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[MajesticJazz]

Malevolence65 wrote...

Can we get confirmation on whether this is pre or post-suicide mission? That actually has a bearing on when I do my next play through.

I would have to guess that this is pre-suicide mission. Why? Well if this was post suicide then I believe Bioware would have let that be known already that this is the start of the new "bridge gap" DLC and such. Because of Bioware's silence, I can only assume that this is pre-suicide just like Overlord.

Again though, I am liking the new look of Liara. I'm not talking about uniform, I'm talking about her face/makeup. She looks more mature and more like a woman and not some young dizzy girl.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

DIrishB wrote...
I accused you of playing the victim, not being one.  There's a difference--which I feel is important to point out, since apparently we're resorting to insulting each other's intelligence.  And true observers are silent...which you certainly aren't.

But, just to make it clear, I understand very well whats going on here:  you're desperate for attention.  You're always one of the most out-spoken complainers.  And thats your right, its also just tiring.  For someone who claims to be a realist, your cynical nature betrays you.  My God, I still remember the big stink you helped start concerning the "canon" Shepard in the ME comic awhile back.  All your worries and complaints about that really panned out, huh?  Though the comic sucked, you're cynical assumptions about Bioware "canonizing" Shepard were way off the mark.

The basis of your argument is that the Liara romance content should have been included in the actual ME2 game, not just as DLC.  Here's why that didn't happen:

Liara wasn't in ME2 as a squadmate for a reason (other than just being reserved for this DLC...see, I knew your cynical mind would jump right to that).  The reason is solely so that she couldn't or wouldn't take part in the suicide mission which made up ME2's plot, thus leaving her absolutely alive and well at the end of ME2 so she could appear as a squadmate and/or love interest in ME3.  If she'd been on the crew for the suicide mission and chance was against you (even if you'd completed all Loyalty missions and Normandy upgrades), she could have ended up dead...which would've put a damper on Bioware's plans for her in ME3, and your plans for continuing your love interest with Liara post-ME2.

The reasoning is there and logic is there, so why don't you understand this?  Granted...the execution and final product was admittedly disappointing in comparison to ME1, but I understand Bioware's decision to keep Liara in the background for ME2 so as to guarantee her a spot in ME3.

Garrus and Tali are crew members in ME2, but they weren't potential Love Interests in ME2, so there's no "carry-over" the developers have to worry about like with Liara.

A) I'm not playing a victim. I'm pointing out flaws as I see them and calling them into question.

Where does it say that a "true observer" is silent? XD Just because I voice my observations I'm automatically not an observer? You have an interesting definition of observer.

C) Actually, I very rarely post in the forums anymore. Every once in a while I will venture in andmake a statement, maybe participate in a debate or discussion. It's easiest to debate things with which you find fault, and I'm not afraid to make my opinions known. My opinions and thoughts on canonizing a Shepard are valid. Back in the comic announcement topic I was voicing concerns about a distinct possibility. I never said canonizing was definitely what the comic was going to do. I was explaining why such a thing would have been a bad idea, and I stand by that wholeheartedly.

D) The fact that you think I'm desperate for attention is hilarious. You thought I was insulting your intelligence before? Well, this comment of yours proves without a shred of doubt that you have no idea what is going on. XD
Sorry if that offends you, but, seriously.

E) Oh, okay, so Liara doesn't have any romance content in ME2 because she's not on the squad. She doesn't talk about her relationship with Shepard at all because the devs want to keep her alive for ME3. Yep, that makes perfect sense.

Wait, what?! That doesn't make any sense at all! "Keeping her in the background" because she's not a squaddy is completely different from ignoring her altogether and making her a gigantic out-of-character hole in the plot.

