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[Brockololly]

David Gaider wrote...
Ah, but there is a Circle of Magi in Tevinter. And that means that mages are no more free to not be a part of it than they are elsewhere in Thedas. Yes, you have significantly more power and freedom, but you exchange being controlled by the Chantry for being controlled by... other mages.

So the Imperial Chantry in Tevinter still has a Circle of Magi, except instead of Templars controlling them its simply other mages? So there are no Templars in the Imperial Chantry?

[Ulicus]

Brockololly wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
Ah, but there is a Circle of Magi in Tevinter. And that means that mages are no more free to not be a part of it than they are elsewhere in Thedas. Yes, you have significantly more power and freedom, but you exchange being controlled by the Chantry for being controlled by... other mages.

So the Imperial Chantry in Tevinter still has a Circle of Magi, except instead of Templars controlling them its simply other mages? So there are no Templars in the Imperial Chantry?

If not, there's bound to be mana clash.

Though the idea of armor clad mages acting as "Black Templars" (ala the Black Divine) is pretty appealing, too. *Drools*

Or "Blackguards", maybe? 

Modifié par Ulicus, 23 août 2010 - 10:26 .

[bloodtallow]

jazzy B 3 wrote...

I love mages so much.  They always get the best lore.  Shame there are no dwarf mages.  They would be extra awesome.

Votes for dwarf mages in DA3 (I know they're totally non-canon, but Dagna is AWESOME!).

[bloodtallow]

Ulicus wrote...
If not, there's bound to be mana clash.

Though the idea of armor clad mages acting as "Black Templars" (ala the Black Divine) is pretty appealing, too. *Drools*

Or "Blackguards", maybe? 

Totally awesome. I didn't think mages could get cooler, but you just proved me wrong.

[saruman31]

Because they are chilling in Hogwarts?

[Leonia]

yukidama wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Well you know, Templars don't really seem all that scary, bless their hearts. Except Cullen. *shiver*

Ever pissed off Alistair? That's some scary **** right there.

Scary? I was too busy drooling to notice... oh god his angry voice...  

Yes.

Scary.

Very scary.

You underestimate the power of Steve Valentine's voice on fangirl knickers. *sighs dreamily*

I'm particularly fond of when you explain the details about the dark ritual to him and his voice cracks. Ah..

[Heavenblade]

I think David mentioned many moons ago (on the old forums maybe) that the imperial chantry had it's own Templars but they took their orders directly from the senior most mages and their duties were slightly different.

[Technicoloured Knight]

bloodtallow wrote...

jazzy B 3 wrote...

I love mages so much.  They always get the best lore.  Shame there are no dwarf mages.  They would be extra awesome.

Votes for dwarf mages in DA3 (I know they're totally non-canon, but Dagna is AWESOME!).

You know, I've always wondered how Sandal killed all those darkspawn in Fort Drakon, especially given the fact that he is unarmed. Maybe his excessive lyrium exposure has resulted in magical powers!


Regarding the issue of why mages don't go to Tevinter, there seem to be all sorts of reasons. For example, they might belong to a tradition of magic that lies outside of the Chantry, or they might be like that mage who thinks that she should be locked up because her magic is 'evil'. Personally, I agree with the tigers theory - maybe most of the mages do try to get to Tevinter, but are eaten by tigers along the way, so no one ever hears about them.

[Ulicus]

Technicoloured Knight wrote...

bloodtallow wrote...
Votes for dwarf mages in DA3 (I know they're totally non-canon, but Dagna is AWESOME!).

You know, I've always wondered how Sandal killed all those darkspawn in Fort Drakon, especially given the fact that he is unarmed. Maybe his excessive lyrium exposure has resulted in magical powers!

[Technicoloured Knight]

Ulicus wrote...

Technicoloured Knight wrote...

bloodtallow wrote...
Votes for dwarf mages in DA3 (I know they're totally non-canon, but Dagna is AWESOME!).

You know, I've always wondered how Sandal killed all those darkspawn in Fort Drakon, especially given the fact that he is unarmed. Maybe his excessive lyrium exposure has resulted in magical powers!

