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[tpryan01]

I have answered this already several times as well



It took me 3 years to find out that ME was not only the game portrayed in the posters, cover art anf tv ads. It was amazing! I loved that game. I could have missed it if I hadn't stumbled upon a random article 3 years after ME that talked about dragon age (which I also missed for 6 months)



I had almost missed a great thing and I would like other women not to miss it as well.

[Wakara Pezi]

Arrtis wrote...

They should just get rid fo the female option to make these women ahve a valid arguement imo.

And they should get rid of the male option and see how that goes.

[svenus97]

There are no good kitchen simulators, women don't play video games... Just kidding

[Wakara Pezi]

Arrtis wrote...

We are almost at 1k we can not let it end here!
Women should have elss advertising than males as they are not the majority.
Anyone disagree?

I disagree.

[Wakara Pezi]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

We are almost at 1k we can not let it end here!
Women should have elss advertising than males as they are not the majority.
Anyone disagree?

You say stuff like this just to ****** people off, right? You're one of those people who just likes to stir up the sh!t. For attention. Because even negative attention is still attention.

I get it. Your mommy loved your sister more than she loved you. It all makes sense, now.

OMG she guessed right.I have a sister!She must  be a psychic.
Back on topic women are the minority for this game correcT?
It makes sense to spend less money on targetting them.

 No matter what happens, DONT UPSET e girls! there will always be a tribe of white knights to defend them.

I don't need a knight to defend me.

[Mecha Tengu]

Wakara Pezi wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

We are almost at 1k we can not let it end here!
Women should have elss advertising than males as they are not the majority.
Anyone disagree?

You say stuff like this just to ****** people off, right? You're one of those people who just likes to stir up the sh!t. For attention. Because even negative attention is still attention.

I get it. Your mommy loved your sister more than she loved you. It all makes sense, now.

OMG she guessed right.I have a sister!She must  be a psychic.
Back on topic women are the minority for this game correcT?
It makes sense to spend less money on targetting them.

 No matter what happens, DONT UPSET e girls! there will always be a tribe of white knights to defend them.

I don't need a knight to defend me.

no, but nevertheless you provoke a nerd rush that will come crashing down on your foes

[Tokion]

Since the topic had mentioned WoW and we are talking about marketing for RPGs, I thought this was a good read.

WoW Gender-Bending
23% of male players (N = 939) listed a character of the opposite gender as their most enjoyable character compared with 3% of female players (N = 184). In WoW, men are about 7-8 times as likely to gender-bend than women.

Given a hypothetical pool of 1000 players:
840 would be male players
160 would be female players

Of the 840 male players:
193 would be playing a female character
647 would be playing a male character

Of the 160 female players:
5 would be playing a male character
155 would be playing a female character

Thus, altogether there are 348 female characters of which 193 (55%) would be played by a male player.
And there are 652 male characters of which 5 (

Source: http://www.nickyee.c...ives/001369.php

Modifié par Tokion, 25 août 2010 - 06:16 .

[maxernst]

Wakara Pezi wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

They should just get rid fo the female option to make these women ahve a valid arguement imo.

And they should get rid of the male option and see how that goes.

There have been a number of games (though not WRPG's that I can think of) with female protagonists--the Tomb Raider Series, the No One Lives Forever series, and most adventure games in recent years.  So being female only doesn't seem to prevent games from appealing to men (especially if the women are scantily clad and big-breasted).  Personally, I think Hawke is pretty hunkalicious, so I don't see why he any a priori reason why he wouldn't appeal to women.  For some women (and some men), the ability to play women is important, but it seems crazy to me that anyone would assume they couldn't just because the figure in the trailer is a man.  The trailer gives very little information of any kind about gameplay. 

[tpryan01]

here is the visual

http://www.nickyee.c...genderbend.html





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[Mecha Tengu]

well video games in general do not appeal to females.



I think Bioware should spend more money on the actual game than marketing



I'd hate to pay for scrounged up DLC made by Bioware because they are short of funds

[maxernst]

Tokion wrote...

Since the topic had mentioned WoW and we are talking about marketing for RPGs, I thought this was a good read.

WoW Gender-Bending
23% of male players (N = 939) listed a character of the opposite gender as their most enjoyable character compared with 3% of female players (N = 184). In WoW, men are about 7-8 times as likely to gender-bend than women.

Given a hypothetical pool of 1000 players:
840 would be male players
160 would be female players

Of the 840 male players:
193 would be playing a female character
647 would be playing a male character

Of the 160 female players:
5 would be playing a male character
155 would be playing a female character

Thus, altogether there are 348 female characters of which 193 (55%) would be played by a male player.
And there are 652 male characters of which 5 (

Source: http://www.nickyee.c...ives/001369.php

That's fascinating.  I would never have guessed that there would be such a big difference between men and women in that respect.  I knew lots of men played female characters, at least occasionally, and would have assumed that it was not rare for women to play male characters.

