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[mosaiclobster]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

mosaiclobster wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

tpryan01 wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

well video games in general do not appeal to females.

What?

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I think Bioware should spend more money on the actual game than marketing
[/quote ] They wont sell many copies then

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I'd hate to pay for scrounged up DLC made by Bioware because they are short of funds

When did anyone mention DLC?

video games appeal to females as much as make up and hair removal appeal to me. Not so much, but other gay guys might be interested

I mentioned DLC, because that's what happens when you lack funds, you recycle crap to sell for $3-4 each to bring you back up

This has probably already been said multiple times, but women make up 30-40 percent of gamers. You're just basing your assumption on tired old gender stereotypes. Look how many women post on this forum!

I'll never understand why so many of you guys are so *bothered* by the mere suggestion that we get to see some proof of Lady Hawke's existence. We like playing as a female, so while a lot of you are getting pumped up on the concept art and cinematic trailer, we're just waiting for a glimpse at the character we could be playing.

there is yet no proof that these are ACTUAL women. 

and by "gamers" do you mean people who play guitar hero, Sims, Dragon age on easy mode? (you gotta be kidding me if you think this is a mature, dark RPG) or as a nelf in WoW? I don't consider those gamers.

and we're not bothered at all, we are just kinda annoyed that video game companies have to conform to women's wishes, and hardcore content like nudity and violence are eithered heavily toned down or removed to appeal to a larger fanbase.

Well you're in luck, because video game companies rarely do conform to "women's wishes" (whatever that means.. given that bioware already opts to create gender options, I don't think many big demands are being made here..). There are plenty of us who you would consider "real" gamers, which means playing as a straight male character the vast majority of the time. And that's fine! We obviously love gaming enough that we can have fun with an fps or a linear rpg without the option of a female character. But since bioware *does* give that option, they have a very loyal female fanbase who's really excited to see what they have to offer for fem!hawke.

And to my knowledge, hardcore content is not toned down to appeal to women. Next to nothing in games is designed to appeal to women- the devs have already said that their advertising caters to men because you're the larger fanbase. But oh, it's our fault when "hardcore" stuff is taken out? Um, unlikely..

[Mecha Tengu]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...
there is yet no proof that these are ACTUAL women. 

and by "gamers" do you mean people who play guitar hero, Sims, Dragon age on easy mode? (you gotta be kidding me if you think this is a mature, dark RPG) or as a nelf in WoW? I don't consider those gamers.

and we're not bothered at all, we are just kinda annoyed that video game companies have to conform to women's wishes, and hardcore content like nudity and violence are eithered heavily toned down or removed to appeal to a larger fanbase.

So many assumptions in your post.  Nudity has always been a sticky issue in Western video games.  You can thank the media and government officials who love to attack video games.  And how has violence been toned down?  I guess chopping off heads with blood gushing out is tame.     

decapitation is nothing

the Witcher had the balls for frontal nudity?

[mosaiclobster]

Mecha Tengu wrote...
there is yet no proof that these are ACTUAL women. 

and by "gamers" do you mean people who play guitar hero, Sims, Dragon age on easy mode? (you gotta be kidding me if you think this is a mature, dark RPG) or as a nelf in WoW? I don't consider those gamers.

and we're not bothered at all, we are just kinda annoyed that video game companies have to conform to women's wishes, and hardcore content like nudity and violence are eithered heavily toned down or removed to appeal to a larger fanbase.

Well you're in luck, because video game companies rarely do conform to "women's wishes" (whatever that means.. given that bioware already opts to create gender options, I don't think many big demands are being made here..). There are plenty of us who you would consider "real" gamers, which means playing as a straight male character the vast majority of the time. And that's fine! We obviously love gaming enough that we can have fun with an fps or a linear rpg without the option of a female character. But since bioware *does* give that option, they have a very loyal female fanbase who's really excited to see what they have to offer for fem!hawke.

And to my knowledge, hardcore content is not toned down to appeal to women. Next to nothing in games is designed to appeal to women- the devs have already said that their advertising caters to men because you're the larger fanbase. But oh, it's our fault when "hardcore" stuff is taken out? Um, unlikely..

Modifié par mosaiclobster, 25 août 2010 - 06:49 .

[Mecha Tengu]

mosaiclobster wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

mosaiclobster wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

tpryan01 wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

well video games in general do not appeal to females.

