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[Werewolf2010]

 I'm a male, so I'm not sure I really understand what you mean, but all I can say is that the only way I ever get information about most games is because I seek it out. There were plenty of screenshots of all kinds of warriors, mages, and rouges of each gender so I just assumed you could make whatever you wanted. If you are talking about the trailers I guess they do feature the average joe male human, but always know that none of my characters ever end up looking like that anyway because customization options are always the first thing I like to look up. Maybe if they show both gendered wardens in a cinema on TV it might help, but I'm not sure how much, since I only saw the first dragon age trailer on tv once after it had already been out a while. 

Modifié par Werewolf2010, 17 septembre 2010 - 02:33 .

[Riona45]

aaniadyen wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

savagesparrow wrote...

I'd say it's really different for RPGs because the genre doesn't really require a whole lot of skill to get into--it's more about the story.

I see some unfortunate implications.

Maybe, but why focus on the one part of an otherwise good post that you might not agree with?

Umm, because that was the part that I felt most interested in commenting on?

[Shadow_broker]

Women have no rights



Get back in the kitchen, Not really but Female protaginist rarley work in mainstream media outside of chick flicks and Chick lit (books)

Their light voices can't pull of the epic hero figure

[Riona45]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

savagesparrow wrote...

I'd say it's really different for RPGs because the genre doesn't really require a whole lot of skill to get into--it's more about the story.

I see some unfortunate implications.

The statement is actually true for all genders, not just women.  Shooters are somewhat tricky for people new to gaming to get their heads around, between having to keep track of multiple enemies, ammo, when to reload, where to take cover, etc.

I don't want to belabor the point, but the full quote was:

While I'd agree that there's not a whole lot of chicks into shooters and RTS games (I go to lan parties. I'm usually the only lady =\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ), I'd say it's really different for RPGs because the genre doesn't really require a whole lot of skill to get into--it's more about the story.

While I don't think it was intended, this statement kind of implied, to me, that women need games to be "easier" or they won't get into them.  I only pointed this out because I don't think we should give any ground (even unintentionally) to the people who undoubtedly *do* believe that.

Modifié par Riona45, 17 septembre 2010 - 04:45 .

[Riona45]

JeCy108 wrote...
So in the end girls, dont talk about being gamers, go buy some games, and start playing and make your voice heard, perhaps in the end i can enjoy my gaming more.. 

Umm, you're talking to women who are already BioWare customers.  Don't those games count?

And by the way, I think your "encouragement" is phony and condescending.

Modifié par Riona45, 17 septembre 2010 - 04:55 .

[Riona45]

savagesparrow wrote...

But yeah, I didn't mean to offend anyone with my "RPGs take less skill" comment, but admit it--with your typical JRPG ATB system most battles come down to 'press a, wait, press b, wait, heal, press a again" --not nearly as complicated as learning a new map for an FPS or all the effort that goes into learning the latest tactical strategies of Starcraft 2, which seem to change every two days.

Please read my above post--I didn't think the unfortunate implications were unfortunate towards RPG gamers, I thought they were unfortunate towards female gamers.  And again, I'm pretty sure you didn't intend this, but I don't want people who honestly believe that we need games (among other things) to be easier than men do to feel "encouraged" by that statement.

Modifié par Riona45, 17 septembre 2010 - 04:57 .

[zahra]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Women have no rights

Get back in the kitchen, Not really but Female protaginist rarley work in mainstream media outside of chick flicks and Chick lit (books)
Their light voices can't pull of the epic hero figure

First correction

1. Protagonists




Second correction





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http://www.gifsoup.c...r.php?id=281944

[Saibh]

zahra wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Women have no rights

Get back in the kitchen, Not really but Female protaginist rarley work in mainstream media outside of chick flicks and Chick lit (books)
Their light voices can't pull of the epic hero figure

First correction

1. Protagonists

Second correction

He's trolling. Just ignore him. He's the kind of troll you give power to by feeding.

[zahra]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

zahra wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Oh, I like zahra. Her cynicism and frustration nearly matches my own. Give into your hate, and let us rule the galaxy as father and son! I'd have to cut off your hand, but still.

Ooh I've always wanted to have a sinister hooded father who speaks like his mouth is a ventilation duct. Losing a hand is ok as long as I get to fulfill this worthy ambition.

And I've always wanted a son of whom I can braid his hair and eat ice cream with and generally be great ****es with each other!

Now prove your evilness by playing Bayonetta!  For eighteen hours!  Straight!

