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[Carmen_Willow]

Yes, I get it.  She's preachy and a know-it-all, who mother/smothers. 

Wynne was one of the few people in the game who actually seemed to notice how things were going with the Warden and would try to help.  I may not have always liked her advice, but at least she was there to give it unlike many others who were only wrapped up in their own needs.

I particularly liked the conversation we had when I said something to the effect of "It's never going to be normal again, is it?"  Wynne was someone I could go to in the game and expressed doubts and fears to without worrying that she would fall apart at the seams.  In my early days of playing Dragon Age, she was my in-game counselor.

Yes, after many games, she got a little long-winded, but not when what she had to say was brand new.

So go ahead and trash her, but I will not.  Like everyone else in this game, she's human with flaws of her own, but she cared enough about me to help me keep going when things were bad, and I was scared. So, I like the preachy school marm, and she will always have a place in my DA:O camp.

[TJPags]

Yea, I kind of like Wynne.  Preachy?  A little.  She reminds me of a grandmother - they get preachy too.
Besides, she tells me stories about Griffons. 

[Zjarcal]

Her dialogue at the Circle Tower when you're a blood mage is what did it for me.

Her preachiness I can ignore, as well as her "love advice", or her constant shouting of platitudes. But trying to expose my mage after she saved her stupid Circle, I simply couldn't take. It strikes me as one of the most hypocritical things one could do. She doesn't say anything while we're clearing the tower and is more than happy to use my help, but once it's all done it's time to expose the "maleficar".

If she had complained about my spells while we were clearing the tower or if she had talked about it in private in the camp, it would've been different. But bringing the subject up while a group of Templars and the First Enchanter were surrounding me? Way to show how "grateful" you are Wynne.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 23 août 2010 - 02:57 .

[Sarah1281]

I just hope the people here aren't the type to insist that there are only four reasons to dislike Wynne:

1) You hate your grandmother

2) You hate mentors

3) You hate wisdom

4) You think you know better than everybody else

[Chuvvy]

I wish I could focus all of my hate into a beam and fire it at Wynne.

[TJPags]

She never actually gives any wisdom, nothing earth shaking or "oh, wow, that's deep, I never thought of it like that" . . . but she means well.



And she's pretty funny when you travel around with her.

[CalJones]

What I don't like about Wynne is that she's a hypocrite. She's a loyalist, in the fraternity sense, yet she can't wait to leave the tower when she has the chance.

She regrets what she did to Aneirin, yet as soon as she discovers he's alive, she tries to get him to go back to the Circle again.

She spends the whole game reminding you of your Warden duties, but if you're a mage, she also asks you to think about returnng to the Circle and being First Enchanter after the Aneirin encounter.
Likewise she knows how important the wardens are, and how few there are left of you, but she'll still try to kill you on a couple of occassions.

She also interferes in your love life, and the things she says if you are romancing Zevran are particularly vile.
Also, I don't get the age thing. Facially, she doesn't look that old. She also confesses to having a son about Alistair's age (so 20-25) which means she can't be older than 60, tops, and is probably in her 50s. Yet she bangs on about how terribly old she is. Grief, woman. Loghain's jumping ten feet in the air to stab ogres in the face at his age. It's not that frickin' old.

I don't hate Wynne enough to kill her and in games where I'm not playing a mage and have no plans to do the DR, I'm pretty much forced to take her along. But when I'm playing a mage, I finish the tower and then refuse her offer to come with me. The game is more enjoyable for me that way.

Modifié par CalJones, 23 août 2010 - 05:56 .

[Sarah1281]

I have yet to be able to turn Wynne down because of how she plays it and that annoys me. Why does she ask Irving if she can go before asking me? If I don't want her coming it doesn't matter what Irving or Greagoir say about it. Her getting permission, though, makes me feel guilty for just leaving her there...

[Zjarcal]

I admit, since I can't even bear the thought of going through the Circle Tower with Wynne yet again (not to mention, getting her horrible Fade dream), I just let Morrigan jump in the conversation when you first meet up with Wynne and follow her advice to save them all from this "half life". Apparently having an apostate advisor angers the preachy mage, who'd have thought that....


Whoops, looks like we had a misunderstanding...

It may be slightly OOC for most of my PCs, but I just can't take her with me again. And of course, if I'm playing a mage (in which case I'm forced to take her because stating a desire to side with the Templars for even a second is a no-no for that character), the blood mage confrontation at the end of the quest is more than enough reason to turn her away.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 23 août 2010 - 06:27 .

[Liliandra Nadiar]

I like her well enough. She can do her job fantastically, I take all her advice with a pitcher of salt though. Her 'love life advice' is always the worst point for me, I would've thought having someone specific to fight for, rather then the nebulous 'all of Fereldan' would be a good thing. My Dalish went with the basic idea that 'I can't save thousands upon thousands of humans and dwarves and elves, it's too much, but I can save Leliana'.* The other part of her that tends to annoy me is her moments where she speaks to my warden as though they're a child yet to hit puberty and totally ignorant of the world. This ignores the fact that as a Circle mage, most of my Wardens have likely seen more of the world the she has.



*Concept blatantly ripped off of the movie The Core

[asaiasai]

I always liked Wynne because she understands duty. Duty to oneself, but duty to others as well. She really put the wardens into perspective for me when i first started playing DAO, we are never off duty, we get all the dirty jobs normal people can not or will not do, and i honestly feels she cares for the warden and the party. Wynne is with the warden because someone has to be and she is the right character at the right time doing the job for no other reason than it needs to be done. There is no personal gain for Wynne in following the warden, yet she is there. Can not ask for a more loyal character to get your back.



