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[Enshaid]

Anarya wrote...
Except Cullen. *shiver*

 Cullen  watches you sleep *O___O*

[Anarya]

Freek on a Leesh wrote...

Anarya wrote...
Except Cullen. *shiver*

 Cullen  watches you sleep *O___O*

Dude is creepy.

[mellifera]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Well you know, Templars don't really seem all that scary, bless their hearts. Except Cullen. *shiver*

Ever pissed off Alistair? That's some scary **** right there.

Scary? I was too busy drooling to notice... oh god his angry voice...  

[DPSSOC]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I would say that option two for people who don't want to go to Tevinter is head to Lothering! The stupidest, most incompetant templars in the world live there! Until it's destroyed...but then you can escape, and there is a Blight, so who cares!

Lothering's templars aren't incompetant. They managed to lock up a surrendering man.

Which already puts them leagues ahead of the OPP.

[Ulicus]

I couldn't resist:


Not only are they man-eating tigers... they're AQUATIC man-eating tigers! ;)

Modifié par Ulicus, 23 août 2010 - 06:23 .

[Enshaid]

Aquatic mage-eating tigers ftw

[Dave of Canada]

yukidama wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Well you know, Templars don't really seem all that scary, bless their hearts. Except Cullen. *shiver*

Ever pissed off Alistair? That's some scary **** right there.

Scary? I was too busy drooling to notice... oh god his angry voice...  

Yes.

Scary.

Very scary.

[mellifera]

Dave of Canada wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Well you know, Templars don't really seem all that scary, bless their hearts. Except Cullen. *shiver*

Ever pissed off Alistair? That's some scary **** right there.

Scary? I was too busy drooling to notice... oh god his angry voice...  

Yes.

Scary.

Very scary.

You underestimate the power of Steve Valentine's voice on fangirl knickers. *sighs dreamily*

[Enshaid]

[jazzy B 3]

Lol @ the tigers. Some excellent, well thought out posts here! To be honest I wasn't expecting anyone to take the topic seriously but even posts from Sir Gaider.



I guess I was also prompted to ask by this map. Suggests that the Tevinter capital maybe a destination for DA2. If Hawke is the most important person of Dragon then it makes sense that he'd have wide-reaching consequences.



I wonder where Bioware can go after Hawke. To up the anti from the hero of the fifth blight (who mostly affects only Ferelden) is a guy who is the most important in a hundred years to the entirety of Thedas. If there's a Dragon Age 3, where do you expand? Probably there will be a different kind of story. Anyway, completely off (my own) topic.



On topic: I was not thinking of mages who have already been discovered by the chantry, but rather apostates (who are already not tied down to any particular place and are more mobile than most). Might they not see Tevinter as a potential haven, despite it's downsides, purely as a refuge from the chantry? Sure the resident Magisters probably wouldn't like them much but would they be aware of the negative reception they'd receive?



It's been shown that family's often disown children, but what about parents like Eamon's wife, Isolde? She was willing to do nearly anything to save her son from life in the circle. She also had money. The only thing holding her back as far as I could tell was that she didn't want Eamon to know. If a child had two such parents would it not be likely that at least one would accompany the child to Tevinter?



Maybe I haven't heard enough about Tevinter from DA:O. If it is so despised by the chantry no doubt there would be exaggerations and negative misinformation spread about it. But still... wouldn't some... maybe... perhaps...?

[Zhijn]

yukidama wrote...

You underestimate the power of Steve Valentine's voice on fangirl knickers. *sighs dreamily*

Good lord my thoughts went all over the place for a moment there.

[DrunkenMonkey]

what was this topic about again??

' Aquatic mage-eating tigers.....does that mean there are flying-templar-eating lions somwhere???



david comfirm!!!!

[David Gaider]

jazzy B 3 wrote...
On topic: I was not thinking of mages who have already been discovered by the chantry, but rather apostates (who are already not tied down to any particular place and are more mobile than most). Might they not see Tevinter as a potential haven, despite it's downsides, purely as a refuge from the chantry? Sure the resident Magisters probably wouldn't like them much but would they be aware of the negative reception they'd receive?