[1337_SNiP3R_D00d_96]

Liara DLC will only be good when there is a lot of shooting because when there is only talk it will be boring I want to snipe!!!1 lol!!



also it woould be kewl if ther was a sex scen with liara like with miranda cuz with miranda it was totaly hot!!!!!! in the anouncemtnt is said that shepard can cntinue the relatinship with liara but it only makes sence when there is some hot scene!!!!!!1!!!1

[Sigilius]

As for the Pre/Post Suicide Mission issue, I believe it would have to be Post Suicide. Liara has to introduce her conflict with the Broker in the main campaign, and her planet isn't even unlocked until after Horizon, some 50% ingame. Not to mention that she is now a confirmed LI in Mass Effect 2 (if only through this DLC) and all romantic relationships are really developed towards the end of the game. I don't think BioWare wants to give players a chance to romance Liara at any given point in the campaign, because playing the DLC means romancing her near the end, I'm sure of it. It's not Overlord and Firewalker, you can't just jump in. Something this large and potentially romantic in nature would interfere with the plot of the main storyline. It makes perfect sense as a side-objective, something Shepard would actually do after defeating the Collectors. Besides, you can't romance two people in Mass Effect. That's proven. There can be no potential for players to romance Liara early on, then Miranda prior to the Mission. Likewise, afterward, romantic content would be impossible (lest they integrate a cheating confrontation scene) if the player has already chosen another. Therefore, this mission would most likely be Post-Suicide, if we follow this logic.

EDIT: I'm not going to even acknowledge the above post.

Modifié par Sigilius, 23 août 2010 - 10:19 .

[Nerevar-as]

Malevolence65 wrote...

Can we get confirmation on whether this is pre or post-suicide mission? That actually has a bearing on when I do my next play through.

Save for the first one, I have stopped all playthroughs leaving only Tali´s loyalty (take Legion) and get Reaper IFF until I know there will be no more preSM DLCs.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 23 août 2010 - 10:21 .

[PHub88]

Hm ya know what....3 squadmates WOULD be a super cool addition for this...It would make sense for Tali Garrus and Liara all teaming up with our Shepard to fight...just make the battles a little harder so its not too easy for us to own them...yeah...I hope its like that...but I doubt it.

[DIrishB]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

A) I'm not playing a victim. I'm pointing out flaws as I see them and calling them into question.

Ok.

Where does it say that a "true observer" is silent? XD Just because I voice my observations I'm automatically not an observer? You have an interesting definition of observer.

By definition, an observer observes... An observer who observes and then negatively comments on everything is probably better classified as a whiner.

C) Actually, I very rarely post in the forums anymore. Every once in a while I will venture in andmake a statement, maybe participate in a debate or discussion. It's easiest to debate things with which you find fault, and I'm not afraid to make my opinions known. My opinions and thoughts on canonizing a Shepard are valid. Back in the comic announcement topic I was voicing concerns about a distinct possibility. I never said canonizing was definitely what the comic was going to do. I was explaining why such a thing would have been a bad idea, and I stand by that wholeheartedly.

I agree with you on that, and actually am interested in your opinion on how Shep should be handled in a Mass Effect movie (or if he/she should appear at all, ie, making it about the First Contact War as opposed to using ME1's plot). 

D) The fact that you think I'm desperate for attention is hilarious. You thought I was insulting your intelligence before? Well, this comment of yours proves without a shred of doubt that you have no idea what is going on. XD
Sorry if that offends you, but, seriously.

You accused me of not understanding a very simple debate...I'd call that an insult to someone's intelligence as long as they're not a gibbering idiot, which I think neither of us are, hence me not resorting to underhanded rebukes.

E) Oh, okay, so Liara doesn't have any romance content in ME2 because she's not on the squad. She doesn't talk about her relationship with Shepard at all because the devs want to keep her alive for ME3. Yep, that makes perfect sense.

That you have a point with.  But again, its pretty easy to figure out the developers were holding off on ANYTHING love interest related regarding Liara specifically so as not to step on the toes of what the DLC team was doing with this pack.  It could have been handled much better, but it wasn't.  Not much can be done about that now.

