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[Dave of Canada]

Anarya wrote...

Hmm tpryan01 were you the one who said you didn't play Red Dead Redemption and a bunch of other games because you can't play as a female? I think you're doing yourself a disservice if you value story and gameplay. There are lots of excellent games with a fixed protagonist.

That's what I'm saying, if a game is considered great and amazing would the option of simply being a female really make or break the sale?

[marquiseondore]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Hmm tpryan01 were you the one who said you didn't play Red Dead Redemption and a bunch of other games because you can't play as a female? I think you're doing yourself a disservice if you value story and gameplay. There are lots of excellent games with a fixed protagonist.

That's what I'm saying, if a game is considered great and amazing would the option of simply being a female really make or break the sale?

Wouldn't it be more of an incentive than a deal breaker? Like extra marshmellows in Lucky Charms.

[tpryan01]

The Edge wrote...

tpryan01 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
meaning you were never interested in the game based off what was advertised

bingo

So is that because they didn't show a female option, or that the gameplay was advertised in a way that didn't appeal to you (more actiony than it really was=Sacred Ashes trailer)? Or was it both?

both. It looked like a fighting game to me. and it looked like I had to play as the crew cut warden
I never picked up on the rich character interaction from the ads
frankly I have played a ton of RPGs but the character interaction in DAO is in a new league.

here is the text of the article from Comics Alliance

"Dragon Age: Origins" broke my heart.
by Colleen Coover

ComicsAlliance editor Laura Hudson asked me to write this post because I
nearly burst into tears at a party while trying to explain how
crazy-excited I was about the storytelling in this video game. "Dragon
Age" seemed, at first, to be a pretty basic, well-made fantasy
adventure: you play as a male or female character with one of about six
different background stories, tragedy strikes, battle to save the world
must be waged blah blah blah.

But when I began to assemble my
requisite team of misfits and set out to defeat the evil Archdemon, I
found myself unraveling a story told in a complex web of choices and
consequences. Each of the game's quests had multiple difficult
resolutions to choose from, ranging from tragic to immoral. My actions
affected the attitudes of my band of adventurers. I could make them
pleased or angry; I could persuade them to fall in love with my
character or pursue sexual trysts with them. (And you know I totally
did.)

This, I began to realize, was Something! I was sucked into
the narrative completely, because it was a story I was telling myself.
Dozens of wrinkles in the overarching plot were the result of my own
decisions. I was not merely walking my character through the events of
the game; I was culpable. And when in the end I reached my ultimate goal
to face the Archdemon, all those choices -- all the little threads I
had been responsible for -- came together to win the day, beat the game,
and break my heart.

I won't say here what upset me so. It was
one of I-don't-know-how-many possible endings. But it was unexpected; it
was not the outcome I had wanted; it left me watching the credits
through tears of regret for the choices I had made and IT WAS AWESOME.


This is first-person storytelling to a degree I have never encountered
before. I can't think of it existing in any other medium. A great book
or film can transport us, inspire us, make us feel any range of emotion.
But no matter how intimate the writing or performance, we are
uninvolved; the experience is vicarious. In "Dragon Age," it is virtual.
I did not feel empathy for my character, I just felt.

As a
comic book creator, I think about storytelling pretty much all the time.
The idea of a story built on so many branches -- one that must be
simple enough to remain a clear narrative while being flexible enough to
allow for a multitude of variations -- boggles my mind. I wonder if the
writers and directors and voice actors, with their godlike knowledge of
all the alternative plot turns, can even have the perspective to
understand how compelling their own work is? It excites me to know that
this game exists. It makes me envious of its architects, and glad that I
am not one of them so that I may enjoy their creation. It makes me hope
for more games that can make me feel joy, lust, outrage, guilt-- and
break my heart."
http://www.comicsall...colleen-coover/

I subscribe to the authors twitter feed.

Modifié par tpryan01, 25 août 2010 - 05:06 .

[Arrtis]

jln.francisco wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

tpryan01 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
meaning you were never interested in the game based off what was advertised

bingo

Oh I see.

You didn't care about Thedas, epic plot, CRPG elements, the advertised characters, the multiple origins (that advertised multiple genders, fyi) and dark setting.

Why would Bioware advertise for people who don't care about their game?

I thought Arrtis was the most condescending person here.

There is always a bigger fish,
Just kidding.

[Anarya]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Hmm tpryan01 were you the one who said you didn't play Red Dead Redemption and a bunch of other games because you can't play as a female? I think you're doing yourself a disservice if you value story and gameplay. There are lots of excellent games with a fixed protagonist.

That's what I'm saying, if a game is considered great and amazing would the option of simply being a female really make or break the sale?

For me? No. I can't think of another female gamer I know personally who would feel that way either. But I guess that could be make or break for tpryan.

[Valeria Cousland]

It depends on the game for me if I cry for a female option. In a game like DA? You bet your damn ass. Hell, I've put off trying out Rune Factory because they won't give us a damn female option.



I guess, basically, the more control I have over the character, the more I want the option of gender. But I'll break if everyone around me tells me that the game is OMGFantastic.

[Dave of Canada]

jln.francisco wrote...

I thought Arrtis was the most condescending person here.

I tend to shift from time to time, I'm just being condescending because I felt it was the tone that was required for such a silly requirement.