Jeez, ten years from now I can say thanks for the carpal tunnel syndrome dad. <_<

Totally going to act out on my frustration by wrecking your space station when you're out. Death Star shall become a gay bar! Muhahhahahha

[zahra]

Saibh wrote...

zahra wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Women have no rights

Get back in the kitchen, Not really but Female protaginist rarley work in mainstream media outside of chick flicks and Chick lit (books)
Their light voices can't pull of the epic hero figure

First correction

1. Protagonists

Second correction

He's trolling. Just ignore him. He's the kind of troll you give power to by feeding.

Hey, any excuse to put up Kill Bill gifs and procrastinating. 

[JeCy108]

Riona45 wrote...

JeCy108 wrote...
So in the end girls, dont talk about being gamers, go buy some games, and start playing and make your voice heard, perhaps in the end i can enjoy my gaming more.. 

Umm, you're talking to women who are already BioWare customers.  Don't those games count?

And by the way, I think your "encouragement" is phony and condescending.

thats always good,  insult the person thats on your side that thinks more games should be geared towards female protagonists would be a great thing.



Just because i think that whole survey that  that states this... 
  .

Of the 117 million active gamers in the U.S., 56 percent play games online. Sixty-four percent of those online gamers are female, according to results of the survey, released by Nielsen Entertainment on Thursday.

Read more: http://news.cnet.com...l#ixzz0znzo1rkI


Is complete and utter hogwash.. doesnt mean i have anything against girl gamers..  Some of my best freinds in online games are girls.. that still doesnt change the fact that from my experiance in 5 major MMO's the ratio of girls to guys is 15% to 20%  would be pushing it..  So untill they post some more data, and give some hard numbers of what these girls are playing im calling the survey complete bunk.

[JeCy108]

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You really need a picture of gabby, She was the real hero..  

[Shadow_broker]

Saibh wrote...

zahra wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Women have no rights

Get back in the kitchen, Not really but Female protaginist rarley work in mainstream media outside of chick flicks and Chick lit (books)
Their light voices can't pull of the epic hero figure

First correction

1. Protagonists

Second correction

He's trolling. Just ignore him. He's the kind of troll you give power to by feeding.

What?
You have an odd definition of trolling, I don't see many Female protagonist in action/adventure genre who pull off the role well. There are exceptions such as Femshep from mass effect but movvies such as bloody rayne and tomb raider are just hard for me to take seriously.
Many female actors im sure could lead the way as a Protagonist in Drama, horror, Or chickflick/lit but the action/adventure genre is dominated by male Proggys and rarley see exceptions

[Lord Gremlin]

JeCy108 wrote...

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You really need a picture of gabby, She was the real hero..  

She was your typical sidekick.

[Lord Gremlin]

Shadow_broker wrote...
 I don't see many Female protagonist in action/adventure genre who pull off the role well. There are exceptions such as Femshep from mass effect but movvies such as bloody rayne and tomb raider are just hard for me to take seriously.  

Blood Rayne main character is just fine - in games. That said, she's not human and has little of human personality. She's a ruthless monster, enjoying violence. Sometimes she shows lust for revenge and she really loves herself (typical egocentric). Not a very good example for an RPG, since it's a naturally very shallow character.

[Stanley Woo]

Shadow_broker wrote...
Female protaginist rarley work in mainstream media outside of chick flicks and Chick lit (books)

Tomb Raider, Bloodrayne, Resident Evil, Nancy Drew, Veronica Mars, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Honor Harrington, Temperance Brennan, Birds of Prey, Sanctuary, Scream, Aliens, Victoria Nelson, Twilight, The Seven Sisters, Girl Genius, Danger Girl.

And that's just stuff I can think of off the top of my head. Looks like i've got comic books, movies, video games, science-fiction, fantasy, and television in there. tell me again how these femaleprotagonists "rarely work in mainstream media," because I'm just not seeing your point.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 septembre 2010 - 05:05 .

[Lord_Valandil]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...
Female protaginist rarley work in mainstream media outside of chick flicks and Chick lit (books)

Tomb Raider, Bloodrayne, Resident Evil, Nancy Drew, Veronica Mars, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Honor Harrington, Temperance Brennan, Birds of Prey, Sanctuary, Scream, Aliens, Victoria Nelson, Twilight, The Seven Sisters, Girl Genius, Danger Girl.

And that's just stuff I can think of off the top of my head. Looks like i've got comic books, movies, video games, science-fiction, fantasy, and television in there. tell me again how these femaleprotagonists "rarely work in mainstream media," because I'm just not seeing your point.

Also: Perfect Dark, Kameo, Kingdom Under Fire, Silent Hill, Mass Effect, Metroid...

And the list can grow even more...

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 17 septembre 2010 - 05:25 .

