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[Axekix]

jln.francisco wrote...

Axekix wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Bahlgan wrote...
3. Wynne has wisdom - This would rather be a blatant reason and is the most childish reason to dislike Wynne, so if anyone who is jealous that someone is smarter than themselves, this would be the prime example. Although to be jealous of someone is to depreciate your own material, sentimental, and personal values.

What wisdom?
I am really curious, what in particular do you find wise about Wynne? Because I saw no wisdom at all, only pretentions of wsidom. No once did I go "hmm that's deep" from all of Wynne's dialogue. I saw a wisdom in all companions, marked by their specific experiences, but I saw no wisdom at all in Wynne. She made absolutely no mark on me intellectualy or emotionally.

I'd say Wynne has quite a bit of wisdom with regards to responsibility/duty and more specifically the chantry/mage "conflict."  It's much more apparent with a mage PC though, especially in her talks about the future of the tower after the Anerin side quest.

Really because I play a mage 7/10 times and every conversation I have with her leaves me beyond frustrated I can't respond the way I would in real life. That women is bigger hotbed of logical fallacies, poor reasoning and just plain dumb **** then Leli, Sten and Morrigan combined.

How so?  Which conversations are you referring to?

[Bahlgan]

[quote]Why are you taking it so personally that we don't like Wynne? I know you said that she reminds you of your grandmother but she is NOT your grandmother. We are not insulting your grandmother.[/quote]

I never said anything about Wynne reminding me of my grandmother. You were the one who posted that you were hoping that the grandmother deal wasn't one of the reasons why people disliked her. I was merely pointing out that others would categorize her based on others' grandmothers and other members of the family.

[quote]Ha, I didn't read that. If that's indeed what caused him to be this narrowminded, then it might be best to leave it at that yea.[/quote]

Much as I find it funny that your lack of reading comprehension completely placed you in a position to misunderstand my point of argument, I still kind of find it disturbing that there are many others like yourself who are not willing to read back on the thread before posting mindlessly laughing at others.

[quote]Really because I play a mage 7/10 times and every conversation I have with her leaves me beyond frustrated I can't respond the way I would in real life. That women is bigger hotbed of logical fallacies, poor reasoning and just plain dumb **** then Leli, Sten and Morrigan combined.[/quote]

Don't you think you're sound just a bit like a child? I mean if people are calling ME judgmental because of me standing up for Wynne, what are they to call you for idealizing her as the dumbest party member in the game? 

[quote]What wisdom?
I am really curious, what in particular do you find wise about Wynne? Because I saw no wisdom at all, only pretentions of wsidom. No once did I go "hmm that's deep" from all of Wynne's dialogue. I saw a wisdom in all companions, marked by their specific experiences, but I saw no wisdom at all in Wynne. She made absolutely no mark on me intellectualy or emotionally.[quote]

As if irrationally quick isn't good enough for you, I also read a tad bit of biased nonsense and an event in your past which causes a tad bit of a bigoted response towards her moral views. I believed Wynne's conversations about the Grey Wardens and them leading a normal life was morally invigorating. I enjoyed the lessons she tried to teach me between the Chantry's revered mothers and the Circle Magi and how similar they really were with their lack of freedom based on having been taught nothing but how to devote themselves as children. If you so quick to dismiss literally everything she says, just because she tried to break you and lil' Leliana up, then that is just sad. 

Modifié par Bahlgan, 24 août 2010 - 02:19 .

[Sarah1281]

I disagree. This was on page two of this very thread:

Bahlgan wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...



I do sincerely hope that you aren't serious. I dislike Wynne. She does not in any way remind me of either of my grandmothers. I really have no problem with mentor figures if I'm convinced that they are in any way wise and qualified to mentor me. I don't feel that I know better than everybody else although I will concede that I've long been convinced that I know better than Wynne.

Sounds like you had some really awesome grandmothers then, cause a few of mine are exactly like Wynne.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Bahlgan wrote...

Ha, I didn't read that. If that's indeed what caused him to be this narrowminded, then it might be best to leave it at that yea.

Much as I find it funny that your lack of reading comprehension completely placed you in a position to misunderstand my point of argument, I still kind of find it disturbing that there are many others like yourself who are not willing to read back on the thread before posting mindlessly laughing at others.

