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[TMA LIVE]

LordMarrick wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I hated ME1's gameplay. You had a lot of useless, unneeded options, as well as overpowered abilities. You could use any weapon, but you were a drunk unless you specialized in them, and leveled up (so why have them?). You could spam Immunity, and become invincible. You can use Lift, and enemies were screwed. You didn't need cover. And as the Alliance's number one soldier, you made a living selling garbage from the dead.

but still ME1 was the harder game i did both on insanity and found ME2 insanity like vetaran on ME1 and ME1 was soo much harder

I have the achievement. It wasn't that hard, unless you didn't start with immunity, because your enemies spam immunity.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 31 août 2010 - 10:01 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Funker Shepard wrote...
How exactly did you 'adapt your weapon' in ME1? 

I mean, I actually do that in ME2, pick between the Locust and Tempest depending on the mission, sometimes use the Mattock instead of the Vindicator... but in ME1?! All weapons in a class were the same (barring the geth rifle, but...), some were just better than others. I called 'nostalgia' before, now I'm calling 'we have not been playing the same game'

I'll give it to you that there was indeed a choice between good armor and armor that gave you environmental resistance. Of course, only one member in the team had to have access to the latter...

Erm, did you not notice that ME1 had weapon and armor mods? If I was fighting geth I'd put in tungsten rounds. If I was fighting organics I'd put in shredder. If I wanted fire DPS I would put in inferno. If I wanted to bypass some of my enemies' shields in exchange for doing slightly less damage I had that option.  I could put in frictionless materials to lessen heat build up or I could put in heavy explosive rounds to make my sniper rifle a mini MAKO cannon. If I wanted to freeze enemies in their tracks I could put in snowblind rounds.

I had options. In ME2 all it is is, "lolz, do I want my pistol to shoot one bullet at a time or three?"

[Funker Shepard]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Erm, did you not notice that ME1 had weapon and armor mods? If I was fighting geth I'd put in tungsten rounds. If I was fighting organics I'd put in shredder. If I wanted fire DPS I would put in inferno. If I wanted to bypass some of my enemies' shields in exchange for doing slightly less damage I had that option.  I could put in frictionless materials to lessen heat build up or I could put in heavy explosive rounds to make my sniper rifle a mini MAKO cannon. If I wanted to freeze enemies in their tracks I could put in snowblind rounds.

I'll be honest with you, I was completely ignoring the mods for some reason

Bio made the decision to move the ammos to powers, so it's still there, just in a different form. Don't think I used others apart from tungsten/shredder after my first playthrough, though.

Moving around other mods never seemed that necessary to me, as I always thought that there was a clearly superior combo to all other ones.

Ok, I'll agree, the weapon mods were and are something that I miss. I probably should point out that I don't think that the ME2 system is amazing, I just think that the basic ME1 gear system was fundamentally flawed and had to change. I hope that some sort of middle ground can be found for three.

Again, the armor mods not so much. The ME2 armor basically has the medical exoskeleton rolled in as is, and the other slot was just basically for some random buff you can get through armor pieces in ME2, anyway.... :/

Modifié par Funker Shepard, 31 août 2010 - 10:00 .

[TMA LIVE]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I hated ME1's gameplay. You had a lot of useless, unneeded options, as well as overpowered abilities. You could use any weapon, but you were a drunk unless you specialized in them, and leveled up (so why have them?). You could spam Immunity, and become invincible. You can use Lift, and enemies were screwed. You didn't need cover. And as the Alliance's number one soldier, you made a living selling garbage from the dead.

You still make credits selling garbage in ME2. Every time you click a "scrap pile" or something that makes an invisible transaction. Cerberus is paying you for this garbage as opposed to selling it yourself to a vendor.

And at least ME1 had variety. I could adapt my weapon and armor to suit the occasion, I could explore, I could manage my own equipment, I could explore most of the places I'd already been to at my leisure etc.

ME2 seems to think everyone who plays it is lazy and/or an idiot. Oh, the mission's over, better have a giant pop-up every three seconds to tell them to press B to warp to the Normandy. Better remove the inventory altogether and have magic Resident Evil item boxes for all three weapon types we included. Better have a giant, obtrusive mission complete screen to tell the idiots how much iridium they scored five minutes ago.

