my first playthrough.. i thought loghain was just evil and let alistair kill him. my second playthrough, which became my main file, I decided maybe he just made some misguided decisions and i developed a certain sympathy for him and so i spared him and let him sacrifice himself to kill the archdemon. then i started reading dragon age the stolen throne and that only reinforced that maybe he's not that bad of a guy... until about the last third of the book. now I realize that he really is just a bastard. Loghain thinks he knows everything and doesn't seem to understand the concepts of compassion or compromise. i hate his ****iness and stupid "icy blue eyes."
sorry i just wanted to express my feelings on loghain's dumbness... also it sucks how ugly the stolen throne ended up being
how bad could this god baby be? hopefully not so bad as loghain going down as a hero or i am going to cry.
I redecided I hate Loghain
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 07:53
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All of that can be forgiven however, because of his voice.
Generally I'm strictly butter-side-up, but that is a voice that can make the straightest man turn lavender in seconds.
Generally I'm strictly butter-side-up, but that is a voice that can make the straightest man turn lavender in seconds.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 08:44
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DapperDan77 wrote...
All of that can be forgiven however, because of his voice.
Generally I'm strictly butter-side-up, but that is a voice that can make the straightest man turn lavender in seconds.
Hottest male speaking voice EVER.
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 02:44
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Yeah we all love Simon Templeman.
Lohgaine is a bastard, not a evil bastard. Dont misunderstand them and he IS forgiavble when he takes one for the team aginst the Archdemon.
Personaly as the resident cold voice of reason, I view him as a powerful tool to be used. Anora and Lohgaine are superior leaders compared to Alistair who would be a puppet king anyway.
Lohgaine is a bastard, not a evil bastard. Dont misunderstand them and he IS forgiavble when he takes one for the team aginst the Archdemon.
Personaly as the resident cold voice of reason, I view him as a powerful tool to be used. Anora and Lohgaine are superior leaders compared to Alistair who would be a puppet king anyway.
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Personaly as the resident cold voice of reason, I view him as a powerful tool to be used.
Thing is, what I never understood was why the game implies that Loghain would ALLOW being used by the PC - or why the PC would want to conscript him at all in the first place. And I'm saying this totally independent of my personal opinion of him... it's just I find the logic behind it all a bit flawed.
What I mean is this: Loghain has been wanting your demise throughout the whole game (more or less actively), and has also on numerous occasions made clear his doubts as to the GW's abilities. What logical reason is there that he, after losing at the Landsmeet, would be suddenly willing to join you and this organisation he doesn't even respect? Even if you conscript him against his will, what's stopping him from abandoning the whole cause then and there (just as Alistair does when you spare him), or to simply betray you? I can hardly believe that after all this time, from the position he's had up til the Landsmeet, with his thick-headedness and after all he's done, he would from one minute to the next suddenly have an epiphany which would lead him to want to repent, side with the others he's been villainising just a few moments before and accept the GW's cause unquestioningly!
As for the PC's view: your PC doesn't know Loghain. Your PC knows that Loghain betrayed Cailan (for whatever reasons), that he's proclaimed himself ruler against the customs of Ferelden, that he's after your hide and that he doesn't regard the GW's very highly. Why on earth would any PC want to conscript him, knowing only this about him (and maybe that he's a good fighter)? And what would make any PC think that a man of power like Loghain would ever submit to his wishes? You're not the Hero of Ferelden yet, especially not in Loghain's eyes.
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Anora and Lohgaine are superior leaders compared to Alistair who would be a puppet king anyway.
According to the game, Alistair isn't the worst leader imaginable.
Apart from that, I think the world has seen quite a few powerful and charismatic leaders who didn't always act in the best interest for their countries...
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If Riordan had explained how the Archdemon must be killed, it would've made quite a bit more sense, but as it is, yeah, you kind of have to assume that he's being honest with everyone. The game acts like it's a purely moral decision, so that's kind of the way you're forced to treat it.
It's a very bad move, to usurp a leader who has proven to be more than competent simply because the guy getting put on the throne is the former king's bastard child, or worse, because he's your buddy. This is all assuming he's still soft, of course - he turns out to be a very effective ruler if he's hardened.Caladhiel wrote...
According to the game, Alistair isn't the worst leader imaginable.