Hence, the "if" in my post. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Nor was I laughing at you specifically, unless what she said was true. Apparently it isn't. My apologies.    

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Strangely, I think well of her because of her efforts to distill a sense of self-respect and honor in the Warden. Simply because she is not a Warden doesn't mean she doesn't have true points: Wardens exist not only for what they see themselves as, after all, but how the rest of the world sees them. If Wardens don't remember that others look to them as heroes and protectors, if they become to self-centered, self-interested, and self-focused as an organization, the rest of the world becomes more like people like Loghain, who look at the Wardens with suspicion and even fear. The Wardens can't have a presence without the acceptance of the rest, and so even the most self-centric Warden, if for no other reason than self-interest, should recognize the Duty that Wardens have for the world. Even if you, personally, don't like having a concious to nag you, it really is a good thing to have.


Much of Wynn's talks are similar to aspects of Western military training's character development for officers. Character development is a surprisingly large part of the non-tactical side of the officer corps: not only of themselves, but trying to push it and encourage it in the ranks as well. It's a large part of why modern Western militaries are some of the most disciplined, restrained, and self-correcting armies in history.

I have to disagree slighty with you here. Wynne wants to intsill a sense of honor in what she sees a Grey Warden as. She sees the Wardens as protectors and heroes. She is not a Warden. She has an outsiders perspective, which is useful to see things from a different angle, but does not have access to all the Warden secrets/details.

Duncan is/was the Commander of the Grey in Fereldan with nearly 30 years as a Warden, his word I'll trust on what a Warden is and does. By Duncan, a Warden is concered with two things, and two things only:
 1) Defeat Darkspawn by any means nescesary
 2) End Blights by any means nescesary

How others see the Warden is not  even a concideration. If burning a village with all citizens still in it is needed to contain the taint of Darkspawn, then the Wardens will get the torches. In that, the Wardens creed isn't all different then Loghain's obsession. Yes, working with other forces is required and usefull in carrying out their duties but mostly only because it's less efficient then fighting Darkspawn and local forces at the same time.

Modifié par Liliandra Nadiar, 24 août 2010 - 02:35 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ignoring your petty attempts to play junior psychologist, I will try to answer that which can be answered in what you wrote.

Bahlgan wrote...

I believed Wynne's conversations about the Grey Wardens and them leading a normal life was morally invigorating.

I didn't happen to believe what you believe. My goodness, I must hate wisdom.
I didn't believe Wynne said anything worthwile about the Wardens at all, due to the fact that she is very ignorant of them. If I am lookign for info on the Wadens, I would listen to Duncan, Riordan and Alsitair, thank you.

Bahlgan wrote...
 I enjoyed the lessons she tried to teach me between the Chantry's revered mothers and the Circle Magi and how similar they really were with their lack of freedom based on having been taught nothing but how to devote themselves as children.

Oh, so I must enjoy what you enjoy, so I don't get labelled as a hater of wisdom by your eminiscence?
The fact that revered mothers lack freedom is common knowledge, I dont' need Wynne to tell me that and in the event that she does, I won't qualify it as wisdom. Just an ok conversation that didn't bring anything new or worthwhile to me. 

Excluding the fact that her analogy is false, as non-mage chidren are not kidnaped by the Chantry and thrown in a tower. Sisters and reverred mothers are so mostly so by their own choice (influenced by education, no doubt), or certainly excersize much more choice than circle mages.

Bahlgan wrote...
If you so quick to dismiss literally everything she says, just because she tried to break you and lil' Leliana up, then that is just sad. 

I didn't romance Leliana.
Nor would I give a damn about what she happens to say about who I decide to like. That's not a reason at all. I am completely indifferent to her opinion on this matter, aka it's as if I didn't even hear her opinion.

I suggest you stop making baseless assumptions, it truly is making your posts look like sad rants. A sad waste of time for all involved. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 août 2010 - 02:51 .

[TJPags]

jln.francisco wrote...

Don't mean to reveal myself for the uneducated idiot I am but, what exactly is 'wisdom?' It's always sounded like something so vague and meaningless to me. Almost the exact opposite of knowledge.

It is.  One person's wisdom is another person's load of crap. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

jln.francisco wrote...