Ah, but there is a Circle of Magi in Tevinter. And that means that mages are no more free to not be a part of it than they are elsewhere in Thedas. Yes, you have significantly more power and freedom, but you exchange being controlled by the Chantry for being controlled by... other mages.

But I'm sure some might see it as a potential haven, even so. Provided they can make the long trip and evade the man-eating tigers they might even be right.

[Maverick827]

Having not read anything outside of playing Origins itself, it's difficult to grasp why the Chantry is even a problem for mages. Templars are universally incompetent in the game, from the first time you meet them (Alistair - sorry, ladies), to the very end (Templars are probably the worst army to call on).

It's easy to accept that "they just are," as in-game has never meant to perfectly reflect the actual lore of any game's world. I just find it funny that the Tempalrs even lost to the easily-fooled Knights of Redcliffe in capturing Jowan (The Cult of Andraste tricked what, ten of those guys into death?).

Modifié par Maverick827, 23 août 2010 - 08:03 .

[jazzy B 3]

I don't think we have really seen Templars in action against apostates. They are very effective anti-Mage fighters, with a good resistance to magic and the ability to drain a mage. I suspect that the best are able to go toe to toe with a Mage. They are also funded by the chantry, so, as armys go, they are very well equiped and are posesses of that most important trait, passion. Templars believe very strongly in what they do which means they can act without hesitation. Sure they wouldn't be a match for flemeth, but then not many people are.

[Ulicus]

The group of enchanted Templars under the thrall of that desire demon in the Circle Tower kicked the ever-living crap out of my Arcane Warrior. Their abilities could deactive his shimmering shield, you see. Either that or I switched it off accidentally. In any case, it was a sobering experience.



I'm really pleased that Kirkwall (apparantly) has a strong contingent of templars. I love them as a concept and the possibility that we're going to learn even more about them and their abilities makes me squee a little inside.

[Face of Evil]

Saibh wrote...

I would say that option two for people who don't want to go to Tevinter is head to Lothering! The stupidest, most incompetant templars in the world live there!

Why do you say that? Because they don't slay Morrigan on the spot?

They've kind of got a lot on their plate to worry about hunting apostates, what with having to keep order in a village full of starving, desperate people while organizing an evacuation.

Ulicus wrote...

The group of enchanted Templars under the thrall of that desire demon in the Circle Tower kicked the ever-living crap out of my Arcane Warrior. Their abilities could deactive his shimmering shield, you see. Either that or I switched it off accidentally. In any case, it was a sobering experience.

The templars in the Circle Tower are among the toughest opponents in the game.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 23 août 2010 - 09:09 .

[Ulicus]

Face of Evil wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I would say that option two for people who don't want to go to Tevinter is head to Lothering! The stupidest, most incompetant templars in the world live there!

Why do you say that?

Hawke, a potential apostate, and Bethany -- a definite apostate -- both come from Lothering, do they not?

(I don't know if that's been confirmed. They may just be refugees taking shelter at Lothering, in which case the criticism of Lothering's templars is mitigated somewhat. If it IS their hometown, though, the templars have been seriously, seriously slacking)

Modifié par Ulicus, 23 août 2010 - 09:10 .

[bloodtallow]

jazzy B 3 wrote...

On topic: I was not thinking of mages who have already been discovered by the chantry, but rather apostates (who are already not tied down to any particular place and are more mobile than most). Might they not see Tevinter as a potential haven, despite it's downsides, purely as a refuge from the chantry? Sure the resident Magisters probably wouldn't like them much but would they be aware of the negative reception they'd receive?

Keep in mind too that Tevinter does have a Chantry. It's just a Chantry with a different Divine - the Black Divine, who is actually a magister. So not only would a refugee mage have to contend with the Circle, they'd be thrust into a whole new arena of religious politics. Sounds like scary stuff, to me.

Props to this thread! Awesome "why not" question!

[Face of Evil]

Ulicus wrote...

