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Will DA2's current marketing campaign appeal at all to new female players.


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i'm one of the "likes-to-see-a-female-character-over -a-male-one" so if the OP doesnt read up if it is possible to play as female that would largely be her fault just sayin thats all

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For example, take all the frivilous questions asked on these boards. Questions that can be easily accessed in the FAQ page. I think having more than one 'hero' would only further confuse these people, the ones who ask erroneous questions and care little to use their Google search feature..




You're speaking as someone who's familiar with these forums and (I'm assuming) looking up video game news in general. You'd be surprised how long it can take new commoners (even ones who frequent other sites with similar layouts) to get a feel for where to find the information they want. Try looking up a topic you don't really know much about. It can be a pain finding the answers you want even if they are in what a regular might call plain sight.



Right now I'm looking up how to take care of bed bugs and the forums all look like a mess to me.

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Torhagen wrote...

i'm one of the "likes-to-see-a-female-character-over -a-male-one" so if the OP doesnt read up if it is possible to play as female that would largely be her fault just sayin thats all


Please look over the thread, I don't think  you understand what we've been arguing for and why.

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jln.francisco wrote...

For example, take all the frivilous questions asked on these boards. Questions that can be easily accessed in the FAQ page. I think having more than one 'hero' would only further confuse these people, the ones who ask erroneous questions and care little to use their Google search feature..


You're speaking as someone who's familiar with these forums and (I'm assuming) looking up video game news in general. You'd be surprised how long it can take new commoners (even ones who frequent other sites with similar layouts) to get a feel for where to find the information they want. Try looking up a topic you don't really know much about. It can be a pain finding the answers you want even if they are in what a regular might call plain sight.

Right now I'm looking up how to take care of bed bugs and the forums all look like a mess to me.


You don't have to be a genius to use a search engine like google to get reviews and read up on what a game has to offer.

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wwwwowwww wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

For example, take all the frivilous questions asked on these boards. Questions that can be easily accessed in the FAQ page. I think having more than one 'hero' would only further confuse these people, the ones who ask erroneous questions and care little to use their Google search feature..


You're speaking as someone who's familiar with these forums and (I'm assuming) looking up video game news in general. You'd be surprised how long it can take new commoners (even ones who frequent other sites with similar layouts) to get a feel for where to find the information they want. Try looking up a topic you don't really know much about. It can be a pain finding the answers you want even if they are in what a regular might call plain sight.

Right now I'm looking up how to take care of bed bugs and the forums all look like a mess to me.


You don't have to be a genius to use a search engine like google to get reviews and read up on what a game has to offer.


Which you would only do if the game already has your interest. We're going in circles here.

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jln.francisco wrote...

wwwwowwww wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

For example, take all the frivilous questions asked on these boards. Questions that can be easily accessed in the FAQ page. I think having more than one 'hero' would only further confuse these people, the ones who ask erroneous questions and care little to use their Google search feature..


You're speaking as someone who's familiar with these forums and (I'm assuming) looking up video game news in general. You'd be surprised how long it can take new commoners (even ones who frequent other sites with similar layouts) to get a feel for where to find the information they want. Try looking up a topic you don't really know much about. It can be a pain finding the answers you want even if they are in what a regular might call plain sight.

Right now I'm looking up how to take care of bed bugs and the forums all look like a mess to me.


You don't have to be a genius to use a search engine like google to get reviews and read up on what a game has to offer.


Which you would only do if the game already has your interest. We're going in circles here.

I was about to ask how this could this possibly continue after page 20....

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jln.francisco wrote...

wwwwowwww wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

For example, take all the frivilous questions asked on these boards. Questions that can be easily accessed in the FAQ page. I think having more than one 'hero' would only further confuse these people, the ones who ask erroneous questions and care little to use their Google search feature..


You're speaking as someone who's familiar with these forums and (I'm assuming) looking up video game news in general. You'd be surprised how long it can take new commoners (even ones who frequent other sites with similar layouts) to get a feel for where to find the information they want. Try looking up a topic you don't really know much about. It can be a pain finding the answers you want even if they are in what a regular might call plain sight.

Right now I'm looking up how to take care of bed bugs and the forums all look like a mess to me.


You don't have to be a genius to use a search engine like google to get reviews and read up on what a game has to offer.


Which you would only do if the game already has your interest. We're going in circles here.


So the only way a game gets your interest is if you see a commercial on t.v. with a female lead? Highly unlikely
Yep I agree we are going in circles, but apparantly two different ones

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Some developers/publishers don't even bother advertising certain features. I had no idea you could customize/play a female in Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 until I reached the character screen. I was mildly shocked to say the least.


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Personally im reallt thankful that you can choose gender, classe appearence in bioware games..there about the only ones that allows it...sure there some other here and there that allows you to do it but biowares games are the only ones that its gonna affect gameplay..So sure it sucks that there was no commercial with fem Hawke but you still get to play as a female.

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Tell women everywhere.....Dragonage 2 you can play as a woman!
Fable only advertises a guy do most women know you can play as a woman>

Modifié par Arrtis, 25 août 2010 - 01:42 .


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One last thing from me: if the OP thinks the BioWare forums are sexist, then I'd invite them to post this same thread in the Witcher forums.

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Someone got sand where it shouldnt be

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Sphynx118 wrote...

Someone got sand where it shouldnt be

Who is that directed at?:mellow:

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

One last thing from me: if the OP thinks the BioWare forums are sexist, then I'd invite them to post this same thread in the Witcher forums.