Ah... Now it all makes sense!

[Boradam]

Ulicus wrote...

Technicoloured Knight wrote...

bloodtallow wrote...
Votes for dwarf mages in DA3 (I know they're totally non-canon, but Dagna is AWESOME!).

You know, I've always wondered how Sandal killed all those darkspawn in Fort Drakon, especially given the fact that he is unarmed. Maybe his excessive lyrium exposure has resulted in magical powers!

you sir, Are ****ing awesome.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

This thread is now win approved.

[David Gaider]

Brockololly wrote...
So the Imperial Chantry in Tevinter still has a Circle of Magi, except instead of Templars controlling them its simply other mages? So there are no Templars in the Imperial Chantry?

There are indeed Imperial templars. Their primary role is to enforce magical law, and since they are part of the Chantry-- which is controlled by the Circle-- they are thus controlled by the mages. The majority of Imperial templars, however, lack the ability to counter magic. They are primarily soldiers.

[Heavenblade]

How do they enforce magical law without the ability to resist mind-controlling magic?

[Leonia]

Heavenblade wrote...

How do they enforce magical law without the ability to resist mind-controlling magic?

Very carefully.

Then again, maybe blood magic is frowned on and mind-control isn't a big concern.

[Technicoloured Knight]

Heavenblade wrote...

How do they enforce magical law without the ability to resist mind-controlling magic?

Their bosses are probably just much better at the mind controlling magic than the apostates. They claim that blood magic is banned, but maybe that's just another method of control, like addicting templars to lyrium? The magisters could effectively hunt down any potential threat to their power that may come from a rogue blood mage while using their own blood magic to maintain their rule over the Tevinter Imperium.

[Brockololly]

David Gaider wrote...

There are indeed Imperial templars. Their primary role is to enforce magical law, and since they are part of the Chantry-- which is controlled by the Circle-- they are thus controlled by the mages. The majority of Imperial templars, however, lack the ability to counter magic. They are primarily soldiers.

So wouldn't the Imperial Templars be rather punchless in enforcing magical law if most lack the ability to counter magic? Seems they'd be more of a symbolic force than anything in that case. Would the Imperial Templars still act as safeguards against demonic posession and all that in the Circle or are the entire rules governing the Imperial Circle's use of magic much different and more lax than the mage Circles under control of the Andrastean Chantry?

[Sir JK]

I'd say that the most logical reason is that Templar training just gives you an advantage against mages, apostates and abominations. An advantage that both can be used, wasted, bypassed or irrelevant. That you don't really need templar training or the lyrium enhancement to be able to effectively fight and kill mages, just that it helps a bit. Makes it a bit easier.



It's not like mages will fare much better than a templar, or anyone else, if a sword, arrow, spear or bolt bypass their defences. All it takes is a moment of bad luck and it's all over.



And if they for some reason cannot overwhelm a renegade mage, they can still take him/her by surprise.

[MCPOWill]

I just thought of something, sense Blood Magic is legal in Tevinter... and the magisters run the chantry and are most likely well versed in blood magic as well as magicks that are unknown to most other regions of the world wouldn't that mean that the Tevinter magisters are possibly some of the most powerful persons in Thedas? Which would make sense as to why the Qunari haven't invaded Minrathous. There could even some who are like Flemeth maybe... even magister lords who are more powerful then her. Tevinter now sounds like a really unfriendly place kinda like the Dragonbone Towers area in Awakening plus now there are man-eating tigers



Joking aside I think another reason people don't flee to Tevinter is because of the endless war with the Qunari plus the port in Minrathous doesn't sound appealing. How I vision Minrathous is Istanbul when is was known as Constantinople except dark and desolate with many Babel Towers that inhabited by these magisters and in the center is a mountain-like tower (which is made of many towers as well with flames) where the Magister lord of Tevinter resides... but thats just me filling the void of where the official descriptions of Minrathous didn't say as well as exaggerating it. Still Minrathous seems like a scary place... why can't we go anywhere nice Bioware?