Don't mean to reveal myself for the uneducated idiot I am but, what exactly is 'wisdom?' It's always sounded like something so vague and meaningless to me. Almost the exact opposite of knowledge.

classical Philoshopies will tell you that wisdom is the knowledge on how to lead the "proper life" .  Since "proper life" is a subjective term, then wisdom is by implication also subjective. Some people may find wisdom in things that other people do not. Though I question the wisdom of people who claim others hate wisdom when they have different opinions.

No one here was focusing on wisdom that much, exept someone who decided to categorise those who dislike Wynne as potential "wsidom haters". 

In my personal opinion, someone who is ignorant of something, cannot claim to be wise in that specific thing. Wynne's ignorance of the Wardens thus makes her, imo, unwise about the issue and pretentious because she pretends that she is.  
No where did I, or anyone, suggest that those who happen to like Wynne's dialogue are haters of wisdom. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 août 2010 - 02:46 .

[Sarah1281]

To me, wisdom is when someone can give you solid advice based not on their intellect but on their life experiences. For DA, it would be like if you were romancing Alistair and had to break up with him so he could be King and Fiona gave you some pointers on how to handle that or if Riordan took the time to explain how Grey Wardens operate during peace time and how to deal with the fact that you feel you should be fighting darkspawn and instead have to make nice with the rulers of your nation.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 24 août 2010 - 02:47 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

To me, wisdom is when someone can give you solid advice based not on their intellect but on their life experiences. For DA, it would be like if you were romancing Alistair and had to break up with him so he could be King and Fiona gave you some pointers on how to handle that or if Riordan too the time to explain how Grey Wardens operate during peace time and how to deal with the fact that you feel you should be fighting darkspawn and instead have to make nice with the rulers of your nation.

In which case, Wynne can only give *solid* advice to a mage, as considering their condition, their life experience is mostly confined in the tower. But I don't recall anything she said to my mages as being worthwhile ( I rped that one of them did enjoy what Wynne had to say, but I personally didn't).

She is not qualified, imo, to give advice to Wardens on how to be Wardens.

[Addai]

jln.francisco wrote...

Don't mean to reveal myself for the uneducated idiot I am but, what exactly is 'wisdom?' It's always sounded like something so vague and meaningless to me. Almost the exact opposite of knowledge.

Wynne spouts platitudes.  They sound profound until you think about them for half a tick and then I, at least, conclude, "you don't know what the hell you're talking about."  The Guardian has Wynne's number.

Like I said upthread, it doesn't mean she's a terrible person.  In a lot of ways she is a tragic person.  I see her exhibiting Stockholm Syndrome.  She can tell Alistair "you got away from the Chantry just in time" but she wants to put Aneirin and the Warden mage right back into the frying pan.  She's an abomination herself but would condemn a blood mage.

I've said it on other threads, but I always get the feeling like people who praise Wynne as the camp mom have a pretty shallow view of her character.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

Don't mean to reveal myself for the uneducated idiot I am but, what exactly is 'wisdom?' It's always sounded like something so vague and meaningless to me. Almost the exact opposite of knowledge.

Wynne spouts platitudes.  They sound profound until you think about them for half a tick and then I, at least, conclude, "you don't know what the hell you're talking about."  The Guardian has Wynne's number.

They don't even sound profound to me...
It doesn't mean I get frustrated or even annoyed when she speaks. In fact, my reaction is very adequately sumarised by this 

Meaning that I am very indifferent to what she is saying and find taht there is nothing worthwhile. As a person, I don't dislike her even, I am almost compeltely indifferent. And it's because of that that I dislike her as a *character* (not person). Because she makes no difference to me at all.

But nowhere did I claim that those who feel differently are idiots, or psycologically disturbed, or jealous, re full of crap when I fail to come up with fancy baseless accusations.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 août 2010 - 03:40 .

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I dislike Wynne not because I think that she is a horrible person - although she does have some extremely bad qualities - but rather because she annoys the hell out of me. Just like IRL, does there need to be some point-by-point analysis of why this is so? Some people are just annoying and to me Wynne falls into that category. I'm sure you have a character in the game (or in other games or in a movie/book/TV show) that does the same.

Edit: I'm not actually trying to convince anyone that they should 'see the light' and abandon their Wynne love, you know.