Wait, what?! That doesn't make any sense at all! "Keeping her in the background" because she's not a squaddy is completely different from ignoring her altogether and making her a gigantic out-of-character hole in the plot.

Man, you do like the hyperbole. 

[McAllyster]

Any news about Central European release?

[Shadow_broker]

Will I be able to scrog Liara without hurting my romance with Miranda? Or can i just scrog them at the same time, plz reply bioware this has been on my mind for ages

[Laverty317]

The day I start grade 12, **** you Bioware lmao

[Mystranna Kelteel]

DIrishB wrote...
By definition, an observer observes... An observer who observes and then negatively comments on everything is probably better classified as a whiner.

A whiner is usually classified as someone who complains in a way as to imply they should be pitied. I am observing and then telling what I observe. The telling of my observations does not negate that fact that I was observing, and hence an observer.

I agree with you on that, and actually am interested in your opinion on how Shep should be handled in a Mass Effect movie (or if he/she should appear at all, ie, making it about the First Contact War as opposed to using ME1's plot).

Most videogame movies are a mockery. If BioWare wants to make a movie that ties directly into the games then they should avoid Shepard like the plague.

But if they want to do a cash grab with a Shepard in it that would be fine. In fact it would probably be hilarious. The thing about a ME movie is that it will not likely be canon to the games. It will most likely be a "retelling" of the games, and in which case would be like any other bad videogame movie, so they can use Shepard if they want and it won't bother me.

That you have a point with.  But again, its pretty easy to figure out the developers were holding off on ANYTHING love interest related regarding Liara specifically so as not to step on the toes of what the DLC team was doing with this pack.  It could have been handled much better, but it wasn't.  Not much can be done about that now.

It can be called into question, as I am doing. If they knew the romance would be handled in a DLC then my claims are pretty much dead on, meaning they sacrificed or ignored the quality of the main game so they can profit when the DLC drops.

Man, you do like the hyperbole.

Sometimes. Calling Liara a bit of a plot hole is not hyperbole imo. When two people are in a romantic relationship, and one of them risks her life to retrieve the other's dead body (which is in turn brought to life) then I expect to be able to talk about the relationship. Being forced to ignore the fact that my Shepard was in a relationship with this woman is a plot hole, as no sane person would do that. That goes for both Liara and Shepard. And Liara's little comment that she can't talk because she's under surveillance is a complete plot device copout. She can't talk to Shepard about their relationship because the Shadow Broker is listening in, but she can flat-out say that she's going to find and kill the Broker? lolwut

[casedawgz]

DIrishB wrote...


By definition, an observer observes... An observer who observes and then negatively comments on everything is probably better classified as a whiner.

 

You pretty much just won the thread.

[atheelogos]

its about time we got a release date. Thanks Chris : )

[NewFoundTerror]

I can't wait I'm so excited.

[TelexFerra]

T-minus fifteen days

[PROKNIFER69]

One word ... YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Khel Burrem]

Awesome news!!! FIVE achievements?!?! Just finished my insanity run and got full gamerscore, and was hoping for some more achievements, but damn, this is too good to be true!!

[JustValiant]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

DIrishB wrote...
By definition, an observer observes... An observer who observes and then negatively comments on everything is probably better classified as a whiner.

A whiner is usually classified as someone who complains in a way as to imply they should be pitied. I am observing and then telling what I observe. The telling of my observations does not negate that fact that I was observing, and hence an observer.

I agree with you on that, and actually am interested in your opinion on how Shep should be handled in a Mass Effect movie (or if he/she should appear at all, ie, making it about the First Contact War as opposed to using ME1's plot).

Most videogame movies are a mockery. If BioWare wants to make a movie that ties directly into the games then they should avoid Shepard like the plague.

But if they want to do a cash grab with a Shepard in it that would be fine. In fact it would probably be hilarious. The thing about a ME movie is that it will not likely be canon to the games. It will most likely be a "retelling" of the games, and in which case would be like any other bad videogame movie, so they can use Shepard if they want and it won't bother me.

