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[Xrissie]

It's about time. Thanks, Bioware.

[uzivatel]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

uzivatel wrote...

It could/should have been in the main game, its overpriced, PS3 is getting it for free.

Why do people keep saying this?  If they charge $60 for the PS3 version when the 360/PC version will be down to $25-30, then they most certainly are NOT getting it for free.

Even then they are getting more Mass Effect for their money ... not to mention most of us kind of already have the game and many of us paid more than 25-30..

Modifié par uzivatel, 23 août 2010 - 07:21 .

[ArcanistLibram]

Obviously, Bioware should have waited to release Mass Effect 2 three weeks before Mass Effect 3 was set to be released so they could include all the planned DLC in the game instead of making it and selling it after the game was released.

[PHub88]

Its actually 200ms and 20 hours of content...they are just doing this to see how ungratefull we are...and pull it...and up it to 1000ms for 1 hour of Barney videos...chill out or we will lose out.

[Forst1999]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
They told us we could continue the romance in ME2, which cleary we could not <_<

You raise a good point. Agreed.

Quote from an IGN interview with Casey Hudson:
"Because we wanted to make sure the love interest can remain an important and integral part of the story, we want that to continue into the third game. We have some really important things we want to resolve there. That means we can't have these characters that were your love interests in this suicide mission potentially getting killed and then blocking off that opportunity. They're part of the story. They're part of the ongoing love story but they're not your squad members so that we can be sure that we can bring that love story to its conclusion." (http://uk.xbox360.ig.../1055366p2.html)
After this i did not assume that the ME 1 LIs would have big roles. The way they integrated them was deliberatly unsatisfing, but not for marketing reasons but for the storytelling. And to trick you into a new LI.

[JJ Long]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

McBeath wrote...
They
did let you continue them, in a way that would allow Liara to be around
for the conclusion on this story arc and ME3... she's likely very
important(if not the most important) plot character we've met so far. 
They did what they have to do.

Everything they do as a business
is to exploit a customer in some fashion... Companies make clothing,
phones, cars and all sorts of other things to turn a profit.  They don't
do it for free, and don't do a crappy job of it if they want to make
money.  They(Bioware) listened to what fans wanted, and delivered it. 

The
notion that they should have done it in the first place, or for free,
is terrably irresponsible considering we don't know why they did it...
other than your mad ramblings.

They did not let us continue the romance in any way. In fact, with Kaidan and Ashley they effectively ended
the relationship with a small hint that it might have a future. The
fact that Liara is still alive for ME3 is not a continuation of the
romance; it's a postponement.

What's irresponsible is releasing
an unfinished product early to make more money, and then expecting the
customers to pay even more to fix the game. Again I'll point to The
Witcher's enhanced edition, which was free for everyone who already had
The Witcher. I hate that game, but I can respect that business practice
because it shows integrity and at least some desire not to screw over
and exploit your fans.

If you disagree with my points then I'd be
happy to hear out why you think they aren't exploiting us, why you
think they didn't withhold this from the main game, or why you think
Liara's romantic content in ME2 was so bad if they didn't plan from the
start to "fix it" in DLC.

The DLC has not been released. You don't know the length or size of it yet. You know nothing about the dev cycle and where this fit into it or what the plans were surrounding it.

You just make assumptions simply because you are upset because it is not free and because you felt the reunion with Liara did not fit with your ideals of what it should have been like.

Your anger is based on assumptions and has no ground to stand on at the moment.

Modifié par JJ Long, 23 août 2010 - 07:23 .

[casedawgz]

I'm actually kinda glad its 800 in a way. I would have to spend 10$ anyway because of the stupid incremental point value pricing, so at least this way i'm not left with a bunch of extra points I have no use for.

[ifander]

To be fair, those complaining about the Liara romance requiring DLC have a point. The problem is not BioWare charging for DLC, the problem is that the Liara romance costs extra. In my mind content like this should be included in the game, or made available through Cerberus Network. It's a difficult definition, but look at it this way: when you were playing ME1 and chose to romance Kaidan, Ashley or Liara, were you expecting to have to pay extra to be able to continue that romance in ME2? I sure as hell weren't, and neither was anyone else I imagine.