(Husband posting)

I am sick of Wynn by now myself.   She's a character that does not wear well with multiple game plays.   The lecturing kind of builds up like toxins in the body.


One big point of contention coming from return to Ostagar, is potential hypocrisy.   She lectures your warden to try to be some kind of celibate monk type person.   Meanwhile not only has she had some past relationships herself., but she seems to be currently flirting with Alistair!    I understand for many female players that is a real WTF moment.

Modifié par Addai67, 24 août 2010 - 03:22 .

[CalJones]

Wynne's digusting comment to Alistair at the end of RtO comes out of nowhere. In the main game she acts motherly to him - he's an orphan, and she has a son his age who was taken from her, so that's not surprising. But the main game and RtO had different writers, and it shows in that particular dialogue.

Regarding the abomination angle, is this actually confirmed? We know that she has a fade spirit keeping her alive and it has been mooted by some that it's actually a pride demon, but I've never seen any formal confirmation of that fact.

[Gnoster]

Personally I have always had something against Wynne - mainly for her somewhat "I know better" attitude. Sort of like I have a thing annoying me about Morrigan, who gets a negative effect for very single positive act you commit in the game. This annoys me just as much as Wynne, so in my playthroughs it always comes down to who is the better healer, and that is Wynne simple for the fact that she gets a special spell, which Morrigan can't get.



Honestly though if I put my mind to it, I can find some nnoying things about all the characters. At the moment I am "gearing my RP mind" to be ready for Human Male Noble SnS warrior run, where I want to save Loghain and become king, and honestly Alistair's jest remarks and his utterly undecisiveness and lack of realism and wanting to do what is right in the end by saving as many wardens as possible is actually starting to get to me. Can't wait for that playthrough and letting Anora execute him ;-)



Anyway, such small things I can find with them:

- Wynne's "I know better than everyone else" attitude

- Morrigan's for every good deed you do, I get -5 to my attitude toward you

- Alistair for his constant jesting, undecisiveness, and unwillingness to do what is needed

- Leliana's constant belief in the Maker (as an atheist myself I have a hard time listening to that sort of talk for a prolonged time)

- Sten's constant refusal to even contemplate that anyone other than quenari can be right (though he do admits his respect for the warden in the end, which is a rather cool ending imo).

- Zevran's character overall. Honestly he is my least favorite character, his ccent, his stories, his constant "shall we have sex" attitude.

- Dog.... hmmm must be something, maybe my warden got fleas from him :-)

- Loghain - don't know, never used him yet as a companion.



So in conclusion to a long wall of text, Wynne really isn't too bad since ll have some character flaw, most likely including my warden characters :-)

[Eudaemonium]

CalJones wrote...

Wynne's digusting comment to Alistair at the end of RtO comes out of nowhere. In the main game she acts motherly to him - he's an orphan, and she has a son his age who was taken from her, so that's not surprising. But the main game and RtO had different writers, and it shows in that particular dialogue.
Regarding the abomination angle, is this actually confirmed? We know that she has a fade spirit keeping her alive and it has been mooted by some that it's actually a pride demon, but I've never seen any formal confirmation of that fact.

Well, it kinda depends on what exactly you consider an abomination. I don't really see much difference between Spirits and Demons except which emotion/feeling seems to enforce their existence (Rage or Pride or Justice or Valour, etcetera). In the end they're all 'fade beings' of some description. Wynne is a human who has been possessed by/bonded with a fade being. She thinks it is a Spirit of Faith, maybe she's wrong. At the end of the day I don't think the Chantry/Circle would look too differently on her situation than if she had a Pride Demon in her.

Re: Wynne's attitude, I do agree with an above poster that she exhibits Stockholm syndrome to a degree.

[CalJones]

I think it's noteworthy that in one of the conversations she has with you, she tells you how she went to the Circle and how, when she arrived, she knew she was "home".

For me, the idea of being locked in a tower, unable to go out, feel the grass under your bare feet, the wind in your hair, the bustle of the city or the peace of walking among trees...is utterly repellant. And my mage character tend to be of the same mindset as Anders.

This puts them in direct opposition to Wynne, who disapproves everytime you say something along the lines of the Circle being like a prison.

