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[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

If you ever lose the link, just search for 'Abominable.' That's what I always do and it's the only result.

I take it that's a therapeutic practice for you Sarah? 

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

If you ever lose the link, just search for 'Abominable.' That's what I always do and it's the only result.

I take it that's a therapeutic practice for you Sarah? 

...Maybe.

[rak72]

Which mod has her throwing you under the bus for the blood magic? Blood mage is the first specialty I choose for her - just for spite.

[Addai]

rak72 wrote...

Which mod has her throwing you under the bus for the blood magic? Blood mage is the first specialty I choose for her - just for spite.

It's an optional file in Dialogue Tweaks.

[Zjarcal]

rak72 wrote...

Which mod has her throwing you under the bus for the blood magic? Blood mage is the first specialty I choose for her - just for spite.

http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=336

Look for the "bloodmage package" file. The reason why it's an optional file is because, as was noted earlier in this thread, there's a potential game-breaking situation here. If you are exposed as a blood mage and get attacked by the Templars and Mages, you will lose both of them as allies and the game will assume that you haven't completed all the treaty quests, thus not allowing you to advance to the Landsmeet.

The optional file does include a fix for this. It allows you to retcon the events of that confrontation, giving you the option to choose an ally between the Templars and Mages.

If you use the persuade options however (and are successful at them), there won't be any problems. And you get to watch Irving tell Wynne to STFU. Glorious!

Modifié par Zjarcal, 27 août 2010 - 05:13 .

[rak72]

Thanks, can't wait to try it

[mousestalker]

Zjarcal wrote...

If you use the persuade options however (and are successful at them), there won't be any problems. And you get to watch Irving tell Wynne to STFU. Glorious!

Which is why I use it. Then make Wynne a blood mage afterwards. She really has an authority fetish doesn't she?

[Zjarcal]

There really should have been some sort of reaction from Wynne for turning her into a blood mage.

Wynne: Warden, you want me to be a maleficar? Are you insane?
Warden: We need to stop the blight. You'd be more useful if you could do something other than healing.
Wynne: Warden, I don't think....
Warden: Besides, you're a healer. You can cut your veins as much as you want and then heal yourself. It's perfect!
Wynne: I will not turn to dark magic just because you want me to!
Warden: Really? Your character sheet says you're a blood mage already. You don't get a say in it.
Wynne: What? What are you talking about?
Warden: This is a game Wynne, and its developers thought so little of your opinion (or so much of mine!) that if I say you're a blood mage, you're a blood mage. End of story. From now on, when I call for Wynnie the Poo, that's your cue to start the bloodworks.
Wynne: I should have stayed in the Circle.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 27 août 2010 - 11:00 .

[rak72]

I just did the blood mage scene. It would be nice if we could say to her back in camp:

Wynne, you said before that you were unfamiliar with my spells. Well, are these more to your likeing?



Then throw a petrify & stone fist at her.



That was sooo wrong, then she still follows you, you can't tell her to get lost.

[Zjarcal]

Petrify and stone fist combo? I like it.



And I didn't let Wynne follow me after the blood mage confrontation. I picked the line "I don't need you tagging along and nagging at me".

[Giggles_Manically]

I was more annoyed with Wynne as a mage, than any other Origin.

While I think Templars, Circles, and the control are good things myself (Abominations down aisle 4, Blood Mages on aisle 6). My mage did not and he had to tell her a thousand times:

NO! I am not going back to the phallus shaped building.

[Avilia]

My first few playthroughs I didn't mind Wynne much. She seemed to mean well and even if most of her advice is useless, well, she's entitled to her say. As time moved on however, she wore out her welcome in my camp.



I realised it was my own fault if she was annoying me. I am the one in control aren't I. Its my game and I can organise it however I like. So, nowadays, the last thing she says to me is "You will enter this tower over my dead body." (paraphrased if its not quite right).