I don't mind paying for DLC, I've bought all but the Appearance Pack and the Equlizer Pack. BioWare should be paid for their work, no doubt about it, but when things which should be included in the game aren't, and are later made available for a premium then something's wrong. I'm not saying Kasumi or Overlord fall under that category, but the Kaidan/Ashley/Liara romances do.

[Kroesis-]

I do like Liara's armour in the screen shots. While I'm not a huge Liara fan, or even a LI fan in general, it would be amiss if they did not create the same opportunity for Kaiden/Ash LI's unless the extent of the Liara relationship continuance in the Lair is pretty much the same as Kaiden/Ash's continuance on Horizon.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Kroesis- wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
They told us we could continue the romance in ME2, which cleary we could not <_<

You raise a good point. Agreed.

Did they say those exact words, or is that what people interpreted them to be? From what I recall it was said that the LI's from ME1 continues through ME2 and into ME3 with consequences if there was any cheating.

You can twist it as much as you like. I sure didn't see anything that closely resembles a romance. The Ashley/Kaidan fans did get an e-mail. How romatic. I wonder if they get a DLC like this to make up for that booboo. I think that chances are slim.

[Comrade Bork]

While this is great news, I do hope that a similar DLC will be released for us who didn't romance that squid-head.

[uzivatel]

serjwolf wrote...

I feel sick to my stomach, i knew this day was coming

WHY DID I SLEEP WITH MIRANDA! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will she ever forgive me? 

Hope she wont mind Kelly feeding my fish. 

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

You can twist it as much as you like. I sure didn't see anything that closely resembles a romance. The Ashley/Kaidan fans did get an e-mail. How romatic. I wonder if they get a DLC like this to make up for that booboo. I think that chances are slim.

I kind of expect Ashley/Kaidan DLC for only 800MP to arrive sometime between September 7th and January 2011. 

Modifié par uzivatel, 23 août 2010 - 07:30 .

[Crey12]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

McBeath wrote...
They did let you continue them, in a way that would allow Liara to be around for the conclusion on this story arc and ME3... she's likely very important(if not the most important) plot character we've met so far.  They did what they have to do.

Everything they do as a business is to exploit a customer in some fashion... Companies make clothing, phones, cars and all sorts of other things to turn a profit.  They don't do it for free, and don't do a crappy job of it if they want to make money.  They(Bioware) listened to what fans wanted, and delivered it. 

The notion that they should have done it in the first place, or for free, is terrably irresponsible considering we don't know why they did it... other than your mad ramblings.

They did not let us continue the romance in any way. In fact, with Kaidan and Ashley they effectively ended the relationship with a small hint that it might have a future. The fact that Liara is still alive for ME3 is not a continuation of the romance; it's a postponement.

What's irresponsible is releasing an unfinished product early to make more money, and then expecting the customers to pay even more to fix the game. Again I'll point to The Witcher's enhanced edition, which was free for everyone who already had The Witcher. I hate that game, but I can respect that business practice because it shows integrity and at least some desire not to screw over and exploit your fans.

If you disagree with my points then I'd be happy to hear out why you think they aren't exploiting us, why you think they didn't withhold this from the main game, or why you think Liara's romantic content in ME2 was so bad if they didn't plan from the start to "fix it" in DLC.

So your saying you would have bioware postpone the game half a year to include dlc?
Me 2 was a full game when they released it. What we're getting now is BONUS content which is not needed for the game to be complete.

[JJ Long]

ifander wrote...

To be fair, those complaining about the Liara romance requiring DLC have a point. The problem is not BioWare charging for DLC, the problem is that the Liara romance costs extra. In my mind content like this should be included in the game, or made available through Cerberus Network. It's a difficult definition, but look at it this way: when you were playing ME1 and chose to romance Kaidan, Ashley or Liara, were you expecting to have to pay extra to be able to continue that romance in ME2? I sure as hell weren't, and neither was anyone else I imagine.


