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[addiction21]

RobotNixon wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Gloatie wrote...

Not at all. You wan't more females playing it. I don't want DragonFarmville.

What an outrageously idiotic thing to say.

Men are such pigs.

Does that mean we taste like bacon?

[Rapidiul]

Anarya wrote...

Rapidiul wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Rapidiul wrote...

I've lived in many places, and I have never been asked about any kind of survey.

That, uh, doesn't mean no one goes door to door surveying. Logic!

There are online surveys, and surveys you don't even know you are participating, but not everybody is participating. No 100%.

Well it's obvious you have no idea how statistics work. You do not have to ask literally everyone in the world a question in order to gather data about something. Once you get a big enough sample size, it will be representative of the entire population (meaning that your data would be the same even if you asked a larger number of people).

There is a town of 1000 inhabitants. A research group finds out that 750 buy x product and 50 buy y product. The other 200 inhabitats were unwilling to provide information/unable to get information, so the research team randomly assumes that 125 are buying x product, and 75 are buying y.

Clearly, accuracy is there.

Modifié par Rapidiul, 23 août 2010 - 07:03 .

[Dave of Canada]

Anarya wrote...

(It's about as romantic as your average Bond film)

Is there something wrong with this?

[Ziggy]

Arrtis wrote...

Em23 wrote...

Rapidiul wrote...
I've lived in many places, and I have never been asked about any kind of survey.

I suggest you go away read a basic book on statistics and then decide whether you really want to persue this line of argument

I suggest you go try to improve the educational system as this will likley not happen and we have get a voice herer like it or not.

I was just trying to be helpful.
In arguing that any servey that does not question every single person in the population they are interested in is unreliable and has no value, you are showing a great ignorance of statistics.
But you are certainly free to ignore my advice and continue to do so.

[RobotNixon]

addiction21 wrote...

RobotNixon wrote...

Men are such pigs.

Does that mean we taste like bacon?

We do, in fact. Take a bite.

[Dave of Canada]

addiction21 wrote...

Does that mean we taste like bacon?

Does this mean I taste like Canadian Bacon?

[RobotNixon]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anarya wrote...

(It's about as romantic as your average Bond film)

Is there something wrong with this?

There's something I need you to get off your chest!

[Anarya]

Arrtis wrote...

I believe that has a lot of room for flaws.

Actually the flaws are introduced in the way the data is manipulated by people with an agenda. Not so much the data itself. Anyway more people should familiarize themselves with statistics since they're trotted out all the time by all sorts of people to prove whatever point. It's useful to understand what's being said.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Surveys are for demographic and market research and are highly useful. Doesn't matter if it gets 100% voting or not. People are predictable.

[Anarya]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anarya wrote...

(It's about as romantic as your average Bond film)

Is there something wrong with this?

Not at all, and that's why it's one of my most favoritest games evarrr.

Modifié par Anarya, 23 août 2010 - 07:06 .

[Riona45]

jln.francisco wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Men are often not respected and often mistreated by women.
Suddenly were trolls because we differ in opinion...
If your so smart tell us how we are wrong....if your smart enoguh you should be able to convince us.

Intelligence does not make someone a good communicator nor does being right. And no one here has attacked you for being a man so if you're responsed to some imagined accusation, re read the thread and assuage your ego of any harm it may have endured.

He posts stuff like that in any pro-female gamer/pro-female PC thread.

[Saibh]

Rapidiul wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Rapidiul wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Rapidiul wrote...

I've lived in many places, and I have never been asked about any kind of survey.

That, uh, doesn't mean no one goes door to door surveying. Logic!

There are online surveys, and surveys you don't even know you are participating, but not everybody is participating. No 100%.

Well it's obvious you have no idea how statistics work. You do not have to ask literally everyone in the world a question in order to gather data about something. Once you get a big enough sample size, it will be representative of the entire population (meaning that your data would be the same even if you asked a larger number of people).

There is a town of 1000 inhabitants. A research group finds out that 750 buy x product and 50 buy y product. The other 200 inhabitats were unwilling to provide information/unable to get information, so the research team randomly assumes that 125 are buying x product, and 75 are buying y.

Clearly, accuracy is there.

You show a disturbing lack of understanding on how statistics work.

[RobotNixon]

I remember getting banned one time for saying that Sean Connery was the best James Bond.

[namedforthemoon]

jln.francisco wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

Don't you hate it when your thread turns into a battle of the sexes? It's like the men are all "ARGH, NO, WOMAN STAY IN CAVE!! *shake stick* and the women are all "Fhawke you, unintelligent trollers!" and stuff...


Yeah....

Sad that threads about marketing to females always seem to turn out like that.

Men are often not respected and often mistreated by women.
Suddenly were trolls because we differ in opinion...
If your so smart tell us how we are wrong....if your smart enoguh you should be able to convince us.

Intelligence does not make someone a good communicator nor does being right. And no one here has attacked you for being a man so if you're responsed to some imagined accusation, re read the thread and assuage your ego of any harm it may have endured.

It's okay, you don't have to protect me from him. I'm taking Arrtis' own advice and ignoring him. What power! If only everyone would ignore him, the world would be saved.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Also allocation of resources



You should expand your market, not doing so would be stupid



However you do so when there is evidence of a possible springboard. Which in this case there is.