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But that's just it - Loghain was extremely competent as long as he wasn't leader. The only thing he achieved by proclaiming himself the new Regent was to descend the land into chaos, usurping the only people who would be able to effectively conquer the threat.rayzorium wrote...
It's a very bad move, to usurp a leader who has proven to be more than competent simply because the guy getting put on the throne is the former king's bastard child, or worse, because he's your buddy. This is all assuming he's still soft, of course - he turns out to be a very effective ruler if he's hardened.Caladhiel wrote...
According to the game, Alistair isn't the worst leader imaginable.
You are right, though, of course, that the PC has no idea that Alistair will be a good king. Alistair would, on the other hand, be a perfect puppet for all the PC knows (far more so than Loghain, at any rate - even more of a good reason for a calculating PC to want Alistair on the throne)
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Posté 23 août 2010 - 04:54
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I was actually talking about Anora. Heh, I think *anyone* on the throne would have been better than Loghain, who managed to make the worst possible decision in every scenario since the Darkspawn showed up. However, once he was taken care of, the logical thing to do would have been to reinstate Anora, who had already done a fine job of ruling for the past five years.
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Anora is definety the best one on the throne and probably having Alistair and her Marry is probably the best scenario for him as ruler even though he just gonna replace Cailen.
Loghaine most people are on the fence with, I really think he makes perfect Warden material though. Willing to do anything for what he belives is right for his people. Thats pretty much what Wardens do. Also as a player Warden your privy to insider info he didnt have. You KNOW 100% SURE theres a archdemon and later on Riordan lets you in on the secret to kill one. Loghaine didnt know this plus Lohgaines fears are justified about Orlais moving in to recapture Ferelden in its moments of weakness. Most people didnt read the novels so they dont know that all of Fereleden were slaves to Orlais less then a generation ago.
Loghaine most people are on the fence with, I really think he makes perfect Warden material though. Willing to do anything for what he belives is right for his people. Thats pretty much what Wardens do. Also as a player Warden your privy to insider info he didnt have. You KNOW 100% SURE theres a archdemon and later on Riordan lets you in on the secret to kill one. Loghaine didnt know this plus Lohgaines fears are justified about Orlais moving in to recapture Ferelden in its moments of weakness. Most people didnt read the novels so they dont know that all of Fereleden were slaves to Orlais less then a generation ago.
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Quoted for truthLast Darkness wrote...
Anora is definety the best one on the throne and probably having Alistair and her Marry is probably the best scenario for him as ruler even though he just gonna replace Cailen.
Of course he's willing to do what's right for his people, noone ever questioned that. The only thing that bothers me is why he should suddenly think that what the Grey Wardens do is right after all. Why he should suddenly make a full U-turn after the Landsmeet, why he should be willing to join a cause he doesn't believe in and has been boycotting throughout the whole game.Last Darkness wrote...
Loghaine most people are on the fence with, I really think he makes perfect Warden material though. Willing to do anything for what he belives is right for his people. Thats pretty much what Wardens do. Also as a player Warden your privy to insider info he didnt have. You KNOW 100% SURE theres a archdemon and later on Riordan lets you in on the secret to kill one. Loghaine didnt know this plus Lohgaines fears are justified about Orlais moving in to recapture Ferelden in its moments of weakness. Most people didnt read the novels so they dont know that all of Fereleden were slaves to Orlais less then a generation ago.
Loghain doesn't know there's an Archdemon? That's his own fault for not listening to the GW's counsel. Even if he doesn't know, Ostagar should have opened his eyes to the extent of the threat - or did the sheer numbers of Darkspawn escape him? And that his fear of Orlais is way over the top is shown clearly at the Landsmeet, where he doesn't find any sympathy at all for his views (and makes him seem a little paranoid, to say the least). I simply think that Loghain is so caught up in his intrigues, his power, his will to do the best for his country at any cost, that he's totally blinded to everything else - and thus I find it highly improbably that the PC's beating him in a petty duel should suddenly tear down this whole wall he's built around himself.
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Firstly, as said: Loghain along with the new wardens and everyone else do not know that it takes a warden to "kill" an archdemon. Hence being a general who has defeated Orlais, it is perfectly understandable that he does not think that the wardens are needed to defeat a blight - tall tales maybe. One cannot be a great general if they do not trust their own judgement, take responsibility for their actions good or bad. Loghain fits that description.