[Merci357]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...
Female protaginist rarley work in mainstream media outside of chick flicks and Chick lit (books)

Tomb Raider, Bloodrayne, Resident Evil, Nancy Drew, Veronica Mars, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Honor Harrington, Temperance Brennan, Birds of Prey, Sanctuary, Scream, Aliens, Victoria Nelson, Twilight, The Seven Sisters, Girl Genius, Danger Girl.

And that's just stuff I can think of off the top of my head. Looks like i've got comic books, movies, video games, science-fiction, fantasy, and television in there. tell me again how these femaleprotagonists "rarely work in mainstream media," because I'm just not seeing your point.

Let's add Kill Bill, AEon Flux, ultraViolet,  Underworld + Underworld: Evolution or even Star Trek: Voyager to that list. Or, for games, No One Lives Forever.

[Shadow_broker]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...
Female protaginist rarley work in mainstream media outside of chick flicks and Chick lit (books)

Tomb Raider, Bloodrayne, Resident Evil, Nancy Drew, Veronica Mars, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Honor Harrington, Temperance Brennan, Birds of Prey, Sanctuary, Scream, Aliens, Victoria Nelson, Twilight, The Seven Sisters, Girl Genius, Danger Girl.

And that's just stuff I can think of off the top of my head. Looks like i've got comic books, movies, video games, science-fiction, fantasy, and television in there. tell me again how these femaleprotagonists "rarely work in mainstream media," because I'm just not seeing your point.

I was referring to action/adventure genre. Female proggies do fine in drama an other genres, just rarley see them as fit for action hero
Most of what you listed was light hearted and would not consider any of them Great action/adventure heroes in the same league of the legendary action/adventure Proggies such as Indianna jones,Rambo, Han solo, Or Christian bales version of batman.
They do exsist in maintstream media, I just think Male Proggies have shown more promise in the genre.

Not trying to offened i'd like to point out that i think there are exceptions such as Sarah conor from Terminator and I think Femshep is great in the mass effect series.

[Shadow_broker]

slimgrin wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...
Female protaginist rarley work in mainstream media outside of chick flicks and Chick lit (books)

Tomb Raider, Bloodrayne, Resident Evil, Nancy Drew, Veronica Mars, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Honor Harrington, Temperance Brennan, Birds of Prey, Sanctuary, Scream, Aliens, Victoria Nelson, Twilight, The Seven Sisters, Girl Genius, Danger Girl.

And that's just stuff I can think of off the top of my head. Looks like i've got comic books, movies, video games, science-fiction, fantasy, and television in there. tell me again how these femaleprotagonists "rarely work in mainstream media," because I'm just not seeing your point.

Don't forget Anime. Ghost in the shell, Gunslinger girl, Tokyo Godfathers - all of these portray strong, often tragic female protagonists. 

I personally think Bioware has featured admirable women in their games.

Bioware has done great with all characters in their games,
I do not take Anime seriously. Male or Female Proggy i find it absurd.

[AlainNagel]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...
Female protaginist rarley work in mainstream media outside of chick flicks and Chick lit (books)

Tomb Raider, Bloodrayne, Resident Evil, Nancy Drew, Veronica Mars, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Honor Harrington, Temperance Brennan, Birds of Prey, Sanctuary, Scream, Aliens, Victoria Nelson, Twilight, The Seven Sisters, Girl Genius, Danger Girl.

And that's just stuff I can think of off the top of my head. Looks like i've got comic books, movies, video games, science-fiction, fantasy, and television in there. tell me again how these femaleprotagonists "rarely work in mainstream media," because I'm just not seeing your point.

I was referring to action/adventure genre. Female proggies do fine in drama an other genres, just rarley see them as fit for action hero
Most of what you listed was light hearted and would not consider any of them Great action/adventure heroes in the same league of the legendary action/adventure Proggies such as Indianna jones,Rambo, Han solo, Or Christian bales version of batman.
They do exsist in maintstream media, I just think Male Proggies have shown more promise in the genre.

Not trying to offened i'd like to point out that i think there are exceptions such as Sarah conor from Terminator and I think Femshep is great in the mass effect series.

Io9.com had a knock-out series a year ago between famous TV characters, River Tam (and she's mostly a supporting role) won against opponents like Batman and Captain Kirk.

[Shadow_broker]

AlainNagel wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...
Female protaginist rarley work in mainstream media outside of chick flicks and Chick lit (books)

Tomb Raider, Bloodrayne, Resident Evil, Nancy Drew, Veronica Mars, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Honor Harrington, Temperance Brennan, Birds of Prey, Sanctuary, Scream, Aliens, Victoria Nelson, Twilight, The Seven Sisters, Girl Genius, Danger Girl.