[Mecha Tengu]

maxernst wrote...

Tokion wrote...

Since the topic had mentioned WoW and we are talking about marketing for RPGs, I thought this was a good read.

WoW Gender-Bending
23% of male players (N = 939) listed a character of the opposite gender as their most enjoyable character compared with 3% of female players (N = 184). In WoW, men are about 7-8 times as likely to gender-bend than women.

Given a hypothetical pool of 1000 players:
840 would be male players
160 would be female players

Of the 840 male players:
193 would be playing a female character
647 would be playing a male character

Of the 160 female players:
5 would be playing a male character
155 would be playing a female character

Thus, altogether there are 348 female characters of which 193 (55%) would be played by a male player.
And there are 652 male characters of which 5 (

Source: http://www.nickyee.c...ives/001369.php

That's fascinating.  I would never have guessed that there would be such a big difference between men and women in that respect.  I knew lots of men played female characters, at least occasionally, and would have assumed that it was not rare for women to play male characters.

males play female characters for obvious attention and gold

females play male characters to avoid unwanted attention

[tpryan01]

Hmmm why would someone think that they could only play as a fixed male protagonist?



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[tpryan01]

Mecha Tengu wrote...


well video games in general do not appeal to females.

What?

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I think Bioware should spend more money on the actual game than marketing

They wont sell many copies then

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I'd hate to pay for scrounged up DLC made by Bioware because they are short of funds

When did anyone mention DLC?

Modifié par tpryan01, 25 août 2010 - 06:26 .

[Mecha Tengu]

tpryan01 wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

well video games in general do not appeal to females.

What?

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I think Bioware should spend more money on the actual game than marketing
[/quote ] They wont sell many copies then

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I'd hate to pay for scrounged up DLC made by Bioware because they are short of funds

When did anyone mention DLC?

video games appeal to females as much as make up and hair removal appeal to me. Not so much, but other gay guys might be interested

I mentioned DLC, because that's what happens when you lack funds, you recycle crap to sell for $3-4 each to bring you back up

Modifié par Mecha Tengu, 25 août 2010 - 06:26 .

[maxernst]

tpryan01 wrote...



Hmmm why would someone think that they could only play as a fixed male protagonist?



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Do you also assume that you're only allowed to use one kind of weapon and wear one kind of armor?  I didn't know Assassin's creed required you to play a male and would not have assumed that based on the advertising campaign--if I want to learn about the game, I read a description of its features, I don't just look at the cover of the box.

[addiction21]

tpryan01 wrote...



Hmmm why would someone think that they could only play as a fixed male protagonist?



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I dont know why did you assume you could not in DAO?










I like that one. I guess we could only play as a big monster or a girl in purple. Yup no chance to play as a guy, elf, or dwarf in this one...

[mosaiclobster]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

tpryan01 wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

well video games in general do not appeal to females.

What?

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I think Bioware should spend more money on the actual game than marketing
[/quote ] They wont sell many copies then

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I'd hate to pay for scrounged up DLC made by Bioware because they are short of funds

When did anyone mention DLC?

video games appeal to females as much as make up and hair removal appeal to me. Not so much, but other gay guys might be interested

I mentioned DLC, because that's what happens when you lack funds, you recycle crap to sell for $3-4 each to bring you back up

This has probably already been said multiple times, but women make up 30-40 percent of gamers. You're just basing your assumption on tired old gender stereotypes. Look how many women post on this forum!

I'll never understand why so many of you guys are so *bothered* by the mere suggestion that we get to see some proof of Lady Hawke's existence. We like playing as a female, so while a lot of you are getting pumped up on the concept art and cinematic trailer, we're just waiting for a glimpse at the character we could be playing.

[jazzy B 3]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

males play female characters for obvious attention and gold

females play male characters to avoid unwanted attention

This is not always the case, particularly with males.  There are males out there who play as females because they prefer the look of the female avatars but there are also those who play because they wish to role-play a female character.  As someone who has done the latter for 3 years quite successfully in EVE  I did find the male attention rather annoying at times in public channels, but provided I reacted in ways that didn't encourage it it generally died off.  When I eventually left and told my corp (read guild) most people hadn't realised and were surprised, so clearly I had done a fairly good job of it and my experiences were, if not typical, then at least within the bounds of those that real females may have received.  There were also real females playing in the corp and there was no harassment there that I saw.  Everyone was treated with respect.