The Landsmeet duel is not only about skill but honor as well. Unless Loghain has no honor, it is very likely that he will submit himself to the warden following his defeat. Loghain does not need to like the Warden or agree with the Warden but he is honor-bound to follow the warden and do his bidding.
Maybe Riordan recognizes Loghian's love for his country and will do everything to save it suggested to make him a warden - after all, Loghain has more reason than any other Warden to see the archdemon dead. He will give his life to kill the aarchdemon because of Feralden, because of Meric, because of Rowan, because of Anora and also for himself - his pride, honor and love will not allow him to "chicken" out when the moment comes - hence the perfect Warden ... unless if u ask him to save Orlais....
The Landsmeet duel is not only about skill but honor as well. Unless Loghain has no honor, it is very likely that he will submit himself to the warden following his defeat. Loghain does not need to like the Warden or agree with the Warden but he is honor-bound to follow the warden and do his bidding.
Maybe Riordan recognizes Loghian's love for his country and will do everything to save it suggested to make him a warden - after all, Loghain has more reason than any other Warden to see the archdemon dead. He will give his life to kill the aarchdemon because of Feralden, because of Meric, because of Rowan, because of Anora and also for himself - his pride, honor and love will not allow him to "chicken" out when the moment comes - hence the perfect Warden ... unless if u ask him to save Orlais....
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Ah, see - that's where our views differ. It all depends so much on how you play your character 
The problem is that your PC doesn't know Loghain, and also has far less insight into his motives than you have as player. You have seen the cutscenes, your PC hasn't (obviously). What your PC knows is: Loghain is a great general who played a leading role in Ferelden's fight for independance. He didn't agree with Cailan's approach to Ostagar. He betrayed his king and left him to die on the battlefield (no matter the motives). He made a grab for the throne against the consent of many nobles, thus splitting the country. He is boycotting you in every possible way, proclaiming you traitors (he literally blames YOU for the outcome at Ostagar and lets everyone think YOU betrayed the king - it is a phrase often used in the game), setting the guards against you, and even sending a hired assassin after you. He tries to have his greatest noble opponent poisoned. He doesn't hide his contempt for the Grey Wardens or yourself, thinking you incapable even though you've obviously proven otherwise.He lets Arl Howe do as he pleases (and we all know what HE's done).
So again, why should my PC wish to have him on her side? You say Loghain has honour. My PC says he doesn't, else he would have died alongside Cailan on the battlefield (for all your PC knows, the battle would have been won if Loghain hadn't turned his back). He would not have made the grab for power, instead he would have let Anora continue ruling and established himself as her counselor and war general at her side - no need to bring up half the country against him in such a situation. He would not have sent a hired killer after you, which has everything to do with intrigue, but nothing with honour. Same with the poisoning of Arl Eamon - very honourable indeed.
As for trusting his own judgement: how could my PC have faith in a man who has let someone like Arl Howe run wild, imprisoning nobles, selling elves into slavery, etc. Loghain knew what a scumbag Howe was. He might not have known 100% what Howe was doing, but he could not have ignored everything that went on under his nose. Whatever his reasons for sanctioning Howe's actions, they were definitely not in the interest of the country, and they threw a more than bad light on him.
And as for the Grey Wardens: it is recorded that they are needed to defeat Blights, and everyone believes that except for Loghain. It doesn't matter that noone knows exactly WHY they are needed - but simply ignoring all previous experiences with something as big as a threat to a whole nation should make one consider at least the possibility that there might be a grain of truth in all of the 'old tales'.
Seeing this, how could my PC possibly think that Loghain should be suited to fight at her side? His (for my PC not so apparent) love of his country is simply not an argument for her to want to take him with her. He's willing to sacrifice himself? So are thousands of other Fereldans as well (deserters not included, I'm talking about the all the people willing to give up their lives to save their homes), including my PC^^
But hey, this is just my opinion. These were the feelings I had on my very first playthrough, and they haven't significantly changed since then.