[The Edge]

jln.francisco wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

tpryan01 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
meaning you were never interested in the game based off what was advertised

bingo

Oh I see.

You didn't care about Thedas, epic plot, CRPG elements, the advertised characters, the multiple origins (that advertised multiple genders, fyi) and dark setting.

Why would Bioware advertise for people who don't care about their game?

I thought Arrtis was the most condescending person here.

But...that in itself was condescending! 

[Rogue Unit]

I. Am. Batman!

[Dave of Canada]

Anarya wrote...

For me? No. I can't think of another female gamer I know personally who would feel that way either. But I guess that could be make or break for tpryan.

That was rhetorical more than anything but glad you sort of agree.

[Dave of Canada]

jln.francisco wrote...

Yes. yes it was. I've stopped giving a **** and have decided I might as well get my own pot shots in while everyone else is.

It appears you are mad, jln. I'd recommend you take a quick break for 5-10 minutes before you break your keyboard in rage.

[tpryan01]

yeah I am starting to think yo guys know we are right but are just doing this because you think it is funny... I am going to sleep I'll check back sometime tomorrow

[The Edge]

Rogue Unit wrote...

I. Am. Batman!

"SWEAR TO ME!!!"

[jonluke93]

Anarya wrote...

Hmm tpryan01 were you the one who said you didn't play Red Dead Redemption and a bunch of other games because you can't play as a female? I think you're doing yourself a disservice if you value story and gameplay. There are lots of excellent games with a fixed protagonist.

Well, you could be female in Multiplayer.

BTW this thread = hilarious

Anyway Bioware already said they'd be showing off FemHawke although I'm sure Dave and Arttis have said that several times by now so ya.

Modifié par jonluke93, 25 août 2010 - 05:14 .

[The Edge]

tpryan01 wrote...

yeah I am starting to think yo guys know we are right but are just doing this because you think it is funny... I am going to sleep I'll check back sometime tomorrow

Actually, no. I don't think you are right on everything, I respect your opinion, and I like discussing these things (and a few funny posts never hurt IMO).

[Arrtis]

tpryan01 wrote...

yeah I am starting to think yo guys know we are right but are just doing this because you think it is funny... I am going to sleep I'll check back sometime tomorrow

It recently got funny though I believe youa re wrong.

[marquiseondore]

jonluke93 wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Hmm tpryan01 were you the one who said you didn't play Red Dead Redemption and a bunch of other games because you can't play as a female? I think you're doing yourself a disservice if you value story and gameplay. There are lots of excellent games with a fixed protagonist.

Well, you could be female in Multiplayer.

BTW this thread = hilarious

also Bioware already said they'd be showing off FemHawke although I'm sure Dave and Arttis have said that several times by now so ya.

Yes we know. But we are trying to discuss marketing to new players...specificaly females.

[Anarya]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anarya wrote...

For me? No. I can't think of another female gamer I know personally who would feel that way either. But I guess that could be make or break for tpryan.

That was rhetorical more than anything but glad you sort of agree.

All I want to see as a female gamer is a female fixed protagonist more often, in games that have one. More often than 10% of the time or whatever it actually is. That and, if a game like DA2 has a female option I'd like them not to sweep her under the rug. They don't even have to show both genders, they can just sometimes choose the default female as the "face" of whatever game it is. That's all this entire drawn out thread boils down to for me. Anyone who uses the gender of the PC as the sole determining factor for any game is entitled to do it, but I'm gonna go on thinking they're ridiculous and missing out on a lot.

[Daur]

marquiseondore wrote...

jonluke93 wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Hmm tpryan01 were you the one who said you didn't play Red Dead Redemption and a bunch of other games because you can't play as a female? I think you're doing yourself a disservice if you value story and gameplay. There are lots of excellent games with a fixed protagonist.

Well, you could be female in Multiplayer.

BTW this thread = hilarious

also Bioware already said they'd be showing off FemHawke although I'm sure Dave and Arttis have said that several times by now so ya.

Yes we know. But we are trying to discuss marketing to new players...specificaly females.

It's just not worth it

Modifié par Daur, 25 août 2010 - 05:14 .

[Arrtis]

marquiseondore wrote...

jonluke93 wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Hmm tpryan01 were you the one who said you didn't play Red Dead Redemption and a bunch of other games because you can't play as a female? I think you're doing yourself a disservice if you value story and gameplay. There are lots of excellent games with a fixed protagonist.

Well, you could be female in Multiplayer.

BTW this thread = hilarious

also Bioware already said they'd be showing off FemHawke although I'm sure Dave and Arttis have said that several times by now so ya.

Yes we know. But we are trying to discuss marketing to new players...specificaly females.

Not needed.Most female do not play this game.Majority who play this game is men.I would say its a waste of resources and can cause much confusion and is not worth it.

[Daur]

tpryan01 wrote...

yeah I am starting to think yo guys know we are right but are just doing this because you think it is funny... I am going to sleep I'll check back sometime tomorrow

so typical of a woman, when found in distress she pronounces she is the winner and runs away....

[Arrtis]

Daur wrote...

tpryan01 wrote...

yeah I am starting to think yo guys know we are right but are just doing this because you think it is funny... I am going to sleep I'll check back sometime tomorrow

so typical of a woman, when found in distress she pronounces she is the winner and runs away....

Perfected over generations.
Its becoming almost instinct.
Just kidding.