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LordMarrick wrote...

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Furtheremore Kelly is a stripper/lap dancer therefore its not cheating since the so called sex scene is none existant its a cuddle scene and cuddling is not cheating and as we all know if theres no scene or official comic book/series to confurm it then it never happened no youre LORE dammit 



 Posted ImageWhere on earth do I come up with such stuff is beyond me.........bet hey im allways right and never wrong

damm it and i thought my lore was good u are a cocky git like maranda


Posted Image why are you so mean butterface miranda is poo poo advance for a human my ass the only reason I keep her in the team is because of the priiiiize

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and that would be? she can go die in SM but i always upgade

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XGCFriedchicken wrote...

Mubar wrote...

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I hope the people who cheated on Liara feel like **** whe she starts to cry because you were unfaitful and after all she has done for Commander Shepard you mean meany I hope youre proud of you're self now

I bet her tears taste nice,Mmmm tasty insane asari tears *lickz*Posted Image



You meany Udina must like you VEERY much

PROKNIFER69 & Udina sitin in a tree K-I-S-S-I-N-G...........and thats ho much I know of the song  


Now theres an idea. I smell an Udina romance!


Udina will have an heart attack.............Then we wont have a crazy human diplomat lol.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

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Make-up, lenses and dress are only supperficial differences that are nowhere near as large as you make them sound to be. Not to mention that having Liara go into combat with her Illium dress on would simply look goofy. Different dresses and mke-up accentuate different aspects of a person. Darker make-up may hid her frekkles and lighte one expose them, leathry suit or armor will change the parts of her shape that stick out......you can see this in every day humans too......sometimes people just want a new look and you are surprised but ultimately guess what happens? You get used to it and life moves on. Not to mention that people simply don't dress the same for business as they do for combat and the difference is major but only superficial.


Misses the point completely...

The fact that makeup can alter her appearance in whatever fashion, or that contact lenses can be used to explain the difference in her eye colour is completely redundant and irrelevant. Regardless of your attempts to rationalise it away, her character model looks significantly different. Any attempts to explain it are completely unnecessary, as Liara's model used in this DLC is clearly the updated model to be used in ME2, and will replace what is used for her reunion scenes on Illium. Stop attempting to look at it from a rational, IRL perspective and try to do so from that of a video game design perspective. In that respect, it is obvious and a virtual certainty that Liara's character model included on the retail version of ME2 will be replaced by the newer, updated version.

Attempt to rationalise it away using real life appearance change comparisons, but Liara looks completely different and real life logic does not apply. Her character model looks completely different, and this will be reflected accordingly when her ME2 model is replaced.


If you need something to plaster over that continuity gap, consider this: Liara knew she was a child by Asari standards, and she knew she looked it (WE know she looked it, I could pinch her cheek and it'd be like pinching the cheeks of a 15 yr-old girl's).

In order to be a *successful* information broker, she would need to look the part instead of looking like a child. A more mature, seductive look would serve her in that way. So it's not a big stretch to assume that she had her eye color tweaked and started using makeup in order to hide her age and girlishness (and, like I said, present a more intimidating, seductive image). 

Other than makeup and eye color, there's not much there that can't be explained by aging, health, loss of weight or stress. So I don't see why you're so concerned, even if the original model is replaced.

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With an updated character model and what looks like parts of Ilium destroyed in the screenshots, I would guess that the original model stays and the DLC is post-SM only. And after you start her new mission and pick her up she will have the updated look to show time has passed since you did her original mission and her office will be attacked and destroyed and closed off so she will be at the new Intel Center whether its at an entirely new location or on the Normandy.

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Quaay wrote...

With an updated character model and what looks like parts of Ilium destroyed in the screenshots, I would guess that the original model stays and the DLC is post-SM only. And after you start her new mission and pick her up she will have the updated look to show time has passed since you did her original mission and her office will be attacked and destroyed and closed off so she will be at the new Intel Center whether its at an entirely new location or on the Normandy.


i like the way you think

a few 'splosions is always good

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Intel center, on the Normandy?



Unless they converted part of the shuttle/hammerhead for it, I find that unlikely. :S

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Mr. MannlyMan wrote...
If you need something to plaster over that continuity gap, consider this: Liara knew she was a child by Asari standards, and she knew she looked it (WE know she looked it, I could pinch her cheek and it'd be like pinching the cheeks of a 15 yr-old girl's).