Wynne while not my favorite character, is an indespensable asset, sure she has a few faults and flaws, which character in the game does not. I can not tell you how many times in my 19 completed plays of DAO that Wynne just being there turned defeat into victory.



Yea Wynne!

Asai

[CalJones]

I just tell her "I think you're needed here" - which she is, given how the tower has been decimated. I don't feel bad about that. I'd feel worse about taking a mage away when they are clearly needed to rebuild.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Her naive idea of the Wardens made me laugh. Even as a recruit, I understood what the Wardens were about and they definately don't fit Wynne's funny naive idea. I could almost swear that Wynne was Cailan's nanny. I don't mind preachy if there is some wisdom to be had, but Wynne offers none.

But the reason I dislike her as a character is because I feel she offers nothing. But that's just my opinion, I am fully aware she has positive points as well.

[Bahlgan]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I just hope the people here aren't the type to insist that there are only four reasons to dislike Wynne:
1) You hate your grandmother
2) You hate mentors
3) You hate wisdom
4) You think you know better than everybody else

Anyone who hates Wynne instantly falls under these categories. Personally, I love Wynne, and have no reason to hate her or wish her dead. I DO, like several, find her preaching annoying at a few times, but I can see past the bull**** that most others seem to fail at.

[CalJones]

The main problem with Wynne isn't Wynne but the lack of dialogue options to reply to her as in an adult fashion.

[Eudaemonium]

Wynn is preachy and gets on my nerves at times, but I do like her. Though, I definitely love a lot of her dialogue with the other companions a *lot* more than the dialogue with the PC. Though I don't seem to have the same visceral reaction to her 'love' talks as some people do, as bad as they can be at times. Though, I'm not certain I've heard the Zevran one, which is apparently the worst.

I also tend to think that her 'saving your love or saving everybody else' speech only makes full sense if you put it in the context of a female Warden romancing Alistair when you get to the DR decision. I think under other situations it can feel a bit hollow at times.

She thinks the Warden should be for everyone because she's jealous and wants in on the action.

[Sarah1281]

asaiassai wrote...

There is no personal gain for Wynne in following the warden, yet she is there. 

Yep, no personal gain at all...unless you count the fact that she gets to leave the Tower and doesn't have to stay there and deal with the aftermath of Uldred and risk the Templars finding out she's an abomination.

Bahlgan wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I just hope the people here aren't the type to insist that there are only four reasons to dislike Wynne:
1) You hate your grandmother
2) You hate mentors
3) You hate wisdom
4) You think you know better than everybody else

Anyone who hates Wynne instantly falls under these categories. Personally, I love Wynne, and have no reason to hate her or wish her dead. I DO, like several, find her preaching annoying at a few times, but I can see past the bull**** that most others seem to fail at.

I do sincerely hope that you aren't serious. I dislike Wynne. She does not in any way remind me of either of my grandmothers. I really have no problem with mentor figures if I'm convinced that they are in any way wise and qualified to mentor me. I don't feel that I know better than everybody else although I will concede that I've long been convinced that I know better than Wynne.

[DWSmiley]

Wynne is preachy but at an age where she might be focused on kntting, she instead goes to Ostagar, rounds up the survivors at the Tower, volunteers to join the Warden and accompanies Shale on her quest to regain mortality. Gotta respect that.

[Carmen_Willow]

asaiasai wrote...

I always liked Wynne because she understands duty. Duty to oneself, but duty to others as well. She really put the wardens into perspective for me when i first started playing DAO, we are never off duty, we get all the dirty jobs normal people can not or will not do, and i honestly feels she cares for the warden and the party. Wynne is with the warden because someone has to be and she is the right character at the right time doing the job for no other reason than it needs to be done. There is no personal gain for Wynne in following the warden, yet she is there. Can not ask for a more loyal character to get your back.

Wynne while not my favorite character, is an indespensable asset, sure she has a few faults and flaws, which character in the game does not. I can not tell you how many times in my 19 completed plays of DAO that Wynne just being there turned defeat into victory.

Yea Wynne!
Asai

You said it very well.  Thanks.

[Dean_the_Young]

Wynn has the nerve to have a sense of public and private duty, a working moral code, and the need to stand by it when she sees others doing wrong.



The nerve!

[errant_knight]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Wynn has the nerve to have a sense of public and private duty, a working moral code, and the need to stand by it when she sees others doing wrong.

The nerve!

Yep, I like Wynne, and I like it that her values aren't something she'll put aside when it's easy or convenient. Alistair is the same, but he's forced to tolerate a warden who goes againt everything he believes because of his commitment to ending the blight (and for gameplay reasons.) They're similar in their views, though, and there's a reason they like each other, and yet people seem to come down a lot harder on Wynne. A little mothering never felt onerous to my warden haveing lost his/hers so recently, and I don't imagine that being brought to task by Wynne was much different than what Eleanor would have said, and probably was more gently put.

[Sarah1281]

Being told that Wynne hopes the darkspawn take you when she knows that doing that would doom the country (and yes, she really does believe that or so she tells you) is still a WTF moment for me. Justification for this? 

Modifié par Sarah1281, 23 août 2010 - 04:57 .