I don't mind paying for DLC, I've bought all but the Appearance Pack and the Equlizer Pack. BioWare should be paid for their work, no doubt about it, but when things which should be included in the game aren't, and are later made available for a premium then something's wrong. I'm not saying Kasumi or Overlord fall under that category, but the Kaidan/Ashley/Liara romances do.

Again, you have no idea what continuing your relationship with Liara will entail in this DLC.  It may not even be full on romantic continuation like you are assuming.
Continuing relationship could mean just simply spending time with her during the missions and interacting with her.

[obie191970]

Comrade Bork wrote...

While this is great news, I do hope that a similar DLC will be released for us who didn't romance that squid-head.

You are a Xenophobic biatch!

[Kroesis-]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Kroesis- wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
They told us we could continue the romance in ME2, which cleary we could not <_<

You raise a good point. Agreed.

Did they say those exact words, or is that what people interpreted them to be? From what I recall it was said that the LI's from ME1 continues through ME2 and into ME3 with consequences if there was any cheating.

You can twist it as much as you like. I sure didn't see anything that closely resembles a romance. The Ashley/Kaidan fans did get an e-mail. How romatic. I wonder if they get a DLC like this to make up for that booboo. I think that chances are slim.

I didn't 'twist' anything. Unless there is a direct quote stating that the ME1 LI will be explored further in ME2, it's people interpretations that were obviously in error.

[Lord_Valandil]

uzivatel wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

uzivatel wrote...

It could/should have been in the main game, its overpriced, PS3 is getting it for free.

Why do people keep saying this?  If they charge $60 for the PS3 version when the 360/PC version will be down to $25-30, then they most certainly are NOT getting it for free.

Even then they are getting more Mass Effect for their money ... not to mention most of us kind of already have the game and many of us paid more than 25-30..

This. I paid 70 dollars por my ME2.
So, the argument of "They will charge $60 for the PS3 version so it's not free" is quite dumb actually. It will be an old game for us, not for them. For the PS3 it will be brand new.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 23 août 2010 - 07:31 .

[obie191970]

JJ Long wrote...

ifander wrote...

To be fair, those complaining about the Liara romance requiring DLC have a point. The problem is not BioWare charging for DLC, the problem is that the Liara romance costs extra. In my mind content like this should be included in the game, or made available through Cerberus Network. It's a difficult definition, but look at it this way: when you were playing ME1 and chose to romance Kaidan, Ashley or Liara, were you expecting to have to pay extra to be able to continue that romance in ME2? I sure as hell weren't, and neither was anyone else I imagine.


I don't mind paying for DLC, I've bought all but the Appearance Pack and the Equlizer Pack. BioWare should be paid for their work, no doubt about it, but when things which should be included in the game aren't, and are later made available for a premium then something's wrong. I'm not saying Kasumi or Overlord fall under that category, but the Kaidan/Ashley/Liara romances do.

Again, you have no idea what continuing your relationship with Liara will entail in this DLC.  It may not even be full on romantic continuation like you are assuming.
Continuing relationship could mean just simply spending time with her during the missions and interacting with her.

I have a feeling you are correct JJ.  I don't think it will be a full blown encounter like ME1. 

[Kroesis-]

My Femsheps relationship with Kaiden continued through ME2. True there was only one meeting which simply allowed me to continue it or abandon it, but it still gives the player the opportunity to continue it.

[AngryFrozenWater]

GamerFSS86 wrote...

Forst1999 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
They told us we could continue the romance in ME2, which cleary we could not <_<

You raise a good point. Agreed.

Quote from an IGN interview with Casey Hudson:
"Because we wanted to make sure the love interest can remain an important and integral part of the story, we want that to continue into the third game. We have some really important things we want to resolve there. That means we can't have these characters that were your love interests in this suicide mission potentially getting killed and then blocking off that opportunity. They're part of the story. They're part of the ongoing love story but they're not your squad members so that we can be sure that we can bring that love story to its conclusion." (http://uk.xbox360.ig.../1055366p2.html)
After this i did not assume that the ME 1 LIs would have big roles. The way they integrated them was deliberatly unsatisfing, but not for marketing reasons but for the storytelling. And to trick you into a new LI.