ME1 encouraged you to stop and stay a while and think. ME2 is just a spastic shooter warping you to and from combat levels.

You're not grabbing garbage. You found one gun, and made copies. You found a research upgrade from some tech thing. And you robbed houses. At least you weren't taking 12 useless shotguns from a cabinet. Heck, you didn't even need to use the stores if I remember correctly, so money was useless, except for spectre equipment.

When it comes to exploring and weapon storage, I agree. Except exploring planets was just a copy and paste mission structure. Land on a rocky terrain planet, drive to a warehouse or bunker, kill everyone inside, and that's it.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

TMA LIVE wrote...
You're not grabbing garbage. You found one gun, and made copies. You found a research upgrade from some tech thing. And you robbed houses. At least you weren't taking 12 useless shotguns from a cabinet. Heck, you didn't even need to use the stores if I remember correctly, so money was useless, except for spectre equipment.

When it comes to exploring and weapon storage, I agree. Except exploring planets was just a copy and paste mission structure. Land on a rocky terrain planet, drive to a warehouse or bunker, kill everyone inside, and that's it.

In ME2 there are many cases where you are grabbing garbage. Sometimes you find a research upgrade, sometimes you find a weapon, sometimes you get credits for hacking a bank terminal or bypassing a safe.

Other times you see a pile of crates or scrap metal in the middle of the field and you sell it to Cerberus for credits on the spot. Shepard is still a garbage scrounger in ME2, she's just not a pack mule anymore because BioWare "streamlined" the system.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 31 août 2010 - 10:06 .

[JamieCOTC]

I just hope the Hammerhead isn't in this.



Liara: I see yo have new transportation. Looks nice and it has to be better than the Mako.

Shepard: Well, it's fast, but -- Liara! don't lean up against it or it'll --

BOOM!!

Critical Mission Failure.

[Annihilator27]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I just hope the Hammerhead isn't in this.

Liara: I see yo have new transportation. Looks nice and it has to be better than the Mako.
Shepard: Well, it's fast, but -- Liara! don't lean up against it or it'll --
BOOM!!
Critical Mission Failure.

LMAO, Collapse like a stack of cards.

[Kreid]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Other times you see a pile of crates or scrap metal in the middle of the field and you sell it to Cerberus for credits on the spot. Shepard is still a garbage scrounger in ME2, she's just not a pack mule anymore because BioWare "streamlined" the system.

And it still makes more sense than getting 4 or 5 weapons along with 10 armor and weapons mods from every random enemy and then selling it.

Modifié par Creid-X, 31 août 2010 - 10:11 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Creid-X wrote...
And it still makes more sense than getting 4 or 5 weapons along with 10 armor and weapons mods from every random enemy and then selling it.

The only part that doesn't make sense is that you end up carrying it all at once. And ME2 invented their own means of impossible weapon access by making magic weapon boxes.

So, really, being "realistic" is not present in either game. That said, I prefer to have options as opposed to being on rails.

[TMA LIVE]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Creid-X wrote...
And it still makes more sense than getting 4 or 5 weapons along with 10 armor and weapons mods from every random enemy and then selling it.

The only part that doesn't make sense is that you end up carrying it all at once. And ME2 invented their own means of impossible weapon access by making magic weapon boxes.

So, really, being "realistic" is not present in either game. That said, I prefer to have options as opposed to being on rails.

Yeah, but I can argue that you didn't need the weapon boxes either. I hardly used them, except to change my weapon back to the old one after finding a new one. I'd say they're another thing to throw out the window.

[Kreid]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Creid-X wrote...
And it still makes more sense than getting 4 or 5 weapons along with 10 armor and weapons mods from every random enemy and then selling it.

The only part that doesn't make sense is that you end up carrying it all at once. And ME2 invented their own means of impossible weapon access by making magic weapon boxes.

So, really, being "realistic" is not present in either game. That said, I prefer to have options as opposed to being on rails.

I really don't think that going back to the 1.000 generic weapons with mods system of ME1 would cut it at all though, and it makes more sense to find some unique piece of tech and sell it to Cerberus than carrying 100 weapons and mods at once IMO.
That said, I hope Bioware brings the mods back into ME3, and hybrid system would be nice, having unique weaponry but being able to customize it with mods would be really neat., although not being able to switch between ammo types in-the-fly would upset some people for sure.

