of that no power to negotiate with the Commander and an ex-Spectre now dead along with probably the best hand-picked commando unit the galaxy will ever see.

In terms of the overall main story arc and the conclusion of ME3, then yes I would like to see failure as an option as it obviously fleshes out the story by providing the player with the final consequences of all of their actions across the whole trilogy. Personally, if all fails then the Council certainly have themselves to blame for simply refusing to believe Shepard, I mean even after Sovereign enters the Citadel with the Ascension saved by the actions of Shepard, Joker and the Alliance fleet they then return to their old ways and spend the next two years + convincing themselves that the Reapers are now finished/no longer exist - serves them right to maybe get whats coming to them I guess.

Modifié par GuitarShredUK, 23 août 2010 - 09:44 .

[Guanxii]

 How about 2 different paths to success for paragons and renegades.... saving the council at the end of ME1 being the main anchor of the paragon route, and saving the Collector base at the end of ME2 being the renegade equivalent.

In any event renegades that destroy the base or paragons that loose the council can only ever achieve partial success to near total failure dependant on other outcomes across all three games.

Renegades:


Collector base saved - some kind of repurposed former council race Cerberus alien army


Xen & Han'Gerrel lead Quarians re-enslave the Geth as tools of war using Rael'Zorah's weapon


Wrev leads a traditional krogan army that once threatened the galaxy by curing the genophage


Paragons:


Council saved - united galactic army of council races


Qwib'Qwib lead Quarians broker peace treaty with the Geth (Requires Legion and Tali)


Wrex unites the clans, strengthens Krogan forces organically despite the genophage… Krogans readmitted into the Council

Modifié par Guanxii, 23 août 2010 - 11:06 .

[atraxia]

Would be AWESOME if failure was an option.
Seeing the whole galaxy burn in flames.... mwehehehehehe

But I have a feeling this might not be the case, as Bioware plans to make the Mass Effect world (outside of the Shepard story arc, most likely) into a franchise, and they probably will want to dip into the post Shepard time-line for other stuff like games/comics/whatever. Considering that's how Star Wars and many other franchises have been doing things...

And seeing how the basic storyline was never altered no matter what you did in both games(for ME, Sovereign and Saren was dead despite your choices, that was the only main ending, while in ME2, you ended up defeating the collectors regardless of the choices you made), I think the same is going to happen for ME3.

Anyhoos, I hope they screw the Shepard dying to save the galaxy crap, though, whatever they do with the endings and that a good (or bad) ending won't be entirely dependent on you having a high Paragon/Renegade score.

Modifié par atraxia, 23 août 2010 - 10:56 .