But - and here's the thing - despite referring to the Circle as home, and despite being a loyalist, Wynne can't wait to leave the tower and travel with you. As myself and others have said, the fact she does this and then tries to encourage Aneirin and your mage PC to return to the tower smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order. This is my main beef with her.

But yes, as I said, the most frustrating thing is not being able to do anything other than agree, or disagree in the most childish fashion. You can't have an adult conversation with Wynne. The fact that I'm actually 43 (and already frustrated at having to play another young character again) makes it doubly annoying.

[Corker]

Addai67 wrote...

(Husband posting)

I am sick of Wynn by now myself.   She's a character that does not wear well with multiple game plays.   The lecturing kind of builds up like toxins in the body.

I agree.  On my first playthrough, the lectures felt like 'canned wisdom' ("Ah, the authors clearly mean for me to think she's wise... well, I'll just suspend my disbelief, then") but I really did appreciate that she *was* the only companion who seemed to give a damn about how *I* felt. 

By my third playthrough, the conversations were going like this in my head...

Wynne: So, Warden... may I ask what being a Grey Warden means to you?
Warden: Uh... sure. 'Archdemons Killed Real Good.'
Wynne: Well, I'm sure that is the core of it, but it is mostly about service. Serving humans, dwarves, elves - all men.
Warden: Qunari.
Wynne: Excuse me?
Warden: Humans, dwarves, elves and qunari. You forgot them.  [The Warden was already very tight with Sten.]
Wynne: Well, I...
Warden: Also? Are you a Grey Warden?
Wynne: No, of course not. I just -
Warden: Have you served alongside the Grey Wardens, Ostagar aside?
Wynne: Not precisely, no, but -
Warden: Did you have a contingent of Grey Wardens assigned to the Circle Tower?
Wynne: (sigh) No.
Warden: So, pardon me for asking, but exactly how the sodding hell do you know what being a Grey Warden is all about?
Wynne: ...
Wynne: I read about it in a book. Which is arguably more than you have done.
Warden: Maybe when there's not a Blight on, the Wardens go around doing general protection stuff. And I'm not opposed to pitching in, as you will quickly learn if you ask the other companions what we've been doing since Ostagar. But seriously? Yeah, I'm serving and protecting - by killing the sodding Archdemon and stopping the sodding Blight. That is really the priority at the moment.
Wynne: Well, of course.
Warden: So what was your point, again?
Wynne: Never mind.

And for my fourth, I just declined to talk to her in camp.  Worked like a charm! 

[CalJones]

Yes, I think, like Addai's husband, I got to like Wynne less and less over time. Not talking to her in camp seems like the best option for someone who has to take her for her spells anyway.

[mousestalker]

I agree that Wynne doesn't wear very well.



But does everything have to be all or nothing? For most of the companions the Warden's love meter runs between four to six (on a scale of one through ten)(except for Shale, who is at ten and Sigrun who is at eleven (because in Awakening the love meter goes to eleven (and Oghren in Awakening who is at two))). That is to say I appreciate their utility far more than their charming personalities.



Wynne has both good and bad points. If I were really a Warden and she were really in my party I'd take over the cooking duties and serve cheese, bananas, almonds and dried meats for a week then follow it up with a week of prunes, figs, dried apricots, olives, and avocados. The next week would be all broccoli, ham, cabbage, cauliflower and beans. Cruel, but it would give her more important things to think about.

[CalJones]

That doesn't sound too different from my usual diet. Just add canned tuna and protein drinks.

[LobselVith8]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

Yes, I get it.  She's preachy and a know-it-all, who mother/smothers. 

Wynne was one of the few people in the game who actually seemed to notice how things were going with the Warden and would try to help.  I may not have always liked her advice, but at least she was there to give it unlike many others who were only wrapped up in their own needs.

I particularly liked the conversation we had when I said something to the effect of "It's never going to be normal again, is it?"  Wynne was someone I could go to in the game and expressed doubts and fears to without worrying that she would fall apart at the seams.  In my early days of playing Dragon Age, she was my in-game counselor.

Yes, after many games, she got a little long-winded, but not when what she had to say was brand new.

So go ahead and trash her, but I will not.  Like everyone else in this game, she's human with flaws of her own, but she cared enough about me to help me keep going when things were bad, and I was scared. So, I like the preachy school marm, and she will always have a place in my DA:O camp.