[Arrtis]

David Gaider wrote...

jazzy B 3 wrote...
On topic: I was not thinking of mages who have already been discovered by the chantry, but rather apostates (who are already not tied down to any particular place and are more mobile than most). Might they not see Tevinter as a potential haven, despite it's downsides, purely as a refuge from the chantry? Sure the resident Magisters probably wouldn't like them much but would they be aware of the negative reception they'd receive?

Ah, but there is a Circle of Magi in Tevinter. And that means that mages are no more free to not be a part of it than they are elsewhere in Thedas. Yes, you have significantly more power and freedom, but you exchange being controlled by the Chantry for being controlled by... other mages.

But I'm sure some might see it as a potential haven, even so. Provided they can make the long trip and evade the man-eating tigers they might even be right.

Isnt that what msot amges wanted?
TO be governed by magi/themselves?

[Sir JK]

Arrtis wrote...
Isnt that what most mages wanted?
TO be governed by magi/themselves?

No, it's a simplified version of the Libertarians request demand (and to some degree the Isolationists), the Loyalists and Aequitarians seem considerably less interested in that (and the Lucrosians doesn't really seem to care).

But it is very unlikely that the Libertarians would be particularly interested in exchanging (in their view) powerhungry and scheming priestesses with powerhungry and scheming mages as the head of the local chantry. They're used as pawns enough already, the Tevinter circle would just be even worse in that regard.

What the Libertarians really want is to rule themselves, with no real control at all from anyone. Each circle being completely autonomous from any form of authority. Right now they're focusing on the chantry, it being the most obvious authority. The fraternity house many very vocal radicals however, and I supsect the greatly exaggerate the chantry opression.

[Ulicus]

MCPOWill wrote...

I just thought of something, sense Blood Magic is legal in Tevinter... and the magisters run the chantry and are most likely well versed in blood magic as well as magicks that are unknown to most other regions of the world wouldn't that mean that the Tevinter magisters are possibly some of the most powerful persons in Thedas?

I'm reasonably sure that blood magic isn't legal in Tevinter. It's just that it's thought that the magisters do it on the down low, anyway. It's kind of like a country that says it has no intentions of developing nuclear weapons, but the international community is like "yeah, right!".

[Homebound]

David Gaider wrote...

jazzy B 3 wrote...
On topic: I was not thinking of mages who have already been discovered by the chantry, but rather apostates (who are already not tied down to any particular place and are more mobile than most). Might they not see Tevinter as a potential haven, despite it's downsides, purely as a refuge from the chantry? Sure the resident Magisters probably wouldn't like them much but would they be aware of the negative reception they'd receive?

Ah, but there is a Circle of Magi in Tevinter. And that means that mages are no more free to not be a part of it than they are elsewhere in Thedas. Yes, you have significantly more power and freedom, but you exchange being controlled by the Chantry for being controlled by... other mages.

But I'm sure some might see it as a potential haven, even so. Provided they can make the long trip and evade the man-eating tigers they might even be right.

Mages can shoot fireballs out of their hands. Are you saying that there are Fire-proof, mage-eating Tigers in Tevinter?

[tmp7704]

Just_mike wrote...

Mages can shoot fireballs out of their hands. Are you saying that there are Fire-proof, mage-eating Tigers in Tevinter?

They are aquatic man-eating tigers which yes, makes the fireballs rather ineffective against them. There's picture on page 2 of this thread.

[Ulicus]

Just_mike wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Ah, but there is a Circle of Magi in Tevinter. And that means that mages are no more free to not be a part of it than they are elsewhere in Thedas. Yes, you have significantly more power and freedom, but you exchange being controlled by the Chantry for being controlled by... other mages.

But I'm sure some might see it as a potential haven, even so. Provided they can make the long trip and evade the man-eating tigers they might even be right.

Mages can shoot fireballs out of their hands. Are you saying that there are Fire-proof, mage-eating Tigers in Tevinter?

Why do you think they evolved to be aquatic?

EDIT: Ninja'ed!

Modifié par Ulicus, 25 août 2010 - 04:00 .