[Yakko77]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I just hope the Hammerhead isn't in this.

Liara: I see yo have new transportation. Looks nice and it has to be better than the Mako.
Shepard: Well, it's fast, but -- Liara! don't lean up against it or it'll --
BOOM!!
Critical Mission Failure.

That made me laugh!  Well played!

[TMA LIVE]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Funker Shepard wrote...
How exactly did you 'adapt your weapon' in ME1? 

I mean, I actually do that in ME2, pick between the Locust and Tempest depending on the mission, sometimes use the Mattock instead of the Vindicator... but in ME1?! All weapons in a class were the same (barring the geth rifle, but...), some were just better than others. I called 'nostalgia' before, now I'm calling 'we have not been playing the same game'

I'll give it to you that there was indeed a choice between good armor and armor that gave you environmental resistance. Of course, only one member in the team had to have access to the latter...

Erm, did you not notice that ME1 had weapon and armor mods? If I was fighting geth I'd put in tungsten rounds. If I was fighting organics I'd put in shredder. If I wanted fire DPS I would put in inferno. If I wanted to bypass some of my enemies' shields in exchange for doing slightly less damage I had that option.  I could put in frictionless materials to lessen heat build up or I could put in heavy explosive rounds to make my sniper rifle a mini MAKO cannon. If I wanted to freeze enemies in their tracks I could put in snowblind rounds.

I had options. In ME2 all it is is, "lolz, do I want my pistol to shoot one bullet at a time or three?"

You still have ammo powers. And guys like me, we don't want useless options. We want options that matter based on skill. Do I pick the Geth Shotgun which has range and charge, or do I pick the Claymore for it's one hit kill if I'm up close? Or do I pick the Eviscerator, which has more range then the Claymore, but is more powerful then the Geth Shotgun (if not charged)? Or do I use the Scimitar, because I prefer faster firepower?

Look, think about it like this. You might be the type that likes to rebuild your computer from scratch, only to rebuild it again 3 years later. Guys like me? "Just give me something that'll last me 5 years. Or hell, just give me a good laptop, and I'll buy a PS3 to go with it."

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 31 août 2010 - 10:40 .

[Stormy-B]

Creid-X wrote...

I really don't think that going back to the 1.000 generic weapons with mods system of ME1 would cut it at all though, and it makes more sense to find some unique piece of tech and sell it to Cerberus than carrying 100 weapons and mods at once IMO.
That said, I hope Bioware brings the mods back into ME3, and hybrid system would be nice, having unique weaponry but being able to customize it with mods would be really neat., although not being able to switch between ammo types in-the-fly would upset some people for sure.

True, a middle ground needs to be found.
And about ammo mods, how about this: If you install a mod that gives you a single ammo type, that is a more potent version of the ammo type. Using mods that lets you switch between ammo types only gives you access to weaker versions, but they will give you the option for what to use to take down different defences.
For example, when I'm playing characters that don't have AR's I like to use HP's for armor takedown. Therefor I would equip that with a single ammomod with armor piercing or incendiary. For AR's though that are more allround weapons I'd rather use a dual or triple ammomod with disruptor, incendiary/AP and cryo if possible. Giving me the option of choosing the right ammo for the current situation.

Straying quite a bit off topic, but what the hell. What ME3 will/should have is interesting stuff.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

TMA LIVE wrote...
You still have ammo powers.

Only if I'm a soldier, really, and even then I can't have tungsten and shredder unless Garrus and Thane are my squadmates AND i upgraded that skill of theirs to 4th level AND chose the group effect.

It's insanely limited, to the point where it may as well not exist. In most cases you can get one ammo power, maybe two. That's not the same.

As for you liking the differences in the ME2 weapons, yeah, so do I. Still prefer ME1 because I had more options. I could just as easily argue that the ME2 weapons are all useless options because the game can be completed quite easily with any of them.

[TMA LIVE]

Anyways, so it seems we're getting a trailer today. I guess either at Pax, or on release. I think they just want to do that, so when people become more aware of the DLC, it's already out to download. That way, you don't advertise something that's becomes forgotten. Especially when it's download only.