This is hardly fair. It's basically saying that because there's someone worse I'm in the clear. While I don't feel these forums are anymore sexist then what you'd deal with in day to day life, that's not a valid way to dismiss the critiscms that have been raised. You are responsible for you regardless of what someone else is doing.

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jln.francisco wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

One last thing from me: if the OP thinks the BioWare forums are sexist, then I'd invite them to post this same thread in the Witcher forums.


This is hardly fair. It's basically saying that because there's someone worse I'm in the clear. While I don't feel these forums are anymore sexist then what you'd deal with in day to day life, that's not a valid way to dismiss the critiscms that have been raised. You are responsible for you regardless of what someone else is doing.


Indeed, and it's also uncalled for and irrelevant.

The OP has been very clear and consistent about her motives for this thread and they have nothing to do with sexism - simply wanting more females to be made aware of the great things dragon age has to offer them.

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Ummmm......so being a female is a great thing????

I see.

Well they can see all the great things about dragonage if they care to notice dragonage.

Not advertising a female will not stop them.

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I think dragon age is a great game for females - one of the few where you can play as a woman who isn't designed to appeal to pubescent boys and where npc women who appear in the game are likewise treated the same respect as male characters; fighting alongside them and many have positions of power.

Bioware is one of the best if not the best developers out there for women, they should be proud of that, not hide it!

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Arrtis wrote...

Tell women everywhere.....Dragonage 2 you can play as a woman!
Fable only advertises a guy do most women know you can play as a woman>


The only way I found out was because my brother bought the game and told me. I never looked into it because Fable 1 there was no choice *normally I don`t really care that much, but considering you can choose to be good or evil it would be nice to choose a gender*.

If I have to play as a guy, that`s okay *when it comes to FPS though, like Gears ... I mean it`s Dom :)*

Mind you, I never really was that into games then, and the only games I play now are DA and ME pretty much (and  AvP until I traded it in because I`m an idiot ... ). 

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Arrtis wrote...
Ummmm......so being a female is a great thing????
I see.
Well they can see all the great things about dragonage if they care to notice dragonage.
Not advertising a female will not stop them.

Why do so many people seem to be arguing that advertising is a waste of time and money?
It's really quite odd...

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Hattie wrote...

I think dragon age is a great game for females - one of the few where you can play as a woman who isn't designed to appeal to pubescent boys and where npc women who appear in the game are likewise treated the same respect as male characters; fighting alongside them and many have positions of power.
Bioware is one of the best if not the best developers out there for women, they should be proud of that, not hide it!


That`s true. When I read the DAO instructions I was so really thrown off when it said males and females will start with equal stats because they are considered equal. I`ve played games where if you`re female you`re weaker, that`s it. No strength for you! *And then guys are slower or something, which is silly too*

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Hattie wrote...

Arrtis wrote...
Ummmm......so being a female is a great thing????
I see.
Well they can see all the great things about dragonage if they care to notice dragonage.
Not advertising a female will not stop them.

Why do so many people seem to be arguing that advertising is a waste of time and money?
It's really quite odd...

Most advertising of games happen through word of mouth.
Or on the internet where you can figure out you can play as a woman.
Besides saying outright that you can play as a woman is likley to cause misunderstanding.
Advertising now doesnt say here YOU CAN PLAY AS A MAN.Would cause mixed messages if you did that with women.

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Hattie wrote...

Arrtis wrote...
Ummmm......so being a female is a great thing????
I see.
Well they can see all the great things about dragonage if they care to notice dragonage.
Not advertising a female will not stop them.

Why do so many people seem to be arguing that advertising is a waste of time and money?
It's really quite odd...


I don't think it's a waste of money, but I do think it's a waste of money to make specific advertising for specific audiences other than your core audience. I mean take current advertising for household products, back in the day advertising was more towards the male audience, then the realized that women were the main ones doing the shopping for the home, so marketing was shifted to appeal to women and sales went through the roof. They aren't saying that men don't shop for household products or even that men don't use them, but instead they are marketing towards their core buyers that will bring in the most money for them.

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That`s true. When I read the DAO instructions I was so really thrown off when it said males and females will start with equal stats because they are considered equal. I`ve played games where if you`re female you`re weaker, that`s it. No strength for you! *And then guys are slower or something, which is silly too*



It's an attempt to make it 'ok' for women to be weaker. After all, if they're better than men in this aspect, it's ok for men to be better in this aspect. This of course ignores the fact that either sex is perfectly capable of reaching the same level on the battlefield. If you doubt this, check out the fine ladies of the IDF. If they don't convince you men and women are on equal footing as far as combat is concerned, I don't know what will.

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Arrtis wrote...

Hattie wrote...

Arrtis wrote...
Ummmm......so being a female is a great thing????
I see.
Well they can see all the great things about dragonage if they care to notice dragonage.
Not advertising a female will not stop them.

Why do so many people seem to be arguing that advertising is a waste of time and money?
It's really quite odd...

Most advertising of games happen through word of mouth.
Or on the internet where you can figure out you can play as a woman.


No, it doesn't. Where did you get this piece of information from?

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jln.francisco wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Hattie wrote...

Arrtis wrote...
Ummmm......so being a female is a great thing????
I see.
Well they can see all the great things about dragonage if they care to notice dragonage.
Not advertising a female will not stop them.

Why do so many people seem to be arguing that advertising is a waste of time and money?
It's really quite odd...

Most advertising of games happen through word of mouth.
Or on the internet where you can figure out you can play as a woman.


No, it doesn't. Where did you get this piece of information from?

Where are you getting info it does not?
I have yet to see an advertisement anywhere other than the internet and decide to play that game or even look into it.
This being a career game owner/player.