You do need to take into account costs of the marketing process as there is not a one size fits all approach when dealing with multiple sets.



However as we saw with DA:O there only seemed to be one approach taken in its campaigns which neglected many audiences, a few it ended up doing well in. This is would be a D- on the grading scale, that mainly got lucky with luck and a developer name

[Dave of Canada]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Surveys are for demographic and market research and are highly useful. Doesn't matter if it gets 100% voting or not. People are predictable.

/devil's advocate

But the surveys that were linked targetted online games, not games like Dragon Age and such. Casual Gamers (like I've said a dozen times before, Farmville players for example) go and say "Yes, we're female and we're gamers." even though they probably never touched anything more complicated than say.. Bejeweled or Peggle.

[Gloatie]

Anarya wrote...

Actually the flaws are introduced in the way the data is manipulated by people with an agenda. Not so much the data itself. Anyway more people should familiarize themselves with statistics since they're trotted out all the time by all sorts of people to prove whatever point. It's useful to understand what's being said.

Makes this whole thread worthwhile, in all seriousness.

[Rapidiul]

RobotNixon wrote...

I remember getting banned one time for saying that Sean Connery was the best James Bond.

I also remember getting banned from Steam because of some VAC mass banning in MW2. I got a L4D2 copy as an apology.

Modifié par Rapidiul, 23 août 2010 - 07:08 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

RobotNixon wrote...

I remember getting banned one time for saying that Sean Connery was the best James Bond.

I just saw Zardoz like half an hour ago

Sean Connery is now not James Bond, he is Zed

because that **** was one of the weirdest things I have ever seen

Zardoz would be an impossible film to market today because it is so strange and off the wall

[RobotNixon]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

RobotNixon wrote...

I remember getting banned one time for saying that Sean Connery was the best James Bond.

I just saw Zardoz like half an hour ago

Sean Connery is now not James Bond, he is Zed

because that **** was one of the weirdest things I have ever seen

Zardoz would be an impossible film to market today because it is so strange and off the wall

I'd go to the cinema to watch it.

For the lulz.

[Anarya]

Rapidiul wrote...

There is a town of 1000 inhabitants. A research group finds out that 750 buy x product and 50 buy y product. The other 200 inhabitats were unwilling to provide information/unable to get information, so the research team randomly assumes that 125 are buying x product, and 75 are buying y.

Clearly, accuracy is there.

Actually they would assume that 12.5 people are buying y and 187.5 are buying x. Statistics! And the assumption would NOT be random, it would be (ready for it?)...based on statistics. Seriously, go learn about statistics.

[Arrtis]

namedforthemoon wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

Don't you hate it when your thread turns into a battle of the sexes? It's like the men are all "ARGH, NO, WOMAN STAY IN CAVE!! *shake stick* and the women are all "Fhawke you, unintelligent trollers!" and stuff...


Yeah....

Sad that threads about marketing to females always seem to turn out like that.

Men are often not respected and often mistreated by women.
Suddenly were trolls because we differ in opinion...
If your so smart tell us how we are wrong....if your smart enoguh you should be able to convince us.

Intelligence does not make someone a good communicator nor does being right. And no one here has attacked you for being a man so if you're responsed to some imagined accusation, re read the thread and assuage your ego of any harm it may have endured.

It's okay, you don't have to protect me from him. I'm taking Arrtis' own advice and ignoring him. What power! If only everyone would ignore him, the world would be saved.

Its sort of why I put it there....the amount of posters that would get so angry at me....

[Onyx Jaguar]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Surveys are for demographic and market research and are highly useful. Doesn't matter if it gets 100% voting or not. People are predictable.

/devil's advocate

But the surveys that were linked targetted online games, not games like Dragon Age and such. Casual Gamers (like I've said a dozen times before, Farmville players for example) go and say "Yes, we're female and we're gamers." even though they probably never touched anything more complicated than say.. Bejeweled or Peggle.

Yes but you have to take into account trends

The intial fluctuation of the Video Game market followed lets say a cleansing of the core and hardcore market.  When games were becoming more complex many a gamer were stamped out.  This however was accellerated due to a couple market collapses, the one in the 80s and the Internet crash.

Currently this market is relatively stable, so you have an influx of nontraditional gamers coming into the picture.  Many will be erased when a fluctuation happens again.  However there will not be a crash. 

The number of nontraditional gamers, in this case in regards to the thread, female gamers is substancially high when compared to traditional gamers.  When you apply said surveys to the populace you have a large pool.  And if you attack them correctly you can gain a small number in regards to the polling but an actual large number of users that will increase the size of the base.

[Onyx Jaguar]

RobotNixon wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

RobotNixon wrote...

I remember getting banned one time for saying that Sean Connery was the best James Bond.

I just saw Zardoz like half an hour ago

Sean Connery is now not James Bond, he is Zed

because that **** was one of the weirdest things I have ever seen

Zardoz would be an impossible film to market today because it is so strange and off the wall

I'd go to the cinema to watch it.

For the lulz.

I don't know if I could handle that