Getting her to agg without losing approval from Ali is the only thing I find Morrigan useful for (er but that's another topic entirely ;-) )

[Addai]

Yeah I do think it's a factor of wearing on me over time, too. I look at shots of my 1st pt and see Leliana and Wynne in almost all of them. Ha! How times have changed! Whereas Zevran, Sten and Morrigan all grew on me. Shale and Alistair were love at first snark and that's held pretty much steady.

Modifié par Addai67, 27 août 2010 - 09:21 .

[Zjarcal]

Same here. I liked Wynne on my first playthough but then again that first playthrough was all about exploring everything the game had to offer, so missing out on companions and their dialogue was a no-no. I did her quest and got her to 90+ approval and it was all fine.


Then on my second playthrough where I was more in character and actually reacting to what characters were saying (as opposed to simply agreeing to gain approval) it wasn't so nice.


On my third run, as a blood mage, she stayed in the tower, nagging at the templars most likely.


And on my current run... well, it was a similar situation to the one described by Avila. As depicted on the screenshot I posted on the first page of this thread! It's so great that you can actually get her to attack you out of her own will. Makes me feel like I was simply defending myself...:innocent:

Modifié par Zjarcal, 27 août 2010 - 09:29 .

[PriscilaSSR]

Why you are all defending the Zevran romance in this topic? I don't get it.

So, Wynne doesn't like Zevran attitude towards sex. At first I didn't either, he flirted with everything; it made me uncomfortable before getting to know him. Still I adore him to pieces and think he is funny and romantic as hell.
Wynne says what she says because she doesn't really know him, and his attitude normally doesn't really give anyone a good impression (their banter doesn't help things, he avoids everything with sex talk, which is funny as hell, but frustrating to the old lady. At least she tried.). She also can't follow the approval meter to know he’s in Adore or Love, without it can be very hard for a NPC to believe that he cares for someone deeply.

She obviously doesn't like Zevran, and is warmer towards Leliana and Alistair. (I wonder what she says about Morrigan...). So, yes, she's harsher with him. Sadly I can see where she comes from because Zevran knows what he’s doing, he actually does on purpose. Maybe it’s for fun, maybe it’s his way of keeping people distant, either way, it really works and makes Wynne suspicious of his intentions (and worried that the Warden is not taking anything serious). In the end he could just laugh at Wynne's comment and move on, so did my Wardens.

I don't get it why it annoys you guys so much.

About the blood mage thingy... She doesn't like blood mages, well, folks, neither does Alistair and 90% of Felderen. Maybe Alistair gives you a free pass because you're his friend and/or only Warden left (free passes last until you decide to not kill Loghain, of course). But most people will kill you if they knew, or run away far away. Like I said, earlier, she got principles. Yes, she "betrays" you on some cut content. Big deal sucks to be you, blood mage. (Actually, sucks to be her, as you can kill her...?). Really, turning her into a blood mage just “to spite her”? That’s… Well, no offense intended, but, that’s a little too extreme (and too much meta). Reminds me of a mod who let you slap Morrigan… Too much hate for a NPC.

Anyways, some people like her and don't see her as preachy, annoying or a hypocrite. Acknowledge that and move on. I thought this thread was to people defend her and show they like her, not a place keep trying to argue taste (a pointless task).

[Addai]

PriscilaSSR wrote...

Anyways, some people like her and don't see her as preachy, annoying or a hypocrite. Acknowledge that and move on. I thought this thread was to people defend her and show they like her, not a place keep trying to argue taste (a pointless task).

Yes, it was a love thread, until someone started theorizing on the moral defects of Wynne haters.

Do you- does anyone- know how utterly irritating the phrase "move on" is?

Modifié par Addai67, 27 août 2010 - 10:34 .

[Sarah1281]

Why you are all defending the Zevran romance in this topic? I don't get it.

Because someone said Wynne is right to give you a nasty speech about him. And it IS nasty even if you can imagine and have even heard worse. And it's none of her business who you choose as a LI and unsolicitated advice (and poor advice at that) is really annoying.

Really, turning her into a blood mage just “to spite her”? That’s… Well, no offense intended, but, that’s a little too extreme (and too much meta). Reminds me of a mod who let you slap Morrigan… Too much hate for a NPC.