And that's just stuff I can think of off the top of my head. Looks like i've got comic books, movies, video games, science-fiction, fantasy, and television in there. tell me again how these femaleprotagonists "rarely work in mainstream media," because I'm just not seeing your point.

I was referring to action/adventure genre. Female proggies do fine in drama an other genres, just rarley see them as fit for action hero
Most of what you listed was light hearted and would not consider any of them Great action/adventure heroes in the same league of the legendary action/adventure Proggies such as Indianna jones,Rambo, Han solo, Or Christian bales version of batman.
They do exsist in maintstream media, I just think Male Proggies have shown more promise in the genre.

Not trying to offened i'd like to point out that i think there are exceptions such as Sarah conor from Terminator and I think Femshep is great in the mass effect series.

Io9.com had a knock-out series a year ago between famous TV characters, River Tam (and she's mostly a supporting role) won against opponents like Batman and Captain Kirk.

70's batman maybe, But River Tam is not in the League of The dark knight.
Never heard of Io9.com and if they made that comparison im glad i didn't

Don't care for star Trek

[AlainNagel]

Shadow_broker wrote...

AlainNagel wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...
Female protaginist rarley work in mainstream media outside of chick flicks and Chick lit (books)

Tomb Raider, Bloodrayne, Resident Evil, Nancy Drew, Veronica Mars, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Honor Harrington, Temperance Brennan, Birds of Prey, Sanctuary, Scream, Aliens, Victoria Nelson, Twilight, The Seven Sisters, Girl Genius, Danger Girl.

And that's just stuff I can think of off the top of my head. Looks like i've got comic books, movies, video games, science-fiction, fantasy, and television in there. tell me again how these femaleprotagonists "rarely work in mainstream media," because I'm just not seeing your point.

I was referring to action/adventure genre. Female proggies do fine in drama an other genres, just rarley see them as fit for action hero
Most of what you listed was light hearted and would not consider any of them Great action/adventure heroes in the same league of the legendary action/adventure Proggies such as Indianna jones,Rambo, Han solo, Or Christian bales version of batman.
They do exsist in maintstream media, I just think Male Proggies have shown more promise in the genre.

Not trying to offened i'd like to point out that i think there are exceptions such as Sarah conor from Terminator and I think Femshep is great in the mass effect series.

Io9.com had a knock-out series a year ago between famous TV characters, River Tam (and she's mostly a supporting role) won against opponents like Batman and Captain Kirk.

70's batman maybe, But River Tam is not in the League of The dark knight.
Never heard of Io9.com and if they made that comparison im glad i didn't

Don't care for star Trek

They're mostly about SF-news, this was a reader poll that put characters head-to-head. The staff was a bit surprised about the outcome as well.
The result may be a bit skewered by all the Firefly-groupies out there but it shows that there are good/interesting female characters in action/adventure (haven't seen any love on this forum for [tv]The Middleman[/tv], but oh well). The numbers may not  be higher then their male counterparts, it doesn't mean they're non excistent.

I do have an issue with the reasoning of the OP of why there should be new female gamers playing DragonAge, stating that this would make female players more important. Shouldn't the reason be so they can have some f**ing fun actually playing the game? If the women you know don't like playing this style of RPG show them some Fable 2 as an intro and maybe they'll grow into playing DA. If they don't then don't push it onto them for your own causes. [/rant]

[marquiseondore]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...
Female protaginist rarley work in mainstream media outside of chick flicks and Chick lit (books)

Tomb Raider, Bloodrayne, Resident Evil, Nancy Drew, Veronica Mars, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Honor Harrington, Temperance Brennan, Birds of Prey, Sanctuary, Scream, Aliens, Victoria Nelson, Twilight, The Seven Sisters, Girl Genius, Danger Girl.

And that's just stuff I can think of off the top of my head. Looks like i've got comic books, movies, video games, science-fiction, fantasy, and television in there. tell me again how these femaleprotagonists "rarely work in mainstream media," because I'm just not seeing your point.

I was referring to action/adventure genre. Female proggies do fine in drama an other genres, just rarley see them as fit for action hero
Most of what you listed was light hearted and would not consider any of them Great action/adventure heroes in the same league of the legendary action/adventure Proggies such as Indianna jones,Rambo, Han solo, Or Christian bales version of batman.
They do exsist in maintstream media, I just think Male Proggies have shown more promise in the genre.

Not trying to offened i'd like to point out that i think there are exceptions such as Sarah conor from Terminator and I think Femshep is great in the mass effect series.

Red Sonja wih Brigitte Nielsen, Princess Leia (Carrie Fisher), and every movie with Pam Grier .