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[Inquisitor Recon]

Rapidiul wrote...

Win. I love the UH-60.

[AngryFrozenWater]

If BioWare wants to reach that 10 million copies then the only logical thing they can do is to have better character customization to allow more players to identify with the main character. Female players will probably want to play as a female. Non-caucasians are likely to want to play as someone close to how they look. Some effort in that area will make a lot of people happy and I bet that it improves sales as well.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 23 août 2010 - 05:31 .

[Jalem001]

Yes please, Bioware.

[Sylvius the Mad]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Female players will probably want to play as a female.

And, of course, they can.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Female players will probably want to play as a female.

And, of course, they can.

Yes. So what's your point?

[atheelogos]

Seifz wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Rivain is the equivalent of Spain? That's an odd choice for a parallel...the Qunari don't fully strike me as Muslims, maybe in slight aspects but their culture seems to have alot of east asian influence too.

Rivain isn't Spain.  Antiva is Spain.  Rivain is indeed where the black folk live.  DG said so. 

from the wiki
"Rivain is likely an allegory for Islamic Spain -- also known as the
Cordoba Caliphate, a medieval hotbed of art, science, and (in many ways)
multiculturalism before the Reconquista by Catholic Spanish nobility --
because of they are of the human ethnicity (allegorical to Europeans)
border Antiva (allegory for Spain), but are devoted to the Qun
(allegorical to Islam) and tolerant of the Dalish Elves (allegorical to
the Jewish diaspora).
"

"DG said so." David said that? I want a quote.

[atheelogos]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

If BioWare wants to reach that 10 million copies then the only logical thing they can do is to have better character customization to allow more players to identify with the main character. Female players will probably want to play as a female. Non-caucasians are likely to want to play as someone close to how they look. Some effort in that area will make a lot of people happy and I bet that it improves sales as well.

They shouldn't add it if doesn't fit within the story. His whole the family is white so how the hell is he going to be black?

[Collider]

Saibh wrote...

Arttis wrote...

I am pretty sure african americans have many tones.
Some tones were indeed in the CC.

I'd disagree...I can't remember who, but someone aptly described them as really bad sunburns. They don't look right.

That's more an inability to realistically create the skin tones then being unable to play as someone "black."

[hoysexyjew]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Female players will probably want to play as a female.

And, of course, they can.

Yes. So what's your point?

what's YOUR point? obviously you're going to be able to play as a female so why even say that? they don't need improvements there because you already can play as a female...

[AngryFrozenWater]

atheelogos wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

If BioWare wants to reach that 10 million copies then the only logical thing they can do is to have better character customization to allow more players to identify with the main character. Female players will probably want to play as a female. Non-caucasians are likely to want to play as someone close to how they look. Some effort in that area will make a lot of people happy and I bet that it improves sales as well.

They shouldn't add it if doesn't fit within the story. His whole the family is white so how the hell is he going to be black?

Good point. In that case BW has to put in some more effort than just a better character generator if they want to reach non-caucasian characters AND make the story believable.

BTW: Are you angry?

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 23 août 2010 - 05:53 .

[B3taMaxxx]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Frivolous thread is frivolous, but in the previous game, I wanted  the Warden to look like me. But an African American skin tone was impossible no matter how much I played around with the character creator. Thus, I was wondering if it'd be possible in Dragon Age 2.

 Would be nice, I agree, however I had the same problem with Oblivion.

 No matter how hard I tried I couldn't make a decent white feller (aka; Irish American, German American, British American, Italian American, and on and on).

 Though I was quite content with my badass Redguard.

 

[pizoxuat]

atheelogos wrote...

Seifz wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Rivain is the equivalent of Spain? That's an odd choice for a parallel...the Qunari don't fully strike me as Muslims, maybe in slight aspects but their culture seems to have alot of east asian influence too.

Rivain isn't Spain.  Antiva is Spain.  Rivain is indeed where the black folk live.  DG said so. 

from the wiki
"Rivain is likely an allegory for Islamic Spain -- also known as the
Cordoba Caliphate, a medieval hotbed of art, science, and (in many ways)
multiculturalism before the Reconquista by Catholic Spanish nobility --
because of they are of the human ethnicity (allegorical to Europeans)
border Antiva (allegory for Spain), but are devoted to the Qun
(allegorical to Islam) and tolerant of the Dalish Elves (allegorical to
the Jewish diaspora).
"

"DG said so." David said that? I want a quote.