Really? Activating a useless specialization on her that she never acknowledges in the game is going too far? If she had a breakdown or something once she became a blood mage and people did it anyway then I could see your concern but does it really make a difference?

And I can assure you that if, say, Zevran had felt the need to inform Greagoir that you were a blood mage the minute the Circle's fate was resolved or anybody else for that matter that I would be just as pissed as I was when Wynne did it and I'm sure others feel the same way. It doesn't matter that her hatred is common, how she acts on it is still stupid and plenty worthy of resentment.

Edit: Alistair, as an almost Templar, has just as much motivation as Wynne to betray you to Greagoir and had he done it I'd hold him just as accountable. He doesn't, though, because he knows just like Wynne does that GW are needed (and he has no more information on why than she does) and he's not so appalling ungrateful for what you've done for him. Although, really, stayed with him seems slightly less deserving of gratitude than nearly single-handedly preventing the annulment of the Circle and probably saving Wynne's second life.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 27 août 2010 - 10:40 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Wynne tries to sound wise, but all she does is, make her self sound like a preachy snob.

Seriously though, she just shouts out Chantry dogma, and is horrified if you dont agree with her.

[CalJones]

Y'know, I'd love to say to Wynne "You know that sweet Chantry sister you like so much? She used to an Orlesian assassin who routinely seduced her victims."

Then watch as she had an embolism.

[Elhanan]

Rather have Wynne than Zev. I have never killed her, but sometimes leave Zev in that ravine to reconsider his past choices.

[Zjarcal]

CalJones wrote...

Y'know, I'd love to say to Wynne "You know that sweet Chantry sister you like so much? She used to an Orlesian assassin who routinely seduced her victims."
Then watch as she had an embolism.

That would've been funny!

Something similar would happen with Alistair if you told him about Duncan's past. How I wish we could see his face in that scenario!

EDIT: Gah, but this is the Wynnie the Poo 2.0 thread, no need to derail it.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 28 août 2010 - 07:17 .

[CalJones]

Unfortunately, Duncan never tells you about his past in game...the only way to know that is if you read the Calling and then pretend he told you on your journey to Ostagar. I would love to know if Alistair was aware of it, though...from the way he speaks of Duncan, I have a feeling he doesn't.

My current game (first time with a Cousland female) has turned into a bit of an Alistair hate game. The subject of her family's massacre came up at Flemmeth's hut. A moment later I clicked on him accidentally and did the "do you want to speak about Duncan convo" and he asked if she'd lost anyone close. YES I JUST TOLD YOU, MORON!

So things didn't go well from there. She was polite to him for a bit, figuring he was just addled through grief and being knocked unconscious by the tower ogre, but then the bit about the premature warden death came up. Given this is a Cousland who was conscripted against her will...and whose father had asked her to carry on the family name if they died, she was not happy and told him Duncan deserved what he got. Since then, relations have been frosty, to say the least.

I've had to recruit Wynne as well (I needed a healer for that damn Redcliffe night battle, so...) As my Cousland isn't romancing anyone, I might get away with not hating her this run. But we'll see how it goes. It's generally my mages who dislike her due to their Circle-as-prison view. Still, it's worth leaving her alive just to hear Ines slag her off in Awakening.

[ejoslin]

HNF... I can't picture playing HNF without marrying Alistair and being the Teyrna of Gwarin with Zevran. Wynne can be dead. She can be alive. In my endings, she always is irrelevant.



And I don't get how you can go "too far" with a fictional character.



Another example of Wynne spouting platitudes rather than giving wise advice. Take your city elf to the Guardian with her and have Wynne tell you that it was your actions that caused Shianni's rape. Yes, she says the same thing to everyone, despite the origins. Her advice is generic and only sometimes appropriate.



And, well, talk to her after Alistair does the Ultimate Sacrifice, especially if you're a female who romanced him. Oooooooh!

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont get mad at Wynne.

My PC goes and then makes out with whoever she just said was a bad person, or would corrupt my Warden.