The problem is that your PC doesn't know Loghain, and also has far less insight into his motives than you have as player. You have seen the cutscenes, your PC hasn't (obviously). What your PC knows is: Loghain is a great general who played a leading role in Ferelden's fight for independance. He didn't agree with Cailan's approach to Ostagar. He betrayed his king and left him to die on the battlefield (no matter the motives). He made a grab for the throne against the consent of many nobles, thus splitting the country. He is boycotting you in every possible way, proclaiming you traitors (he literally blames YOU for the outcome at Ostagar and lets everyone think YOU betrayed the king - it is a phrase often used in the game), setting the guards against you, and even sending a hired assassin after you. He tries to have his greatest noble opponent poisoned. He doesn't hide his contempt for the Grey Wardens or yourself, thinking you incapable even though you've obviously proven otherwise.He lets Arl Howe do as he pleases (and we all know what HE's done).
So again, why should my PC wish to have him on her side? You say Loghain has honour. My PC says he doesn't, else he would have died alongside Cailan on the battlefield (for all your PC knows, the battle would have been won if Loghain hadn't turned his back). He would not have made the grab for power, instead he would have let Anora continue ruling and established himself as her counselor and war general at her side - no need to bring up half the country against him in such a situation. He would not have sent a hired killer after you, which has everything to do with intrigue, but nothing with honour. Same with the poisoning of Arl Eamon - very honourable indeed.
As for trusting his own judgement: how could my PC have faith in a man who has let someone like Arl Howe run wild, imprisoning nobles, selling elves into slavery, etc. Loghain knew what a scumbag Howe was. He might not have known 100% what Howe was doing, but he could not have ignored everything that went on under his nose. Whatever his reasons for sanctioning Howe's actions, they were definitely not in the interest of the country, and they threw a more than bad light on him.
And as for the Grey Wardens: it is recorded that they are needed to defeat Blights, and everyone believes that except for Loghain. It doesn't matter that noone knows exactly WHY they are needed - but simply ignoring all previous experiences with something as big as a threat to a whole nation should make one consider at least the possibility that there might be a grain of truth in all of the 'old tales'.
Seeing this, how could my PC possibly think that Loghain should be suited to fight at her side? His (for my PC not so apparent) love of his country is simply not an argument for her to want to take him with her. He's willing to sacrifice himself? So are thousands of other Fereldans as well (deserters not included, I'm talking about the all the people willing to give up their lives to save their homes), including my PC^^
But hey, this is just my opinion. These were the feelings I had on my very first playthrough, and they haven't significantly changed since then.
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I can see your point - as for some reasons for PC to accept Loghain...Seeing this, how could my PC possibly think that Loghain should be suited to fight at her side?
1) Maybe the PC just respects Riordan's recommendation because he has been a Warden for umm.. a few weeks?
2) Maybe after seeing the support Loghain has and how the people regard him, he feels that he is more useful alive for a while - at least no Loghain loyalist or opportunist will use this to make things worst.
3) Maybe the PC thinks that death is too easy a way out for Loghain
4) Maybe the PC notice the beacon Tower crawling with darkspawn is a sign that the battle has gone south? After all it is suppose to be an easy mission and has his doubts?
5) Maybe the PC is a dwarven noble and is immune to the things Loghain is doing to him because Bhelan has harden him
What is Loghain compare to Bhelan?
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Posté 26 août 2010 - 01:23
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Amateur:blink:ashwind wrote...
What is Loghain compare to Bhelan?
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@ashwind: Good, but not good enough 
Weren't you just saying previously that great generals should trust their own judgement...?^^
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1) Maybe the PC just respects Riordan's recommendation because he has been a Warden for umm.. a few weeks?
Weren't you just saying previously that great generals should trust their own judgement...?^^
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Caladhiel wrote...
@ashwind: Good, but not good enoughashwind wrote...
1) Maybe the PC just respects Riordan's recommendation because he has been a Warden for umm.. a few weeks?
Weren't you just saying previously that great generals should trust their own judgement...?^^
Yeah, see, I see Riordan's whole suggestion to conscript Loghain as a political move, pure and simple. He goes from "I can't make up any more joining rituals" in Howe's dungeon to suddenly "having enough for a joining" at the landsmeet mere (days?) after. And only because Riordan wants *Loghain* to become a Warden.
And then there's the whole comparison to Sophia Dryden, if you played Warden's Peak. Guy with political clout, in a fight for the throne, loses and would be executed but is conscripted instead ... even though we learn things that may or may not mitigate the circumstances in both cases, Ferelden's case history with this scenario is not encouraging.