Link.

There are indeed black people in Thedas-- the Rivaini have skin tones
ranging from dark tan to ebony. You'll find them scattered in various
places.

[AngryFrozenWater]

hoysexyjew wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Female players will probably want to play as a female.

And, of course, they can.

Yes. So what's your point?

what's YOUR point? obviously you're going to be able to play as a female so why even say that? they don't need improvements there because you already can play as a female...

All that aggression. Hehe. I've added that sentence to show that female characters are already possible and that most of us already accept that. The next step is to include other groups. Caucasians are a minority in the world population. So if BW wants to reach that 10 million copies they have to work for reaching that larger audience.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 23 août 2010 - 06:01 .

[atheelogos]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

If BioWare wants to reach that 10 million copies then the only logical thing they can do is to have better character customization to allow more players to identify with the main character. Female players will probably want to play as a female. Non-caucasians are likely to want to play as someone close to how they look. Some effort in that area will make a lot of people happy and I bet that it improves sales as well.

They shouldn't add it if doesn't fit within the story. His whole the family is white so how the hell is he going to be black?

Good point. In that case BW has to put in some more effort than just a better character generator if they want to reach non-caucasian characters AND make the story believable.

BTW: Are you angry?

No I'm not. Sry I sound that way though. I'm just a little frustrated that people want to do things that have nothing to do with story or the lore. It would be a game breaking move imo. But again I'm not mad.

[atheelogos]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Frivolous thread is frivolous, but in the previous game, I wanted  the Warden to look like me. But an African American skin tone was impossible no matter how much I played around with the character creator. Thus, I was wondering if it'd be possible in Dragon Age 2.

 Would be nice, I agree, however I had the same problem with Oblivion.

 No matter how hard I tried I couldn't make a decent white feller (aka; Irish American, German American, British American, Italian American, and on and on).

 Though I was quite content with my badass Redguard.

 

You should see my badass Altmer.

[Darren1861]

" Hint", They really don't do a good job on any Race color in the game, that also include Mass Effect as well.....

[atheelogos]

pizoxuat wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Seifz wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Rivain is the equivalent of Spain? That's an odd choice for a parallel...the Qunari don't fully strike me as Muslims, maybe in slight aspects but their culture seems to have alot of east asian influence too.

Rivain isn't Spain.  Antiva is Spain.  Rivain is indeed where the black folk live.  DG said so. 

from the wiki
"Rivain is likely an allegory for Islamic Spain -- also known as the
Cordoba Caliphate, a medieval hotbed of art, science, and (in many ways)
multiculturalism before the Reconquista by Catholic Spanish nobility --
because of they are of the human ethnicity (allegorical to Europeans)
border Antiva (allegory for Spain), but are devoted to the Qun
(allegorical to Islam) and tolerant of the Dalish Elves (allegorical to
the Jewish diaspora).
"

"DG said so." David said that? I want a quote.

Link.

There are indeed black people in Thedas-- the Rivaini have skin tones
ranging from dark tan to ebony. You'll find them scattered in various
places.

Thanks for the link, but he didn't say Rivain is their country of origin. He just said there are black people ,which we new already, and Rivaini range in skin tone.

[atheelogos]

Darren1861 wrote...

" Hint", They really don't do a good job on any Race color in the game, that also include Mass Effect as well.....

What are you talking about the races in ME where done well imho.

[AngryFrozenWater]

atheelogos wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

If BioWare wants to reach that 10 million copies then the only logical thing they can do is to have better character customization to allow more players to identify with the main character. Female players will probably want to play as a female. Non-caucasians are likely to want to play as someone close to how they look. Some effort in that area will make a lot of people happy and I bet that it improves sales as well.

They shouldn't add it if doesn't fit within the story. His whole the family is white so how the hell is he going to be black?

Good point. In that case BW has to put in some more effort than just a better character generator if they want to reach non-caucasian characters AND make the story believable.

BTW: Are you angry?