In order to be a *successful* information broker, she would need to look the part instead of looking like a child. A more mature, seductive look would serve her in that way. So it's not a big stretch to assume that she had her eye color tweaked and started using makeup in order to hide her age and girlishness (and, like I said, present a more intimidating, seductive image). 

Other than makeup and eye color, there's not much there that can't be explained by aging, health, loss of weight or stress. So I don't see why you're so concerned, even if the original model is replaced.


Again, you're missing the point completely. That's great, you're able to rationalise the difference in her appearance using believeable reasons and assumptions. Good. However, all of this is completely and utterly redundant. From a meta and game design perspective, her character model in the retail version of the game is completely different to that of the DLC. Regardless of attempts to explain using in-universe of lore reasons, from a meta perspective it is significantly different. Considering this, her default character model included in the retail version of the game will have to be replaced in order to conform to her appearance in the DLC. The difference between the two is far too substantial, and would be incredibly jarring to prospective players. Additionally, two different and unique character models for one character is extremely inefficient.

Furthermore, I don't know where you've got the impression that I dislike her new character model, or am adverse to it. I happen to love her new character design, and think she looks incredible. It's a believeable progression of her physical appearance, considering the extent of which she has suffering emotionally during the two years prior to the events of ME2. I'm just explaining the reasons as to why her character model featured in the retail version of the game will be replaced, that's all.

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I want her to be in the captains quaters working on the desk there or on the sofa or on the bed half nake............u-hum don read the last part and I want an option to cudle my femShep needs comfort and Kelly somehow doesnt have dialog option after I have been nice to her i dunno happens sometimes

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Anyways, I think I'm gonna stop. I don't want to derail this thread or drag it off topic, especially considering the fact that Priestly closed the previous thread. :unsure:

Apologies.

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can anyone speculate on when we might see a tralier for this

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Mubar wrote...

I want her to be in the captains quaters working on the desk there or on the sofa or on the bed half nake............u-hum don read the last part and I want an option to cudle my femShep needs comfort and Kelly somehow doesnt have dialog option after I have been nice to her i dunno happens sometimes


i know there are people out there that want her in the captains quaters but we do have an empty hangerbay

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The changes made to Liara thru ME1, ME2 and the DLC could point to her turning evil. I think the biggest clue was her saying, "Have you ever faced an Asari commando unit before?"



She's turning into her mother!

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Mr. MannlyMan wrote...
If you need something to plaster over that continuity gap, consider this: Liara knew she was a child by Asari standards, and she knew she looked it (WE know she looked it, I could pinch her cheek and it'd be like pinching the cheeks of a 15 yr-old girl's).

In order to be a *successful* information broker, she would need to look the part instead of looking like a child. A more mature, seductive look would serve her in that way. So it's not a big stretch to assume that she had her eye color tweaked and started using makeup in order to hide her age and girlishness (and, like I said, present a more intimidating, seductive image). 

Other than makeup and eye color, there's not much there that can't be explained by aging, health, loss of weight or stress. So I don't see why you're so concerned, even if the original model is replaced.


Because the Joker from Batman is so intimadating.And dont get me wrong but looks  can in no way tell you what a person is capable of .

Reason for the new Liara model shes ****ing stressed.Shes hunted the thing down for two years, two years of being alone and depresed that the woman/man she loves is gone and she doesnt even know if they'll come back and if they do will they remember Posted Image so stop ****in about it allready when the SB is dead and ME3 is out shell once again turn into the sweet inocent asari scientist that we all know and love from ME1 



I dont want to contradict myself but does her face look a little diferent I mean the structure or am I seeing thing again Posted Image 

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hamtyl07 wrote...

can anyone speculate on when we might see a tralier for this


next week :whistle:

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i not gonna comment again untill more news hits but i will monitar the forum but.........

The Shadow Broker is Sonic The hedeghog

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Yannkee wrote...

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can anyone speculate on when we might see a tralier for this


next week :whistle:



....... i hope

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Anyways, I think I'm gonna stop. I don't want to derail this thread or drag it off topic, especially considering the fact that Priestly closed the previous thread. :unsure:

Apologies.


The thread is in no way derailed just look at the last one this one is far more civilazed Posted Image and if its locked well just go to a Tali love thread and start a flamewar Posted Image thats what i did anyway

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Quaay wrote...