I think Wynne has some good points, but playing as a mage was always a problem because she never wants to get out from under the boot of the templars and the Chantry. She'll mourn over the son they stole the moment she gave birth and the fourteen year old apprentice that the templars tried to mercilessly kill, but she never does anything to see any change happen with the Circle. She has no problem with mages being made tranquil and turned into emotionless, rune crafting slaves. Wynne tries to force her views and disapproves if you don't agree with her narrow perspective, especially when it comes to Morrigan. She seems like a doormat for Chantry policies that are downright evil. She'll even kill you if you don't think the Circle deserves a chance or think allowing the First Enchanter to live is too much of a risk, but she won't say or do anything if you tell Knight-Commander Greagoir that the entire Circle has been tainted. She'll do nothing to stop the templars from culling the Circle.

[SerenCousland]

I like Wynne! she was one of my favourite characters, I liked her in my party and I liked how the other characters responded to her, she seemed sweet yet strong, fragile yet fierce and determined! She just reminded me of a few teachers I one had, they we're nice teachers by the way, which is why i like Wynne, she looked out for your best interest and if she was wrong, like if your a female warden romancing Alistair she apologises! That's why i like Wynne anyway, it gives me a sort of mentor student type of thing whenever she's in my party, Anyway enough of that, Wynne is ok in my books! :')

[Dean_the_Young]

Liliandra Nadiar wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Strangely, I think well of her because of her efforts to distill a sense of self-respect and honor in the Warden. Simply because she is not a Warden doesn't mean she doesn't have true points: Wardens exist not only for what they see themselves as, after all, but how the rest of the world sees them. If Wardens don't remember that others look to them as heroes and protectors, if they become to self-centered, self-interested, and self-focused as an organization, the rest of the world becomes more like people like Loghain, who look at the Wardens with suspicion and even fear. The Wardens can't have a presence without the acceptance of the rest, and so even the most self-centric Warden, if for no other reason than self-interest, should recognize the Duty that Wardens have for the world. Even if you, personally, don't like having a concious to nag you, it really is a good thing to have.


Much of Wynn's talks are similar to aspects of Western military training's character development for officers. Character development is a surprisingly large part of the non-tactical side of the officer corps: not only of themselves, but trying to push it and encourage it in the ranks as well. It's a large part of why modern Western militaries are some of the most disciplined, restrained, and self-correcting armies in history.

I have to disagree slighty with you here. Wynne wants to intsill a sense of honor in what she sees a Grey Warden as. She sees the Wardens as protectors and heroes. She is not a Warden. She has an outsiders perspective, which is useful to see things from a different angle, but does not have access to all the Warden secrets/details.

What's wrong with Wynn pushing what she sees? If she didn't push her ideals, she would be pushing someone elses and couldn't stand by her own feelings.

Duncan is/was the Commander of the Grey in Fereldan with nearly 30 years as a Warden, his word I'll trust on what a Warden is and does. By Duncan, a Warden is concered with two things, and two things only:
 1) Defeat Darkspawn by any means nescesary
 2) End Blights by any means nescesary

How others see the Warden is not  even a concideration. If burning a village with all citizens still in it is needed to contain the taint of Darkspawn, then the Wardens will get the torches. In that, the Wardens creed isn't all different then Loghain's obsession. Yes, working with other forces is required and usefull in carrying out their duties but mostly only because it's less efficient then fighting Darkspawn and local forces at the same time.

I'm going to have to ding you for being short sighted. How the Wardens are seen is a concern: it's the very reason something as minor as the Right of Conscription is used so sparingly. You can do just about anything once, but life, history, and politics are repeating games: people remember past actions. The Wardens were kicked out once, and that made a precedent that they can be kicked out from everywhere else if they overstep themselves.

Wynn hardly stops you from doing anything with a legitimate point to beating the Blight. She might not like it, but she doesn't stop you. Wynn's philosophy essentially adds up to a third caveat for the Grey Wardens: Defeat darksapwn by any means necessary, defeat Blights by any means necessary, but when you have a choice of means, do the best means possible.

'At any cost' doesn't mean you should spend any cost, after all: it's a comittment to no maximum, not a limitation of a minimum cost.