Modifié par tpryan01, 23 août 2010 - 09:16 .
Bryy_Miller wrote...
tpryan01 wrote...
I love Bioware and their games obviously and obviously they appeal to females when somemone explains them
You know, this is why Radical Feminists are looked don upon by their own gender: it's because they believe that other women are stupid.
Altima Darkspells wrote...
I don't think RPGs are designed to exclude women any more than any other game series. Still, I can see how someone would think so.
Examples of Video Game Gender Crappiness:
Baldur's Gate series. Canonically--as much as it can be said--the main character is male. But the book series don't exist, so we can ignore that.
Baldur's Gate 2. Three female (and elf, no less) romances versus one male romance with varying levels of appeal.
Planescape: Torment. Awesome game. Male protagonist. Not that it was detrimental, I felt, and making TNO female would probably have made the game a bit sloppy, or much, much more work. Or both.
Fallout 2: The Vault Dweller from Fallout (1) becomes canonically male.
Knights of the Old Republic. Revan canonically made male by Lucasarts. Not surprising, since Lucasarts hates women and Star Wars hates gays. On a side note, the Exile canonically made female, but she's a far less important character in a far less successful (and currently abandoned) series which caused the less-intresting-than-Handmaiden Disciple to be official, too.
Mass Effect. Hardly ever mentioned that you could play a female character in, well, anything. Literally, I had only heard it once from a developer off-handedly comment that they started playing female characters for just a change of pace. One time, out of the dozens--hundreds?--of videos released to promote the game.
Mass Effect 2. Same as ME1 but worse.
Alpha Protocol. They just abandoned it altogether and stuck with a male character, even though, for the setting, they didn't have to, and the game would have been FAR more interesting if it had a female lead instead of badass mceveryPC.
Dragon Age Origins hasn't gone to this list yet, but Dragon Age 2 most certainly will. And I'm sure we all know that BioWare will eventually cave, make the Dark Promise canon and the Warden a male human warrior Cousland. Maybe they'll be especially sadistic and make drunk, deadbeat Alistair canon, too!
This list is just off the top of my head, spans the last decade or so, and composes a large chunk of every western RPG released, including the widely-acknowledged 'best' series, such as BG, Fallout, and PST.
What's really shocking to me is that people here hear this and don't think, "Hey, that could be a good idea--anything to make the game more appealing and show a different side of it to the world." No, instead, the most likely already represented gender seems to dismiss any thought of showing a female Hawke ranging from idle boredom and laziness to venomous denial.
Statistics have shown have shown the women play video games. A large chunk, in fact, despite the male-oriented and, in fact, dominated games and marketting. Now people are picking at the statistics because they don't like them. Women in MMOs prove they can handle the 'complex' battle system that DAO implements, so, really, all that's being said is that girls can't appreciate a BioWare story.Bryy_Miller wrote...
tpryan01 wrote...
I love Bioware and their games obviously and obviously they appeal to females when somemone explains them
You know, this is why Radical Feminists are looked don upon by their own gender: it's because they believe that other women are stupid.
You do realize that the reason that there's only Man-Shepard and now Man-Hawke is that BioWare (or EA) think gamers are too stupid to recognize a game without an iconic character?
Modifié par Nerevar-as, 23 août 2010 - 09:43 .
Altima Darkspells wrote...
Bryy_Miller wrote...
tpryan01 wrote...
I love Bioware and their games obviously and obviously they appeal to females when somemone explains them
You know, this is why Radical Feminists are looked don upon by their own gender: it's because they believe that other women are stupid.
You do realize that the reason that there's only Man-Shepard and now Man-Hawke is that BioWare (or EA) think gamers are too stupid to recognize a game without an iconic character?
Modifié par tpryan01, 23 août 2010 - 09:57 .
tpryan01 wrote...
I do think that letting females know that they can play as a female is a sound move.
It was not at all clear that you could play a female in ME or DAO.
Altima Darkspells wrote...
Dragon Age Origins hasn't gone to this list yet, but Dragon Age 2 most certainly will. And I'm sure we all know that BioWare will eventually cave, make the Dark Promise canon and the Warden a male human warrior Cousland. Maybe they'll be especially sadistic and make drunk, deadbeat Alistair canon, too!
SDNcN wrote...
Altima Darkspells wrote...
Dragon Age Origins hasn't gone to this list yet, but Dragon Age 2 most certainly will. And I'm sure we all know that BioWare will eventually cave, make the Dark Promise canon and the Warden a male human warrior Cousland. Maybe they'll be especially sadistic and make drunk, deadbeat Alistair canon, too!
You do know they announced you can import saves into Dragon Age 2 right? There is no canon.
Modifié par RageGT, 23 août 2010 - 10:09 .
RageGT wrote...
You've watcher ML's interview, right? There is a canon, and that's the word he used, for people who didn't play DA:O!
Modifié par SDNcN, 23 août 2010 - 10:13 .
RageGT wrote...
Maybe he has a problem with women who like to think?
Altima Darkspells wrote...
I don't think RPGs are designed to exclude women any more than any other game series. Still, I can see how someone would think so.
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Signed!Altima Darkspells wrote...
*Lots of good and pertinent points.
AntiChri5 wrote...
You know, on a whim i decided to see how long it would take to find out whether or not you can be a woman in Dragon Age 2.
Guess how long?
17 seconds.
Modifié par AlanC9, 23 août 2010 - 10:52 .
Saibh wrote...
marquiseondore wrote...
Bryy_Miller wrote...
marquiseondore wrote...
In the case of Mass Effect I wouldn't have known you could play a female Shepard.
omg it is proof of tpryan's claims!
Shocking I know. To be fair, I don't think most games would make that distintion. It's not a deterrent, though in Mass Effect's case had I not known I would have passed this game up because of the way male Shepard looks. {smilie}
Okay, well, that's you. Like I said, the industry is interested in selling games to gamers. Generally, gamers research topics before buying the game. Reading the back of the box is--and I don't mean this with any insult--one of the things we learn early on not to buy a game on the basis of. Some gamers rely solely on word of mouth, and that's a very valid way to buy a game, too.
In all cases, yes, I think it would benefit to see a femHawke trailer. Not a Blur one, mind you. I think, however, the problem people are having with this thread is some of the women's sense of entitlement, without understanding of the various machinations that go on for video game marketing.
Modifié par AlanC9, 23 août 2010 - 10:57 .
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