Hawke, a potential apostate, and Bethany -- a definite apostate -- both come from Lothering, do they not?

That logic's a bit faulty, isn't it? Even the best police forces in the world still have crime in their communities.

[Heavenblade]

There are plenty of shady mages running about Ferelden unchecked, probably because they got some documents saying they have circle business. I bet Knight-Commander Harrith hands those out to any mage that hands him a few lyrium potions.

[Ulicus]

Face of Evil wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

Hawke, a potential apostate, and Bethany -- a definite apostate -- both come from Lothering, do they not?

That logic's a bit faulty, isn't it? Even the best police forces in the world still have crime in their communities.

The police can't sense criminals.

[Heavenblade]

Funny how people just completely ignore that whole Mage's Collective bit. You know... a bunch of mages that have shirked the circle and research magic and live in peace thanks to a deal they cut with a powerful and influential Knight-Commander.



Who says that Bethany isn't a member of this collective?

[Ulicus]

Heavenblade wrote...

Funny how people just completely ignore that whole Mage's Collective bit. You know... a bunch of mages that have shirked the circle and research magic and live in peace thanks to a deal they cut with a powerful and influential Knight-Commander.

Who says that Bethany isn't a member of this collective?

Good point. I wasn't ignoring it, I'd simply forgotten it. I suppose the Lothering Templars could have a guy who was hiding them in exchange for a steady stream of freshly brewed lyrium potions... though I would not expect the apostates of the Mages' Collective to live right under the Templar's noses if it could at all be helped.

Modifié par Ulicus, 23 août 2010 - 09:35 .

[jazzy B 3]

David Gaider wrote...

jazzy B 3 wrote...
On topic: I was not thinking of mages who have already been discovered by the chantry, but rather apostates (who are already not tied down to any particular place and are more mobile than most). Might they not see Tevinter as a potential haven, despite it's downsides, purely as a refuge from the chantry? Sure the resident Magisters probably wouldn't like them much but would they be aware of the negative reception they'd receive?

Ah, but there is a Circle of Magi in Tevinter. And that means that mages are no more free to not be a part of it than they are elsewhere in Thedas. Yes, you have significantly more power and freedom, but you exchange being controlled by the Chantry for being controlled by... other mages.

But I'm sure some might see it as a potential haven, even so. Provided they can make the long trip and evade the man-eating tigers they might even be right.

Ahh, I think I missed that bit.  So wherever you are you're circled up.  I wonder how much the Fraternities are modified by the differences between the Orlesian and the Imperial chantry.  For example, it suggests that rather than the Aequetarians being on top it'd be something along the lines of the Loyalists being in power as they gain from this version (maker given powers).

Edit:  I can imagine that the more peaceful mages who are dedicated to quiet research to betterment of their understanding, particularly in the areas of Healing and construction for example would find very welcome peace here.  They're not vying for position like the more power-hungry and agressive (read elemental) ones and as long as they can prove the work they're doing is useful they'd probably receive some great encouragement, funding, and no hate.  Maybe some quiet disdain from those seaking power, but that's better than hate, surely?

bloodtallow wrote...

Keep in mind too that Tevinter does
have a Chantry. It's just a Chantry with a different Divine - the Black
Divine, who is actually a magister. So not only would a refugee mage
have to contend with the Circle, they'd be thrust into a whole new arena
of religious politics. Sounds like scary stuff, to me.

Props to this thread! Awesome "why not" question! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Thanks   Just a random thought that came to me.  Usually random thoughts aren't well advised, but it has turned out rather well.  Sorry you got "ninjad" by David   Though you do make an interesting point about religious politics.  Maybe the greater integration between circle and chantry leads to some heated debates (fireball to the face:D).

Seriously, there could be some great complexities to discover there.

I love mages so much.  They always get the best lore.  Shame there are no dwarf mages.  They would be extra awesome.  Instead i have to go to the human males to get my beardy goodness.  Ah well.

Curse you Gaider for making dwarves non-magical

Speaking of beards, Garrett would make for a good mage...

Modifié par jazzy B 3, 23 août 2010 - 09:43 .