At least that's how I viewed those things. And father or no, Anora isn't nearly as fit to rule as she should be if she just lets her father take over and start making all the decisions for her the moment she's widowed. That is just as bad as dropping unhardened Alistair on the throne.
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Posté 26 août 2010 - 07:29
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jenncgf wrote...
Caladhiel wrote...
@ashwind: Good, but not good enoughashwind wrote...
1) Maybe the PC just respects Riordan's recommendation because he has been a Warden for umm.. a few weeks?
Weren't you just saying previously that great generals should trust their own judgement...?^^
Yeah, see, I see Riordan's whole suggestion to conscript Loghain as a political move, pure and simple. He goes from "I can't make up any more joining rituals" in Howe's dungeon to suddenly "having enough for a joining" at the landsmeet mere (days?) after. And only because Riordan wants *Loghain* to become a Warden.
And then there's the whole comparison to Sophia Dryden, if you played Warden's Peak. Guy with political clout, in a fight for the throne, loses and would be executed but is conscripted instead ... even though we learn things that may or may not mitigate the circumstances in both cases, Ferelden's case history with this scenario is not encouraging.
At least that's how I viewed those things. And father or no, Anora isn't nearly as fit to rule as she should be if she just lets her father take over and start making all the decisions for her the moment she's widowed. That is just as bad as dropping unhardened Alistair on the throne.
Cold Logic, Whats more benficial a great warrior and general with alot of politcal and military power being executed, or being condemed to death in battle as a member of your order? Im not directing this comment just at you but alot of people who play teh games view the Wardens as a Righteuous, Sacred Holy Knights full of honour and it is a priviledge and great honour to join them to fight for good. How Disillusioned they must be to find out that joining the Wardens is a death sentance and that they are often called to do many things normaly considered, evil, wroung and villinous. They are Grey Wardens, not White Wardens and they are charged with doing anything nessary in order to stop the Blight reguardless of method or consequences. The Rightous thing to do is never the thing that has to be done unfortunetly. Again this not directed at a single person here just everyone as a whole. Example in game Include Alistair, Mhairi and possibly Jory of this Illusioned View of the Wardens.
Anora reminds me of Hillary Clinton, Wife of President Clinton in the USA. The power behind the throne as it were.
On a side note Cailen seems just as bad as a unhardened Alistair to me, hes just a bit more comfortable being in charge.
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Loghain was actually the weakest part of Origins for me.
Initially, there is absolutely no explanation for his betrayal, so you are left to understand him to be a simple, evil, usurper.
Que the Landsmeet where we find out how he only cares about his country and whatever else he speals to justify his actions. Only after you recruit him, for the hour or so final battle, that you can hear in dialog with the rest of your party something about the character himself. It's just not enough time.
You should have unlocked the Landsmeet directly after curing Arl Eamon, being able to pick up Loghain for a decent portion of the game. Also, Alistair shouldn't **** out if you do, because characters around you need to grow as much as your own character does.
Initially, there is absolutely no explanation for his betrayal, so you are left to understand him to be a simple, evil, usurper.
Que the Landsmeet where we find out how he only cares about his country and whatever else he speals to justify his actions. Only after you recruit him, for the hour or so final battle, that you can hear in dialog with the rest of your party something about the character himself. It's just not enough time.
You should have unlocked the Landsmeet directly after curing Arl Eamon, being able to pick up Loghain for a decent portion of the game. Also, Alistair shouldn't **** out if you do, because characters around you need to grow as much as your own character does.
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Caladhiel wrote...
Weren't you just saying previously that great generals should trust their own judgement...?^^
Yeah. But Loghain is the general not my PC
Let Riordan do all the thinking and Aliester all the whining. My Warden? he is just looking for the next skull to smash
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Posté 26 août 2010 - 12:31
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Loghain was actually the weakest part of Origins for me.
Initially, there is absolutely no explanation for his betrayal, so you are left to understand him to be a simple, evil, usurper.
Que the Landsmeet where we find out how he only cares about his country and whatever else he speals to justify his actions. Only after you recruit him, for the hour or so final battle, that you can hear in dialog with the rest of your party something about the character himself. It's just not enough time.
You should have unlocked the Landsmeet directly after curing Arl Eamon, being able to pick up Loghain for a decent portion of the game. Also, Alistair shouldn't **** out if you do, because characters around you need to grow as much as your own character does.