[TMA LIVE]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
You still have ammo powers.

Only if I'm a soldier, really, and even then I can't have tungsten and shredder unless Garrus and Thane are my squadmates AND i upgraded that skill of theirs to 4th level AND chose the group effect.

It's insanely limited, to the point where it may as well not exist. In most cases you can get one ammo power, maybe two. That's not the same.

As for you liking the differences in the ME2 weapons, yeah, so do I. Still prefer ME1 because I had more options. I could just as easily argue that the ME2 weapons are all useless options because the game can be completed quite easily with any of them.

Again, that makes Squad mates more important. In ME1, you can bring anyone, because it didn't matter. In ME2, you're beinging Jacob for Pull and Inferno Squad Ammo. You're bringing Zaeed for Disruptive ammo. You're bringing Garrus for Overload. You're bring Miranda for Warp and Overload, etc. Why, because they matter for the mission.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 31 août 2010 - 10:51 .

[Stormy-B]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
You still have ammo powers.

Only if I'm a soldier, really, and even then I can't have tungsten and shredder unless Garrus and Thane are my squadmates AND i upgraded that skill of theirs to 4th level AND chose the group effect.

It's insanely limited, to the point where it may as well not exist. In most cases you can get one ammo power, maybe two. That's not the same.

This.
I don't like feeling limited in this way.

[Epic777]

JaegerBane wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I hated ME1's gameplay. You had a lot of useless, unneeded options, as well as overpowered abilities.

I've never understood the reasoning why people get so hung up over 'overpowered' abilities in a single player game. If you thought they were too much, just don't use them.

Morrowind

Modifié par Epic777, 31 août 2010 - 10:55 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

TMA LIVE wrote...
Again, that makes Squad mates more important. In ME1, you can bring anyone, because it didn't matter. In ME2, you're beinging Jacob for Pull and Inferno Squad Ammo. You're bringing Zaeed for Disruptive ammo. You're bringing Garrus for Overload. You're bring Miranda for Warp and Overload, etc. Why, because they matter for the mission.

Not really. It just makes the game limited. Any mission can be completed with any layout of squad and weaponry.

We're not talking necessity here; we're talking finding comfort in your play style. I have never started a mission and said, "Wow, I need XXXX for this." It's always been, "Oh, XXXX would be useful, but I guess I'll get by without it because I'm not going to start the mission over now."

[Annihilator27]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Anyways, so it seems we're getting a trailer today. I guess either at Pax, or on release. I think they just want to do that, so when people become more aware of the DLC, it's already out to download. That way, you don't advertise something that's becomes forgotten. Especially when it's download only.

We'll see. Would be awesome.

[TMA LIVE]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I could just as easily argue that the ME2 weapons are all useless options because the game can be completed quite easily with any of them.

How can I argue with that? You beat the game with one weapon because you're good at it. You are skill with that weapon. And you picked that weapon, or change weapons, or don't use weapons at all, based on skill and choice.

[TMA LIVE]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Again, that makes Squad mates more important. In ME1, you can bring anyone, because it didn't matter. In ME2, you're beinging Jacob for Pull and Inferno Squad Ammo. You're bringing Zaeed for Disruptive ammo. You're bringing Garrus for Overload. You're bring Miranda for Warp and Overload, etc. Why, because they matter for the mission.

Not really. It just makes the game limited. Any mission can be completed with any layout of squad and weaponry.

We're not talking necessity here; we're talking finding comfort in your play style. I have never started a mission and said, "Wow, I need XXXX for this." It's always been, "Oh, XXXX would be useful, but I guess I'll get by without it because I'm not going to start the mission over now."

Give me names on Insanity? Also I can argue that doing so involves knowing how to use your team members.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 31 août 2010 - 11:02 .

[TMA LIVE]

annihilator27 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Anyways, so it seems we're getting a trailer today. I guess either at Pax, or on release. I think they just want to do that, so when people become more aware of the DLC, it's already out to download. That way, you don't advertise something that's becomes forgotten. Especially when it's download only.

We'll see. Would be awesome.

I just hope we learn more before release. At least about the new adept stuff.