What?

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I think Bioware should spend more money on the actual game than marketing
[/quote ] They wont sell many copies then

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I'd hate to pay for scrounged up DLC made by Bioware because they are short of funds

When did anyone mention DLC?

video games appeal to females as much as make up and hair removal appeal to me. Not so much, but other gay guys might be interested

I mentioned DLC, because that's what happens when you lack funds, you recycle crap to sell for $3-4 each to bring you back up

This has probably already been said multiple times, but women make up 30-40 percent of gamers. You're just basing your assumption on tired old gender stereotypes. Look how many women post on this forum!

I'll never understand why so many of you guys are so *bothered* by the mere suggestion that we get to see some proof of Lady Hawke's existence. We like playing as a female, so while a lot of you are getting pumped up on the concept art and cinematic trailer, we're just waiting for a glimpse at the character we could be playing.

there is yet no proof that these are ACTUAL women. 

and by "gamers" do you mean people who play guitar hero, Sims, Dragon age on easy mode? (you gotta be kidding me if you think this is a mature, dark RPG) or as a nelf in WoW? I don't consider those gamers.

and we're not bothered at all, we are just kinda annoyed that video game companies have to conform to women's wishes, and hardcore content like nudity and violence are eithered heavily toned down or removed to appeal to a larger fanbase.

Well you're in luck, because video game companies rarely do conform to "women's wishes" (whatever that means.. given that bioware already opts to create gender options, I don't think many big demands are being made here..). There are plenty of us who you would consider "real" gamers, which means playing as a straight male character the vast majority of the time. And that's fine! We obviously love gaming enough that we can have fun with an fps or a linear rpg without the option of a female character. But since bioware *does* give that option, they have a very loyal female fanbase who's really excited to see what they have to offer for fem!hawke.

And to my knowledge, hardcore content is not toned down to appeal to women. Next to nothing in games is designed to appeal to women- the devs have already said that their advertising caters to men because you're the larger fanbase. But oh, it's our fault when "hardcore" stuff is taken out? Um, unlikely..

maybe directly not your faults, but probably as a result

in regards to a real game, I mean shooters without hitscan, actually "dark" rpgs, real time strategy, teamwork based games (like DoTA)

do you know how many people bitc.hed and moaned about great games like GTA and Witcher? how it was sooo sexist

[Tokion]

I think the statistic OP posted does not support her argument in any sense because we are talking about Dragon Age marketing here (being a cRPG). If you say 4 out of 10 players that plays RPG are female, I will say that is bullocks. If statistics like that were posted on the WoW forum, the first response would be "There are no gurlz on the internet".



Don't get me wrong, I would love Bioware to target the female audience more on their marketing. We need more females to roleplay with us AM I RITE?!

[Mecha Tengu]

Tokion wrote...
. If statistics like that were posted on the WoW forum, the first response would be "There are no gurlz on the internet".

wrong, all nelf, belf, draenei, human healers and rogues are women

there are very many girls who play WoW

[mosaiclobster]

So, we're the minority and we're not real gamers, but we somehow manage to ruin your fun in terms of violence and nudity? You can't have it both ways. Either we're part of the gaming community or we aren't.



And regardless of all that complaining, neither of those games changed. You just said yourself that Witcher has full frontal, and we know that GTA IV wasn't any less violent or sexual than the others. So seriously, what is your point?

[tpryan01]

I hear you, but it is harder to get those stats. This was a pretty good indication of direction though. If anyone can find crpg stats I would appreciate it.



My personal feeling is that if female WoW players knew what they could get in DA:O they would jump on it. But again that is just my personal feeling.

[Mecha Tengu]

mosaiclobster wrote...

So, we're the minority and we're not real gamers, but we somehow manage to ruin your fun in terms of violence and nudity? You can't have it both ways. Either we're part of the gaming community or we aren't.

And regardless of all that complaining, neither of those games changed. You just said yourself that Witcher has full frontal, and we know that GTA IV wasn't any less violent or sexual than the others. So seriously, what is your point?

here: http://spooky.ms11.net/pages/p2.html

this poor woman was offended because you could have sex with a stripper and then kill her afterwards.
Completely ignoring the fact that this is all choice and you can also choose to be the exact opposite (dating girls etc), she goes on to moan how sexist this game is

lol its GTA?!?! no sh*t its offensive, stop complaining and deal with it, you're ruining my hobby. Should we not make games like GTA anymore because women are offended? 