This is a example of the games writers failing to let you in on the info at times. If you have read the novels you gain alot of insight and can kinda understand why hes doing it but it almost seems that at certain times during the game the writers assume you know all the info and backstorys.
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Posté 26 août 2010 - 10:37
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1) Maybe the PC just respects Riordan's recommendation because he has been a Warden for umm.. a few weeks?
the story up to that point took between 1 and 2 years, according to bioware. just sayin
i havent read the calling yet, so i can't say if he's any better in that. but he's not cool in the stolen throne. he makes ***** kill ******* for no real reason. he left a very important part out.. and for what? so his idea of justice would be served? because he thinks his version of justice is the only one that exists?
and then of course maric.. he was an idiot. he didn't know anyting about that chick, and even when she was like how can you love me when you don't know anything about me? and he's like "shhhh it doesn't matter all that matters is you're a pretty little elf and i want to bang you. but i'll be gentle, i know how the ladies cry when i'm gentle"
but i digress
loghain is sympathetic only in regard to his parents and his part in the war against orlais, which he still had sour feelings over. based on the communications and meetings between cailin and the empress of orlais, loghain had the new orlais all wrong and sacrificed cailin and all of the grey wardens because of past grudges--he couldn't think objectively. maybe he thought blaming it on the wardens who, to his knowledge, were all dead, was just a political move to not upset everyone. honorable? not in the least. but it is understandable. until he finds out there are 2 wardens that survived. in order to continue his charade he has to get rid of them before people figure out what he's up to. maybe he decided to enslave the elves because of katriel. carrying out your own grudges is not honorable, it's as selfish as it gets. again, he can't think objectively. loghain is not honorable. he is trapped in his own little world and thinks he knows everything.
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Posté 27 août 2010 - 05:56
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Umm, maybe it has been a year or two I dunno, I am just guessing. Timeline is rather vague in DA for me. Still, the PC is the newest of the 3 Wardens - just saying the PC could be convinced to heed the words of a senior Warden.i love lamp x3 wrote...
the story up to that point took between 1 and 2 years, according to bioware. just sayin
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loghain is not honorable. he is trapped in his own little world and thinks he knows everything.
Ok Loghain maybe silly and self-centered - he could be a complete moron, but that has nothing to do with honor
. Often... I think honor and stupidity are different branches of the same tree. After all, a very smart and cunning person maybe too calculative to be honorable. The Knight who challenge you in Denerim - honorable? Yes. Stupid? Beyond any doubt
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Posté 28 août 2010 - 02:01
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I think they did a good job with Loghain... win at any cost... he is idyllic warden material.
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Posté 29 août 2010 - 11:27
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Been warden means ability sacrifce your self for common good. I think Loghain can sacriface him self. How ever, he also would sacriface everyone else and betray anyone needed to do so. Meaning he killed all wardens just because he thinks he can do better job as leadning his own country. Someone who kills his fellow "friends" with same cause, just for own point of view should not be Warden. It's not what they have done past what matters, but what kind of nature someone has. He did not admid to be wrong until he was defeated. Meaning no possiblity to talk reason.
Loghain could be usefull as alive, maybe as leading some army, but that doesn't mean he should be warden. Was there any other choise than dead or warden? Because if there would been I would have taken that choise. So, Loghain just thinks that when plan doesn't seem to go way it's should be. He save's his own men and let everyone else to die. Even if his contribute could have win the battle or war. He risks civil war just to make sure his own people survey, because he is fraid of some history. he can sell other races to slavery to support his own causes.
That's not really man who should be Warden. Warden sacrifices him self, not everyone else, to get job done.
Loghain could be usefull as alive, maybe as leading some army, but that doesn't mean he should be warden. Was there any other choise than dead or warden? Because if there would been I would have taken that choise. So, Loghain just thinks that when plan doesn't seem to go way it's should be. He save's his own men and let everyone else to die. Even if his contribute could have win the battle or war. He risks civil war just to make sure his own people survey, because he is fraid of some history. he can sell other races to slavery to support his own causes.
That's not really man who should be Warden. Warden sacrifices him self, not everyone else, to get job done.
Modifié par Lumikki, 29 août 2010 - 11:50 .