No I'm not. Sry I sound that way though. I'm just a little frustrated that people want to do things that have nothing to do with story or the lore. It would be a game breaking move imo. But again I'm not mad.

Well... That's cool, because I don't see the point in having heated arguments when there is absolutely no reason for that.

As others have already pointed out there are non-caucasions in the lore. I am not a lore specialist but I like to believe them. If it is not in there then why not simply change it. Lore is not holy. BW already proved that by adding horns to the gunari. Their argument was that it would make them more recognizable and that would give the game a little more identity. An argument to promote sales. That's fine. My point is just another argument to promote sales.

Edit: Corrected typo.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 23 août 2010 - 06:33 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Here's a simple solution to the matching family skin color problem: Just make the family match the player's look. Can't be too hard and certainly not impossible to do.

[revan11exile]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Here's a simple solution to the matching family skin color problem: Just make the family match the player's look. Can't be too hard and certainly not impossible to do.

                                                                                                        FallOut 3 did it;)

[Seifz]

atheelogos wrote...

pizoxuat wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Seifz wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Rivain is the equivalent of Spain? That's an odd choice for a parallel...the Qunari don't fully strike me as Muslims, maybe in slight aspects but their culture seems to have alot of east asian influence too.

Rivain isn't Spain.  Antiva is Spain.  Rivain is indeed where the black folk live.  DG said so. 

from the wiki
"Rivain is likely an allegory for Islamic Spain -- also known as the
Cordoba Caliphate, a medieval hotbed of art, science, and (in many ways)
multiculturalism before the Reconquista by Catholic Spanish nobility --
because of they are of the human ethnicity (allegorical to Europeans)
border Antiva (allegory for Spain), but are devoted to the Qun
(allegorical to Islam) and tolerant of the Dalish Elves (allegorical to
the Jewish diaspora).
"

"DG said so." David said that? I want a quote.

Link.

There are indeed black people in Thedas-- the Rivaini have skin tones
ranging from dark tan to ebony. You'll find them scattered in various
places.

Thanks for the link, but he didn't say Rivain is their country of origin. He just said there are black people ,which we new already, and Rivaini range in skin tone.

No, he said that the Rivaini people have skin tones ranging from dark tan to ebony.  That last word there is the key!

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

If BioWare wants to reach that
10 million copies then the only logical thing they can do is to have
better character customization to allow more players to identify with
the main character. Female players will probably want to play as a
female. Non-caucasians are likely to want to play as someone close to
how they look. Some effort in that area will make a lot of people happy
and I bet that it improves sales as well.

Please stop calling white people caucasian.  It's absolutely wrong.  It's just as bad as "African American" and whatnot.  Stop it.

EDIT:  And in Fallout 3, you had to actually choose your race on the character selection screen.  I could just imagine the complaints we'd see when only 4-5 races were listed and everyone else felt excluded.  Bad idea.

Modifié par Seifz, 23 août 2010 - 07:13 .

[saruman31]

We could merge this thread with the "i want vampires" one and create Wesley Snipes. Then everyone will be happy.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Seifz wrote...

Please stop calling white people caucasian.  It's absolutely wrong.  It's just as bad as "African American" and whatnot.  Stop it.

EDIT:  And in Fallout 3, you had to actually choose your race on the character selection screen.  I could just imagine the complaints we'd see when only 4-5 races were listed and everyone else felt excluded.  Bad idea.

I am not interested in finding terms that may or may not offend some. Somebody somewhere will be offended no matter what term I use. And I rarely comply to orders by strangers.

It looks to me that "complaints" on this forum is a word used to indicicate that you don't agree with a certain topic. It's usually hollow, because it rarely comes with reason to accompany it. The same goes for you in this case. In both your paragraphs.

[pizoxuat]

Seifz wrote...


EDIT:  And in Fallout 3, you had to actually choose your race on the character selection screen.  I could just imagine the complaints we'd see when only 4-5 races were listed and everyone else felt excluded.  Bad idea.

A script could be written to generate family members that are +1 to -1 skin tone from the player character and do the same with hair color.  If you wanted to get fancy, a script could even be written to automatically apply all settings the player character used for, say, their nose to their mother and their jaw to their father, to increase the family resemblence.

Modifié par pizoxuat, 23 août 2010 - 07:32 .