I hope BW also knows that they are playin with our hearts (people who play RPG games for the Story line)

They cannot play with my heart. It's a game after all. I will never trust them again though. One such lie is enough.

[implodinggoat]

Boss.  Really looking forward to this one.

On a side note, anybody else think it looks a lot like Liara is a squadmate in this pic?  I mention it for two reasons...

A:  The obvious fact that it looks like a shot of a 3 person squad and...
B:  More intriguingly, she has an M-5 Phalanx pistol on her hip. Which is very owierd if she's not a squadmate since only squadmates are ever seen wielding more than one weapon and even wierder since she's wielding a weapon which is added through the Firepower pack DLC and presumably wouldn't be a weapon the Bioware team would have her equipped with by default since the player wouldn't necessarily have the file for it downloaded.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 23 août 2010 - 07:31 .

[ifander]

JJ Long wrote...

ifander wrote...

To be fair, those complaining about the Liara romance requiring DLC have a point. The problem is not BioWare charging for DLC, the problem is that the Liara romance costs extra. In my mind content like this should be included in the game, or made available through Cerberus Network. It's a difficult definition, but look at it this way: when you were playing ME1 and chose to romance Kaidan, Ashley or Liara, were you expecting to have to pay extra to be able to continue that romance in ME2? I sure as hell weren't, and neither was anyone else I imagine.


I don't mind paying for DLC, I've bought all but the Appearance Pack and the Equlizer Pack. BioWare should be paid for their work, no doubt about it, but when things which should be included in the game aren't, and are later made available for a premium then something's wrong. I'm not saying Kasumi or Overlord fall under that category, but the Kaidan/Ashley/Liara romances do.

Again, you have no idea what continuing your relationship with Liara will entail in this DLC.  It may not even be full on romantic continuation like you are assuming.
Continuing relationship could mean just simply spending time with her during the missions and interacting with her.

You have a point there. However I find it more probable that it means romance rather than being able to simply meet her whenever (which you can already do).

[Eckoman2857]

ifander wrote...

To be fair, those complaining about the Liara romance requiring DLC have a point. The problem is not BioWare charging for DLC, the problem is that the Liara romance costs extra. In my mind content like this should be included in the game, or made available through Cerberus Network. It's a difficult definition, but look at it this way: when you were playing ME1 and chose to romance Kaidan, Ashley or Liara, were you expecting to have to pay extra to be able to continue that romance in ME2? I sure as hell weren't, and neither was anyone else I imagine.


I don't mind paying for DLC, I've bought all but the Appearance Pack and the Equlizer Pack. BioWare should be paid for their work, no doubt about it, but when things which should be included in the game aren't, and are later made available for a premium then something's wrong. I'm not saying Kasumi or Overlord fall under that category, but the Kaidan/Ashley/Liara romances do.

True, but Bioware may have felt that the romance was what they wanted it to be in ME2 (albeit very little). And then when they were met with backlash post-launch, they decided to tweak it through DLC. Like I said in response to Mystranna, we don't know the design process behind any of this. It could have originally been part of the package but was latter shuffled off as DLC.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

JJ Long wrote...
You just make assumptions simply because you are upset because it is not free and because you felt the reunion with Liara did not fit with your ideals of what it should have been like.

Your anger is based on assumptions and has no ground to stand on at the moment.

I do not make assumptions because I'm upset. I make assumptions based on the evidence and attitudes presented. I have quite a bit of ground to stand on.

And to all the weirdoes who are trying to twist my argument into a stance of "They should have delayed ME2 7 months"... No. Just no.

That is not my argument. My argument is that they should not make the in-game content horrible just to try and lure you into spending more money on DLC to fix said horrible content.