[Tooneyman]

I know the minute Bioware makes a commercial for lady hawke your going to SHIZZ your panties.

[tpryan01]

jln.francisco is right several people are trying to bury the conversation through obfuscation. I am going to start making mental notes on who to just not respond to.

[Mecha Tengu]

jln.francisco wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...
there is yet no proof that these are ACTUAL women. 

and by "gamers" do you mean people who play guitar hero, Sims, Dragon age on easy mode? (you gotta be kidding me if you think this is a mature, dark RPG) or as a nelf in WoW? I don't consider those gamers.

and we're not bothered at all, we are just kinda annoyed that video game companies have to conform to women's wishes, and hardcore content like nudity and violence are eithered heavily toned down or removed to appeal to a larger fanbase.

So many assumptions in your post.  Nudity has always been a sticky issue in Western video games.  You can thank the media and government officials who love to attack video games.  And how has violence been toned down?  I guess chopping off heads with blood gushing out is tame.     

decapitation is nothing

the Witcher had the balls for frontal nudity?

For those of you not familiar with arguing against tools and douchebags in general, what Mecha is doing is trying to force the discussion away from the actual issue and bring up an entirely unrelated subject where he stands a chance of being perceived as 'right'. (and making him right about the original topic as well) By sneaking in several assumptions that simply don't hold up under scrutiny you'll get 3 or four exchanges along and you'll find he's forced you to argue for something you never meant and that assumes a million and one things that should have been dismissed before they were even posted.

Regardless of whether it is a troll or actually believes what it's saying, it should be ignored. When it starts complaining about how no one will address its concerns, you'll know you've 'won.'

great im a douchebag
ad hominem for teh sexist male pig, and ofc you the white knight saves the pretty girl gamer from evil me
I have never gone off topic, or forced the discussion away at all, I am arguing and making points as to how females have impacted on the industry.

 

[mosaiclobster]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

mosaiclobster wrote...

So, we're the minority and we're not real gamers, but we somehow manage to ruin your fun in terms of violence and nudity? You can't have it both ways. Either we're part of the gaming community or we aren't.

And regardless of all that complaining, neither of those games changed. You just said yourself that Witcher has full frontal, and we know that GTA IV wasn't any less violent or sexual than the others. So seriously, what is your point?

here: http://spooky.ms11.net/pages/p2.html

this poor woman was offended because you could have sex with a stripper and then kill her afterwards.
Completely ignoring the fact that this is all choice and you can also choose to be the exact opposite (dating girls etc), she goes on to moan how sexist this game is

lol its GTA?!?! no sh*t its offensive, stop complaining and deal with it, you're ruining my hobby. Should we not make games like GTA anymore because women are offended? 

Way to completely ignore everything I said. GTA is not any different than it ever was. This woman's opinion has no basis on your gaming experience, and it clearly has no basis on the kind of games Rockstar is going to make. Plus, you're completely off-topic.

Bioware makes games with female PCs. A lot of people on this forum (men and women) are curious to see what the standard Fem!Hawke looks like, since we've already gotten to see Male!Hawke. That's all.

[Mecha Tengu]

oh



derp



well I want to see femhawke too

[addiction21]

tpryan01 wrote...


My personal feeling is that if female WoW players knew what they could get in DA:O they would jump on it. But again that is just my personal feeling.

I like that one. I guess we could only play as a big monster or a girl in purple. Yup no chance to play as a guy, elf, or dwarf in this one...





What exectly is it that the DA:O marketing is missing again?

[Mecha Tengu]

jln.francisco wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

great im a douchebag

 

I wouldn't call it great but am pleased to see we've found something we can agree on. 

[Saibh]

addiction21 wrote...

tpryan01 wrote...


My personal feeling is that if female WoW players knew what they could get in DA:O they would jump on it. But again that is just my personal feeling.

What exectly is it that the DA:O marketing is missing again?

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just pointing out that that cover is a fanmade cover from VGBoxart.

[tpryan01]

jln.francisco,



remember to watch out for obfuscation

[scootermcgaffin]

jln.francisco wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Sorry, but this whole thread seems like a tempest in a teapot.

So why would you read/post in it?

Well how else would we know how totally above it all he or she is?

[Russalka]

I have to ask again, why does full frontal nudity only mean naked women?