That you have a point with.  But again, its pretty easy to figure out the developers were holding off on ANYTHING love interest related regarding Liara specifically so as not to step on the toes of what the DLC team was doing with this pack.  It could have been handled much better, but it wasn't.  Not much can be done about that now.

It can be called into question, as I am doing. If they knew the romance would be handled in a DLC then my claims are pretty much dead on, meaning they sacrificed or ignored the quality of the main game so they can profit when the DLC drops.

Man, you do like the hyperbole.

Sometimes. Calling Liara a bit of a plot hole is not hyperbole imo. When two people are in a romantic relationship, and one of them risks her life to retrieve the other's dead body (which is in turn brought to life) then I expect to be able to talk about the relationship. Being forced to ignore the fact that my Shepard was in a relationship with this woman is a plot hole, as no sane person would do that. That goes for both Liara and Shepard. And Liara's little comment that she can't talk because she's under surveillance is a complete plot device copout. She can't talk to Shepard about their relationship because the Shadow Broker is listening in, but she can flat-out say that she's going to find and kill the Broker? lolwut

Exactly my thoughts as well concerning the movie as well as Liara. All the Shepard casting rumours annoy me. The only  thing I can imagine would work  would be a plot which plays either parallel to the game plot or at a totally different date.

And the dialogue between the two bondmates Shepard and Liara was implausible to say the least except that asari have a totally different emotional pattern related to their long lifespan.

[DIrishB]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

A whiner is usually classified as someone who complains in a way as to imply they should be pitied. I am observing and then telling what I observe. The telling of my observations does not negate that fact that I was observing, and hence an observer.

"A whiner is usually classified as someone who complains in a way as to imply they should be pitied."

Can you not see why I applied it?

Sometimes. Calling Liara a bit of a plot hole is not hyperbole imo. When two people are in a romantic relationship, and one of them risks her life to retrieve the other's dead body (which is in turn brought to life) then I expect to be able to talk about the relationship. Being forced to ignore the fact that my Shepard was in a relationship with this woman is a plot hole, as no sane person would do that. That goes for both Liara and Shepard. And Liara's little comment that she can't talk because she's under surveillance is a complete plot device copout. She can't talk to Shepard about their relationship because the Shadow Broker is listening in, but she can flat-out say that she's going to find and kill the Broker? lolwut

Again, not arguing with you about that, since I agree completely in this case.

[Zack56]

[IntrepidProdigy]

Nice! The update we've all been waiting for. Way to ease the tension and my worries about you guys, Chris, and good to know it's coming out soon.

Modifié par IntrepidProdigy, 23 août 2010 - 10:50 .

[Mich-cz]

The real question is - will I be able to download it and buy it with my Central Europe version of the game?
(I don't care if I get czech-english languaguage during some parts of module I simply want to buy it).

Now that I know there is possible romance with Liara I would be very unhappy if I couldn't make her my love interest number one in game save waiting for import to ME3.

[Shadow_broker]

Zack56 wrote...

What is that spos to mean?

[Shadow_broker]

Mich-cz wrote...

The real question is - will I be able to download it and buy it with my Central Europe version of the game?
(I don't care if I get czech-english languaguage during some parts of module I simply want to buy it).

Now that I know there is possible romance with Liara I would be very unhappy if I couldn't make her my love interest number one in game save waiting for import to ME3.

NO!
This our payment for saving your hides in WW2, God bless America

[Mystranna Kelteel]

DIrishB wrote...
"A whiner is usually classified as someone who complains in a way as to imply they should be pitied."

Can you not see why I applied it?

I have never said or itnentionally implied that I should be pitied.  Why would I want pity?

If I was truly and deeply, deeply offended I would simply not buy the DLC, and thus have no reason to be pitied. If I buy the DLC it will be my decision, and at best it would be done grudgingly.

That doesn't mean I can't point out why I think this is underhanded and lacking integrity.