I guess that I was lucky that in Eve the playerbase has a much higher average age (mid thirties I believe) that WoW (somewhere in the twenties I think, dragged down by a large number of teenage players) and so people's behaviour was more mature than one would expect.

Clearly WoW is not such a pleasant place to play if you are a girl if your assertions are correct there.

[Mecha Tengu]

mosaiclobster wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

tpryan01 wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

well video games in general do not appeal to females.

What?

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I think Bioware should spend more money on the actual game than marketing
[/quote ] They wont sell many copies then

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I'd hate to pay for scrounged up DLC made by Bioware because they are short of funds

When did anyone mention DLC?

video games appeal to females as much as make up and hair removal appeal to me. Not so much, but other gay guys might be interested

I mentioned DLC, because that's what happens when you lack funds, you recycle crap to sell for $3-4 each to bring you back up

This has probably already been said multiple times, but women make up 30-40 percent of gamers. You're just basing your assumption on tired old gender stereotypes. Look how many women post on this forum!

I'll never understand why so many of you guys are so *bothered* by the mere suggestion that we get to see some proof of Lady Hawke's existence. We like playing as a female, so while a lot of you are getting pumped up on the concept art and cinematic trailer, we're just waiting for a glimpse at the character we could be playing.

there is yet no proof that these are ACTUAL women. 

and by "gamers" do you mean people who play guitar hero, Sims, Dragon age on easy mode? (you gotta be kidding me if you think this is a mature, dark RPG) or as a nelf in WoW? I don't consider those gamers.

and we're not bothered at all, we are just kinda annoyed that video game companies have to conform to women's wishes, and hardcore content like nudity and violence are eithered heavily toned down or removed to appeal to a larger fanbase.

[maxernst]

mosaiclobster wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

tpryan01 wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

well video games in general do not appeal to females.

What?

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I think Bioware should spend more money on the actual game than marketing
[/quote ] They wont sell many copies then

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I'd hate to pay for scrounged up DLC made by Bioware because they are short of funds

When did anyone mention DLC?

video games appeal to females as much as make up and hair removal appeal to me. Not so much, but other gay guys might be interested

I mentioned DLC, because that's what happens when you lack funds, you recycle crap to sell for $3-4 each to bring you back up

This has probably already been said multiple times, but women make up 30-40 percent of gamers. You're just basing your assumption on tired old gender stereotypes. Look how many women post on this forum!

I'll never understand why so many of you guys are so *bothered* by the mere suggestion that we get to see some proof of Lady Hawke's existence. We like playing as a female, so while a lot of you are getting pumped up on the concept art and cinematic trailer, we're just waiting for a glimpse at the character we could be playing.

Well, I'm not bothered by it, but keep in mind that the character you will actually be playing could look like almost anyone.  His/her appearance will be customizable, much like Shepherd in ME. 

[Mecha Tengu]

jazzy B 3 wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

males play female characters for obvious attention and gold

females play male characters to avoid unwanted attention

This is not always the case, particularly with males.  There are males out there who play as females because they prefer the look of the female avatars but there are also those who play because they wish to role-play a female character.  As someone who has done the latter for 3 years quite successfully in EVE  I did find the male attention rather annoying at times in public channels, but provided I reacted in ways that didn't encourage it it generally died off.  When I eventually left and told my corp (read guild) most people hadn't realised and were surprised, so clearly I had done a fairly good job of it and my experiences were, if not typical, then at least within the bounds of those that real females may have received.  There were also real females playing in the corp and there was no harassment there that I saw.  Everyone was treated with respect.

I guess that I was lucky that in Eve the playerbase has a much higher average age (mid thirties I believe) that WoW (somewhere in the twenties I think, dragged down by a large number of teenage players) and so people's behaviour was more mature than one would expect.

Clearly WoW is not such a pleasant place to play if you are a girl if your assertions are correct there.

well there is one exception. All males play female blood elves, because male blood elves look terrible and are a joke to the horde.

and the very sound of a girl's voice on ventrilo is more than enough to provoke a nerd rush

[ErichHartmann]

Mecha Tengu wrote...
there is yet no proof that these are ACTUAL women. 

and by "gamers" do you mean people who play guitar hero, Sims, Dragon age on easy mode? (you gotta be kidding me if you think this is a mature, dark RPG) or as a nelf in WoW? I don't consider those gamers.

and we're not bothered at all, we are just kinda annoyed that video game companies have to conform to women's wishes, and hardcore content like nudity and violence are eithered heavily toned down or removed to appeal to a larger fanbase.

So many assumptions in your post.  Nudity has always been a sticky issue in Western video games.  You can thank the media and government officials who love to attack video games.  And how has violence been toned down?  I guess chopping off heads with blood gushing out is tame.