With an updated character model and what looks like parts of Ilium destroyed in the screenshots, I would guess that the original model stays and the DLC is post-SM only. And after you start her new mission and pick her up she will have the updated look to show time has passed since you did her original mission and her office will be attacked and destroyed and closed off so she will be at the new Intel Center whether its at an entirely new location or on the Normandy.


This is plausible.  They may want to show she's become more stressed over the hunt, as her face is thinner.

I can see the Intel Center being on another planet, but not the Normandy.  Unless they add another level to the ship and have her set up  the center there.  I'm sure EDI could be very helpful in Liara's attempts to analyze the SB's recovered data caches, so having it on the Normandy would be a good idea.

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Yannkee wrote...

hamtyl07 wrote...

can anyone speculate on when we might see a tralier for this


next week :whistle:


My money's on PAX, to be honest.

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Come to think of it, there is the possibility that, due to the fact that the DLC is likely to be set post-suicide mission, the intention is that Liara's new character model is a conscious design choice to illustrate how her extensive guilt, grief, suffering and stress has affected her physical appearance to an even greater degree at the time of the DLC mission content. It could be an intentional artistic direction in order to illustrate the extent of her suffering.



I still think that the differences in the two character models is incredibly jarring, but it's possible.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Come to think of it, there is the possibility that, due to the fact that the DLC is likely to be set post-suicide mission, the intention is that Liara's new character model is a conscious design choice to illustrate how her extensive guilt, grief, suffering and stress has affected her physical appearance to an even greater degree at the time of the DLC mission content. It could be an intentional artistic direction in order to illustrate the extent of her suffering.

I still think that the differences in the two character models is incredibly jarring, but it's possible.

I still think she looks diffrent because she is coming close to becoming a matron and looking more like her mother, a healthy version of her.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Come to think of it, there is the possibility that, due to the fact that the DLC is likely to be set post-suicide mission, the intention is that Liara's new character model is a conscious design choice to illustrate how her extensive guilt, grief, suffering and stress has affected her physical appearance to an even greater degree at the time of the DLC mission content. It could be an intentional artistic direction in order to illustrate the extent of her suffering.

I still think that the differences in the two character models is incredibly jarring, but it's possible.


Im just going to laugh If after all this she goes back to her llium office and uses the same dialogue like nothing happened lmao. She has had 3 different models so far. I wonder if the 3rd model is just for the dlc or will replace the 2nd one.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Come to think of it, there is the possibility that, due to the fact that the DLC is likely to be set post-suicide mission, the intention is that Liara's new character model is a conscious design choice to illustrate how her extensive guilt, grief, suffering and stress has affected her physical appearance to an even greater degree at the time of the DLC mission content. It could be an intentional artistic direction in order to illustrate the extent of her suffering.

I still think that the differences in the two character models is incredibly jarring, but it's possible.

I still think she looks diffrent because she is coming close to becoming a matron and looking more like her mother, a healthy version of her.


Not just healthier, but younger.  I can see the resemblence between the two more now, that's for sure. 

I really don't think Liara is far from her matron stage, as I feel she will choose to enter it early for some reason.  This reason may not be just to have children, but there may be other advantages of being a Matron over a Maiden...perhaps she's now more focused and her biotics improve?  Perhaps she would gain more respect in asari society?  Etc...

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jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Come to think of it, there is the possibility that, due to the fact that the DLC is likely to be set post-suicide mission, the intention is that Liara's new character model is a conscious design choice to illustrate how her extensive guilt, grief, suffering and stress has affected her physical appearance to an even greater degree at the time of the DLC mission content. It could be an intentional artistic direction in order to illustrate the extent of her suffering.

I still think that the differences in the two character models is incredibly jarring, but it's possible.

I still think she looks diffrent because she is coming close to becoming a matron and looking more like her mother, a healthy version of her.


Not just healthier, but younger.  I can see the resemblence between the two more now, that's for sure. 

I really don't think Liara is far from her matron stage, as I feel she will choose to enter it early for some reason.  This reason may not be just to have children, but there may be other advantages of being a Matron over a Maiden...perhaps she's now more focused and her biotics improve?  Perhaps she would gain more respect in asari society?  Etc...

Plus if her intentions are to become the new SB it would explain why she wants to be a matron more quickly.  If a maidan was a SB, no one would take it seruily(sp) but if a matron is, she will be able to command respect. 
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